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E3 Needs to Grow Up

Despite a growing call for change, the organizers of E3 have no plans to address the booth babe issue at the industry's biggest show.

I'm sure these women are well versed in the talking points for Namco Bandai's upcoming fighting game.
I'm sure these women are well versed in the talking points for Namco Bandai's upcoming fighting game.

There’s been no shortage of discussion about women and video games this past week.

The conversation’s been driven by the gross response to Anita Sarkeesian’s nearly finished Kickstarter about the unfortunate and exclusionary tropes of female video game characters, and the quickly scrutinized comments from a producer on Tomb Raider about a potential rape scene (a description the studio has walked back) in the new game.

These are all good, uncomfortable conversations to have, but if we're talking about the depiction of women in games at such a serious level, how do we still have E3 booth babes? Other than for easy hits in web galleries, anyway.

The commonly referred to booth babe (also known as a "woman") is hired solely to wear skimpy clothing with a game or company’s logo and take photographs with attendees (who does that, by the way?). Typically, they are not well versed in the product they are hired to represent.

It seemed like a good time to check in with the Entertainment Software Association, who manages E3.

Despite some of the recent heated conversation, there are no plans to shift E3 policies.

"Exhibitors determine for themselves what is the best representation for their companies. Models are welcome if companies would like to have them, but that's an individual exhibitor decision,” said ESA VP of media relations and event management Dan Hewitt in an emailed statement to me yesterday.

Ghost Recon Commander designer Brenda Brathwaite sparked a vocal debate on Twitter over booth babes before she headed to the E3 show floor last Thursday.

“I dread heading off to work at E3 today,” she said. “The show is a constant assault on the female self esteem no matter which direction I look. I am in good shape, yet it is impossible not to compare. I feel uncomfortable. It is as if I walked into a strip club w/o intending to. These are the policies of @e3expo and @RichatESA. I feel uncomfortable in an industry I helped found.”

Her comments found plenty of support, such as Inside Network managing editor AJ Glasser.

@br The worst is when I get so good at seeing right through it that I forget they're actually women underneath the barely-there clothes.

— AJ Glasser (@Joygirl007) June 7, 2012

It’s not a new critique, but it was louder this year, and there seems to be a growing desire for change.

There was also the usual “what’s the big deal?” responses, including 3D Realms co-founder George Broussard.

@br I think you/others take it too seriously. It's not some academic event. It's a glitz show full of spectacle. #serious_business

— George Broussard (@georgeb3dr) June 7, 2012

It’s been a few years, but the ESA policy on booth babes has changed from E3's inception. The last major shift came in 2006, as new penalties, fines and policies were introduced regarding women featured in E3 exhibits.

"What's new in 2006 is an update and clarification of the enforcement policies; as we do from time to time, we have taken steps to ensure that exhibitors are familiar with the policy and how it will be enforced," said E3 show director Mary Dolaher to Reuters at the time.

A violation of the clothing policy would result in, at first, a warning, and then a $5,000 fine. Here’s what the handbook from 2006 said to exhibitors considering booth babes--er, sorry, live models:

"Material, including live models, conduct that is sexually explicit and/or sexually provocative, including but not limited to nudity, partial nudity and bathing suit bottoms, are prohibited on the show floor, all common areas, and at any access points to the show."

Hewitt told me there have been no changes to ESA policy since 2006.

Maybe there should be. Consider this anecdote that didn’t even take place on the show floor itself.

This was one of the first results the search term
This was one of the first results the search term "Devil May Cry strippers" gave me, sorry.

We arrived to our Capcom appointment, I plunked down with Lost Planet 3, and Alex Navarro was ushered over to play Devil May Cry. In a room of kiosks, there were pole dancers. It’s unclear what that has to do with Devil May Cry. The girl hired to skimpily waltz around was sitting on the floor, looking bored. Everyone in the room is focused on playing the game, and Alex wasn't playing Devil May Cry in a see-through bubble. No one on the show floor could see this room. Can someone explain how this helps anyone do their job?

Elsewhere, I refused to play any 3DS games at Nintendo’s booth because the company didn’t have a table with machines, and instead tethered its lineup to attractive women. I let that gimmick slide when Nintendo pulled the same trick at the original 3DS unveiling, but I’ll just wait until those games are out now, thanks.

Nintendo probably thought it was a cute idea. I doubt (and this is my sincere hope) Nintendo meant to undermine the credibility of women at gaming’s biggest show. It's still ignorance. Many of the issues regarding women and E3 aren’t overtly offensive, and can be easily rationalized by those who don’t see a problem.

That’s okay--we should have a debate about it.

And this is all hardly an issue that’s exclusive to games. The same week as E3, the Computex Summit was happening in Taipei, and computer manufacturer ASUS sent out the following tweet:

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That tweet has since been deleted and ASUS released an apology, obviously.

I can gripe all I want, but the most effective solution has to come from the ESA itself. Only the ESA can enforce regulations on exhibitors, and let them know this archaic marketing tool needs to go away. If games are growing up, so does the way we go about advertising them in front of, ostensibly, a bunch of professional. This isn’t 1994.

PAX figured this out years ago, even if there have been incidents along the way (i.e. Lollipop Chainsaw at PAX East).

“Our definition of a ‘booth babe’ has been a model (male or female) that has been hired to stand/sit in skimpy clothing to market the product,” said Penny Arcade president of business development in 2010. “If that person knows the product inside and out then it’s less of an issue. A company representative that can interact with attendees in a way that provides value as opposed to ‘hey stare at my body’ is something that we encourage whether or not that representative is physically attractive or not.”

If E3 is supposed to represent the industry’s best, why can’t it figure out how to respect its own attendees?

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Those booth babes look cheap, and yeah i think the whole idea is silly. 3DS' tethered to attractive women? Dont insult my intelligence like that Ninty, I'm still gonna judge your game based on the merits it has as a game, cuz im pretty sure you gotta pay for the chick separately

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@jakob187 said:

@YukoAsho: /followed

@Salarn said:

Booth babes add nothing to the development of games, developers like her do. Why would someone choose to side against developers who make quality games that are enjoyed by millions over a quick bit of eye candy that has no lasting value?

It's not just her problem, she is just one of the many people who has spoken up against the use of "booth babes", she just put the issue into a personal frame. I walk around the booth babes at E3 and other conventions because they are there to distract from the games, not to sell them.

E3 should not be a 1980s Frat party, it's industry event, it should be about the showcasing of games.

No one's debating that booth babes are ultimately inconsequential to the experience (save perhaps to detract when 3DS units are chained to them. Seriously, WTF, Nintendo?).

However, the developer in question is a grown ass woman and should be able to walk around it the way you do.

Again, it goes right back to the media. If they didn't whine for their return during the 07-09 E3s, if they didn't do booth babe montages, if we didn't have them plastered on the top of articles decrying their presence (nice pic to start the article, ) we wouldn't be having this discussion. This rests solely at the feet of the media and the consumers who both wished for the return of the "old E3."

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@bunnymud said:

Oh jesus...sex sells. As if these girls don't know what they are doing. HEY! What if...follow me on this one...we all stick our pinkeys out when we drink our tea at the next E3? Never go to a car show....you may catch a case of the vapors and faint and thus lose your top hat.

Lol I agree, but I wish it wasn't so prevalent.

But yeah, I don't really go to E3 coverage for the women that have been paid to act as billboards with boobs. I haven't cared about them for...well actually I've never given 2 shits about booth babes, and I don't really think many gamers do either. Publishers think it works, and maybe it does for the people at the show (although I doubt it), but for the majority of people who follow gaming news, the last thing on their mind during E3 are these women.

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This article is ridiculous, how about we talk about the sheer lack of content & new ideas at this years E3, Pat?

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@Milkman said:

@Turambar: That's absurd and you know it. Patrick didn't hire those girls to dance in the video. It was a bunch of friends recording a video. Equating that to E3 is completely and utterly ridiculous. I get that you're trying to prove a point or whatever but it's not working. 

Patrick didn't hire them.  Patrick merely decided the usage of the female form in that fashion was a natural inclusion.  His buddies agreed, and created that depiction.  Marketers decided the usage of the female form in that fashion was a natural (business) choice.  The models agreed because their jobs are built around the acceptance of that need, and boob (now that's a funny typo.  Meant to be boom), booth babes.  Both stem from the acceptance of the usage of the female form for the sake of glitz and attraction.
 
Now, if the video was meant to be a satirical criticism of that said depiction of women in music, then yes, my comparison would be invalid as it would no longer be acceptance of but rather a critique on.  But nothing in the video presents itself as that to me.
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No thanks, I'm not going to actively try to stop a company hiring pretty girls to look pretty because of your misgivings.  
 
The industry at large can 'grow up', or whatever the fuck you want to call it, without becoming concerned with the attire of promotional models at a trade show. It is growing up before our eyes, have you seen video games? They're pretty diverse and amazing; a booth babe isn't going to stop that. Such a silly thing to act ashamed of. 

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Why no mention of Hitman in the article? Seems like games the staff like (SR:3) get a pass on this stuff?

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@RaidenMitsuru said:

This article is ridiculous, how about we talk about the sheer lack of content & new ideas at this years E3, Pat?

Didn't you listen to the bombcast? Only little bitches complain about E3 when it comes to games.

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Hey, I just looked up "doesn't fucking get it" in the dictionary, and I saw about 75% of the Giant Bomb community!

Good article, Patrick. This issue cannot be brought up and talked about enough in my opinion, though I wish most gamers (wait, should I change this to "men"?) weren't quite so thick-skulled. There's a difference between women presenting themselves in an attractive way and their being objectified. When companies (run by men, almost certainly) stick attractive women in skimpy clothes and put them alongside their products for no other purpose than to have them serve as eye candy, that's demeaning and disrespectful. They're playing to the lowest common denominator, and it's pitiful that the industry still panders to the CoD/Madden cocks (both literally and figuratively). It's like going to Cannes and seeing half-naked women presenting the next Harold and Kumar flick.

Oh, and fuck you, George Broussard.

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It's not like they're going out of their way to stop you from doing your job and yet you still insist on going out of your way to stop them from doing theirs.

Grow up.

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Also, probably relevant.

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If companies wanna hire "booth babes" it's their money to lose, and no one should be banning that. You don't have to notice them. And if you're enraged by people who DO interact with them, well that's kinda your problem.

Feminism has outlived the important work the movement did. Now it's become a stagnant beast searching for problems where there are none.

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From the videos I've seen of 3ds previews, the ladies that were tethered to the units were almost all very helpful and obviously trained in the games being demoed to highlight the points that nintendos PR wanted them too. So that example was poor. Also I dont really think it's fair to blame the ESA for allowing this, get mad at the companies who are using the booth babes not them. Personally I dont think they should regulate, but thats just me.

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Sorry Patrick, but I have got to disagree with you. Growing up might not be a great metaphor for the solution to what you perceive as a problem here. That is not the point though, and I won't use that metaphor to make mine.

What you are asking for is mandated censorship. I cannot abide by this. The justification for such wide scale censorship would be what? protect the self esteem of a few women? Meanwhile you deny all of the models finding jobs at these trade shows from being able to keep putting food on the table.

The choice to trample expressive freedoms and economic opportunities to protect the ego of the few is far more disgusting to me than skimpy clothes.

Let those with booths decide how they want to use them. If they choose to use show models then I'm sure some audiences will avoid those areas.

Patrick we both grew up in the capital of the Midwest so i'm sure you might have gone to the Chicago Auto Show, if not let me run a quick background. It also has booth babes of its own sort (no shit, every trade show with a higher male attendee % than female does), though they model with cars instead of video games.

The difference between the two is that the auto industry has figured out that dumb models are by and large useless. These women at the Chicago Auto Show are well versed in their product, offer helpful insights to patrons, and also manage to be aesthetically pleasing.

To me, this seems like a more appropriate way for the industry to "grow up", if you are going to suggest a direction for it at all. For this writer, censorship crosses the line.

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The games industry needs to stop being so self-conscious about how their industry is perceived by those on the outside.

"Booth babes" have been a part of trade shows since forever. Yeah, it's immature, but they use them because it works.

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@TentPole: No, I haven't really listen to it lately. Thanks for the heads up.

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@Sharpless said:

Hey, I just looked up "doesn't fucking get it" in the dictionary, and I saw about 75% of the Giant Bomb community!

Good article, Patrick. This issue cannot be brought up and talked about enough in my opinion, though I wish most gamers (wait, should I change this to "men"?) weren't quite so thick-skulled. There's a difference between women presenting themselves in an attractive way and their being objectified. When companies (run by men, almost certainly) stick attractive women in skimpy clothes and put them alongside their products for no other purpose than to have them serve as eye candy, that's demeaning and disrespectful. They're playing to the lowest common denominator, and it's pitiful that the industry still panders to the CoD/Madden cocks (both literally and figuratively). It's like going to Cannes and seeing half-naked women presenting the next Harold and Kumar flick.

Oh, and fuck you, George Broussard.

Are these women slaves? Are they brainwashed? They are models working for money. I think you're being disrespectful by very negatively portraying the work that they do, as if it's somehow inappropriate and they are bad people for doing it...

How is it demeaning and disrespectful to notice that a person is attractive?

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@Turambar: How far does your insanity have to go before you take a break from the internet?

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@YukoAsho said:

No one's debating that booth babes are ultimately inconsequential to the experience (save perhaps to detract when 3DS units are chained to them. Seriously, WTF, Nintendo?).

If nobody is debating that booth babes are inconsequential to E3 or even a negative influence, why are people arguing to keep them?

Fewer booth babes is win/win, the show is more welcoming to developers and everyone can focus more on the games.

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To the people who keep saying that the use of booth babes is "insulting" to their intelligence because these companies think they'll actually work. Well why do you give a shit what they think? If you're above it, then great, you're cool. Move on and enjoy the show. Why get so hung up on a marketing scheme if it's just going to distract you from the games? You're playing right into their hands by letting them affect you at all.

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@Snipzor:

It always seems like there isn`t as much until you hit up 4chan, rule 34 or fanfiction.net, etc...

I was just saying that the exploitation of men is completely glossed over in the media while the feminine side gets all the attention. Patrick even just completely skirts by this after that DMC fanart in the article.

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Don't a lot of 3DS games require you to move the 3DS around? How does that work?

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Looks like Scoopz has run out of scoops. :(

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@dr_mantas said:

@Sharpless said:

Hey, I just looked up "doesn't fucking get it" in the dictionary, and I saw about 75% of the Giant Bomb community!

Good article, Patrick. This issue cannot be brought up and talked about enough in my opinion, though I wish most gamers (wait, should I change this to "men"?) weren't quite so thick-skulled. There's a difference between women presenting themselves in an attractive way and their being objectified. When companies (run by men, almost certainly) stick attractive women in skimpy clothes and put them alongside their products for no other purpose than to have them serve as eye candy, that's demeaning and disrespectful. They're playing to the lowest common denominator, and it's pitiful that the industry still panders to the CoD/Madden cocks (both literally and figuratively). It's like going to Cannes and seeing half-naked women presenting the next Harold and Kumar flick.

Oh, and fuck you, George Broussard.

Are these women slaves? Are they brainwashed? They are models working for money. I think you're being disrespectful by very negatively portraying the work that they do, as if it's somehow inappropriate and they are bad people for doing it...

How is it demeaning and disrespectful to notice that a person is attractive?

Noticing is one thing, ogling is another, doing so loudly and proudly towards a woman you don't even know who's just minding her own business and doesn't have time for creeps to stare at her nonstop... unrelated to the booth babes of course, it's their job to be the eye candy away from the product they are representing... wait, what?

Also, I love the 'NO U' in your post, very hilarious. Just as hilarious as the time where you missed the entire point (Along with a shitload of people posting) of the entire critique in the article. But the best part though, of all of this, is how defensive and outraged people are getting over this critique.

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@dr_mantas said:

@Sharpless said:

Hey, I just looked up "doesn't fucking get it" in the dictionary, and I saw about 75% of the Giant Bomb community!

Good article, Patrick. This issue cannot be brought up and talked about enough in my opinion, though I wish most gamers (wait, should I change this to "men"?) weren't quite so thick-skulled. There's a difference between women presenting themselves in an attractive way and their being objectified. When companies (run by men, almost certainly) stick attractive women in skimpy clothes and put them alongside their products for no other purpose than to have them serve as eye candy, that's demeaning and disrespectful. They're playing to the lowest common denominator, and it's pitiful that the industry still panders to the CoD/Madden cocks (both literally and figuratively). It's like going to Cannes and seeing half-naked women presenting the next Harold and Kumar flick.

Oh, and fuck you, George Broussard.

Are these women slaves? Are they brainwashed? They are models working for money. I think you're being disrespectful by very negatively portraying the work that they do, as if it's somehow inappropriate and they are bad people for doing it...

How is it demeaning and disrespectful to notice that a person is attractive?

And you know what? If [booth babes] are being insulted or felt otherwise uncomfortable, then the offenders should be told to fuck off and exited out of the convention. That type of shit should not be allowed to stand, and that is more of a discussion of the ESA and how they run E3 and what kind of security they have in place to protect the workers, or handle situations like that. And if you want to debate booth babes, stop skirting around the issue and just say why E3 needs to become more of a business event rather than some crazy fan spectacle. Booth babes is only one piece in the giant puzzle that is the convention as a whole.

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@Vegetable_Side_Dish said:

No thanks, I'm not going to actively try to stop a company hiring pretty girls to look pretty because of your misgivings. The industry at large can 'grow up', or whatever the fuck you want to call it, without becoming concerned with the attire of promotional models at a trade show. It is growing up before our eyes, have you seen video games? They're pretty diverse and amazing; a booth babe isn't going to stop that. Such a silly thing to act ashamed of.

All this is very true.

If anything needs to grow up, it's games journalism. As it stands, games journalism as a profession is dominated by play games first and foremost, but the journalistic aspects of their duties leave a lot to be desired. Review scores and scales are broken in a fashion that's almost comical. More reviewers than I care to think about, even ones at large game news/reviews sites like IGN are terrible at their jobs, but because they're part of this game reviewer clique, in which everyone seems to know everyone and few if any are willing to openly criticize the standards of another individual, website, or publication, no one is ever held accountable for the quality of their writing. Reviewers can write insanely inaccurate, poorly structured reviews, and while some outlets may correct mistakes that are pointed out, others will simply scoff at the readers and maybe even threaten to ban users that dare to question the abilities of their editors.

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@Sharpless said:
Good article, Patrick. This issue cannot be brought up and talked about enough in my opinion
I can actually definitely get behind that statement.  If the video game journalism industry was actually more consistent with its message (given how detrimental its consequences are purported to be), people would be both more aware as well as more accepting of the message.  But right now, it still feels like despite being a year round issue, everyone is content to remain silent until some big scandal happens and it becomes the flavor of that week and that week only.
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@bonbolapti said:

@Turambar: How far does your insanity have to go before you take a break from the internet?

I drink my internet.
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Breaking news: "Attractive people are being used to sell us products". No Shit.

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but if we're talking about the depiction of women in games at such a serious level, how do we still have E3 booth babes? Other than for easy hits in web galleries, anyway.

Says Patrick, after posting a picture of booth babes as the first thing you see in the article.

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I've been trying for an hour to come up with a response, but I give up. Fuck it. 
 
I will say that totally agree with @jakob187 and @YukoAsho on this one.

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@ProperKROE: Oh absolutely men get the short end of the stick when it comes to coverage of sexism in games, but again, the example you bring up is fanart. Noncanonical and judging by the actual measurements of the torso, anatomically inaccurate in places. Honestly, I can't think of that many examples of terribly sexist examples en masse that are constantly used in videogames. Outside of perfectly chiselled men that add to my already existing body image disorders.

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@Salarn said:

@YukoAsho said:

No one's debating that booth babes are ultimately inconsequential to the experience (save perhaps to detract when 3DS units are chained to them. Seriously, WTF, Nintendo?).

If nobody is debating that booth babes are inconsequential to E3 or even a negative influence, why are people arguing to keep them?

Fewer booth babes is win/win, the show is more welcoming to developers and everyone can focus more on the games.

Well, I can't speak for everyone else, but I don't have an opinion on booth babes one way or the other. They just don't really matter to me.

What's got me in a tizzy here is that people who don't give a shit most of the time are suddenly white-knighting because it's convenient. This ties into the Tomb Raider and Hitman controversies, into the Cross Assault debacle a few months back. People like

only give a shit about women's rights when there a nice, juicy scandal in front of them to get people clicking, and it's easier to talk about nonsense like this than the continued shrinking of female attendance in comp science classes or the inequity of pay. Seriously, before Cross Assault, I heard almost nothing about these "issues" since the Jade Raymond situation.

People can't just care when it suits them.

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Women aren't forced to model for any company. Companies aren't forced to have women model for them. And you aren't forced to go to E3.

I also feel this should be a blog post, not a (news-related?) article.

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@dr_mantas said:

@Sharpless said:

Hey, I just looked up "doesn't fucking get it" in the dictionary, and I saw about 75% of the Giant Bomb community!

Good article, Patrick. This issue cannot be brought up and talked about enough in my opinion, though I wish most gamers (wait, should I change this to "men"?) weren't quite so thick-skulled. There's a difference between women presenting themselves in an attractive way and their being objectified. When companies (run by men, almost certainly) stick attractive women in skimpy clothes and put them alongside their products for no other purpose than to have them serve as eye candy, that's demeaning and disrespectful. They're playing to the lowest common denominator, and it's pitiful that the industry still panders to the CoD/Madden cocks (both literally and figuratively). It's like going to Cannes and seeing half-naked women presenting the next Harold and Kumar flick.

Oh, and fuck you, George Broussard.

Are these women slaves? Are they brainwashed? They are models working for money. I think you're being disrespectful by very negatively portraying the work that they do, as if it's somehow inappropriate and they are bad people for doing it...

How is it demeaning and disrespectful to notice that a person is attractive?

And you know what? If [booth babes] are being insulted or felt otherwise uncomfortable, then the offenders should be told to fuck off and exited out of the convention. That type of shit should not be allowed to stand, and that is more of a discussion of the ESA and how they run E3 and what kind of security they have in place to protect the workers, or handle situations like that. And if you want to debate booth babes, stop skirting around the issue and just say why E3 needs to become more of a business event rather than some crazy fan spectacle. Booth babes is only one piece in the giant puzzle that is the convention as a whole.

I really wish all the damn after hours E3 parties would end.  How many stories have we heard about journalists straight up not being able to their jobs the next day on the show floor due to being so damn shitfaced?  But they all still flock there, willingly.
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@Turambar said:

@Napalm said:

@dr_mantas said:

@Sharpless said:

Hey, I just looked up "doesn't fucking get it" in the dictionary, and I saw about 75% of the Giant Bomb community!

Good article, Patrick. This issue cannot be brought up and talked about enough in my opinion, though I wish most gamers (wait, should I change this to "men"?) weren't quite so thick-skulled. There's a difference between women presenting themselves in an attractive way and their being objectified. When companies (run by men, almost certainly) stick attractive women in skimpy clothes and put them alongside their products for no other purpose than to have them serve as eye candy, that's demeaning and disrespectful. They're playing to the lowest common denominator, and it's pitiful that the industry still panders to the CoD/Madden cocks (both literally and figuratively). It's like going to Cannes and seeing half-naked women presenting the next Harold and Kumar flick.

Oh, and fuck you, George Broussard.

Are these women slaves? Are they brainwashed? They are models working for money. I think you're being disrespectful by very negatively portraying the work that they do, as if it's somehow inappropriate and they are bad people for doing it...

How is it demeaning and disrespectful to notice that a person is attractive?

And you know what? If [booth babes] are being insulted or felt otherwise uncomfortable, then the offenders should be told to fuck off and exited out of the convention. That type of shit should not be allowed to stand, and that is more of a discussion of the ESA and how they run E3 and what kind of security they have in place to protect the workers, or handle situations like that. And if you want to debate booth babes, stop skirting around the issue and just say why E3 needs to become more of a business event rather than some crazy fan spectacle. Booth babes is only one piece in the giant puzzle that is the convention as a whole.

I really wish all the damn after hours E3 parties would end. How many stories have we heard about journalists straight up not being able to their jobs the next day on the show floor due to being so damn shitfaced? But they all still flock there, willingly.

Yeah, and journalists say the convention needs to, "grow up". I think most of those were early day antics, though. I haven't heard too much about that stuff, especially this year. It seems most people were relatively sober this year. The Giant Bomb guys, I mean.

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Oh and that part about Patrick not taking the time to play the 3DS games (aka DOING HIS JOB) because of the girls is really pathetic on Patrick's end.

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An exhibition with good looking girls in them? I'm in. Besides, everyone who goes there is well versed in the products they are interested in, it's not like you're there to buy kitchen appliances, furniture or an HDTV.

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Funny how this article in "defense" of women seems to ignore the thoughts of the women (also known as "booth babes") that are the subject of this topic. What do they think? Why are a bunch of guys and a few angry women holding a conversation about their job without even involving them in it? So for the sake of "growing up" the industry, these women should be put out of a job so games journalists can feel better about themselves and their industry? I'm not defending how some of these companies have objectified women in their advertising, but at the same time it seems pretty unfair to ignore the opinions of the women we're calling "objectified".

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"Other than easy hits in web galleries" says Patrick, using a picture of booth babes for easy hits to an article that otherwise, would have maybe half the views! ;P

TBH who cares? This really is a form of sexism - why are you Americans sooo afraid of female sexuality? IT HAPPENS. People have sex. People have bodies. Don't act like you don't do it. There is nothing wrong with the human body or looking at it.

Well then you could argue, "But it's not juust the human body, it's also the fact they're doing it for promotion. Like prostitutes, selling their bodies to the night for nothing more than cold hard cash!!! :O" It's a job. Sure some of those girls will be smart and probably dislike the fact sweaty teenagers (or sweaty "uncles") drool over them. But there will also be a huge amount of girls who are thick. Not fat. But mentally dim (like a light bulb slowly going out as a moth constantly thumps into it). Their only asset is their body. They look damn hot! If you were good at baseball, like the best in TEH WORLD, would you go and do something else? No! You'd pimp that skill until you were dry! I've worked in both promotional jobs AND as a photographer working with models, and you've got to believe me when I say, some ladies do not have many other skills and that for standing around, it's GREAT money.

I have also done photojournalism on the ladies of the night - yes the REAL prostitutes - and you'd be surprised to hear that many of them love their job. They love the power it gives them over men, expressing their sexuality openly and the rewards it brings them. I can imagine these booth babes have the same feeling towards their work (or they would have left). I'm pretty sure the virgins in the crowd are too shy to ask them how they feel about their work - I mean has anyone actually asked one of these ladies how THEY feel?

Which brings me back to my opening statement - sexism. As if guys are doing this purely because they don't like the way other guys look at these ladies. We ALL do it. The only reason is because males have a hard time with these ladies being confident, out there, sexy, for all to see. Our medieval urges to slap on a chastity belt and take the ladder away from the tower come out to play and the it hurts us, in our balls, to see something we desire out there for all to see.

Does it mean we shouldn't be gentlemen? NO! Be a gentlemen. Stop gawking. Stop posting rude and offensive tweets about girls you don't know like they're a piece of meat. But stop acting like these girls are being pimped out and calling them sluts. Stop acting like they're doing something wrong. They're doing a job. They're selling a product. Maybe commerce should stop using sex to sell their goods? But that's NEVER going to happen. So in the meantime, give these girls a break and just enjoy the show! Your distracting from the games gaddamit!

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The industry and these events exist to serve and entertain a disgusting public that demand the constant barrage of sexual advertising. The ìndustry` itself doesn`t need to grow up. It`s just doing what it was built to do. The people who need to grow up are the fans who go so far in making me fucking ashamed of being a guy (despite not even being interested in women) by desperately trying to excuse shit like this, trying to make it about how `women really do want to do these jobs` when all those making the arguments really want are more excuses to stare at tits.

And not only the fans, but the journalists that cover all of this lowest-common-denominator marketing. It`s the easiest thing in the world to stop and blame the company, as tempting as that always is for most of us, and as justified as that usually is, but as the old saying in politics goes, bad voters will get the government they deserve, and a trashy and incestuous sector of pseudo-journalism propped up by teenage and young adult guys, will get the industry they deserve too.

You have to improve that before the industry`s marketing is going to get better. Don`t expect them to raise their standards on their own. They serve the standards we create for them.

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It's kind of weird how E3 seemed to get this big rush of booth babes back at once, but I guess as long as it was possible for companies to do it, it was always going to happen. Ladies not wearing much can be awesome but I just don't see E3 as the place for it. It seems tacky, unprofessional, and at its worst obviously offensive to the female developers and journalists attending the expo. I think it's good that there are so many people speaking out against it though. Some years ago I don't think this would have been a big deal but we're in an age where the gaming press and audience has become mature enough to wake up and start saying "Hey, maybe this isn't okay".

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@SpawnMan: A nice speech, but the article is less about the "in defence of women" and more about the "why are we taking part in something that takes away from the blahblahblah". Game conventions shouldn't be like auto shows, god knows those things are special in many ways. I mean, gaming isn't just for guys (unlike cars... not sure exactly how male oriented cars are but whatever shh), and if there's one thing that Americans are more afraid of than female sexuality, it's male sexuality being expressed. Honestly, at the end of the day, what I want is half of the booth babes to be removed, and replaced by some male models. Because why the hell not? Just think of it, very attractive men wearing very revealing clothing...

I'll be in my bunk.

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It's kind of weird how E3 seemed to get this big rush of booth babes back at once, but I guess as long as it was possible for companies to do it, it was always going to happen. Ladies not wearing much can be awesome but I just don't see E3 as the place for it. It seems tacky, unprofessional, and at its worst obviously offensive to the female developers and journalists attending the expo. I think it's good that there are so many people speaking out against it though. Some years ago I don't think this would have been a big deal but we're in an age where the gaming press and audience has become mature enough to wake up and start saying "Hey, maybe this isn't okay".

As others have noted, the press's complaints led to the "cleaning up" of E3 from '07-'09. Then the journalists found it so boring that the glitz and booth babes were allowed back. The problem is that the journalists don't understand what they want.

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@Hailinel said:

@Gamer_152 said:

It's kind of weird how E3 seemed to get this big rush of booth babes back at once, but I guess as long as it was possible for companies to do it, it was always going to happen. Ladies not wearing much can be awesome but I just don't see E3 as the place for it. It seems tacky, unprofessional, and at its worst obviously offensive to the female developers and journalists attending the expo. I think it's good that there are so many people speaking out against it though. Some years ago I don't think this would have been a big deal but we're in an age where the gaming press and audience has become mature enough to wake up and start saying "Hey, maybe this isn't okay".

As others have noted, the press's complaints led to the "cleaning up" of E3 from '07-'09. Then the journalists found it so boring that the glitz and booth babes were allowed back. The problem is that the journalists don't understand what they want.

From what I've seen journalists have spoken out against booth babes and when they've not been around haven't really clamoured for more. Who was asking for booth babes back?

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“I dread heading off to work at E3 today,” she said. “The show is a constant assault on the female self esteem no matter which direction I look. I am in good shape, yet it is impossible not to compare. I feel uncomfortable. It is as if I walked into a strip club w/o intending to. These are the policies of @e3expo and @RichatESA. I feel uncomfortable in an industry I helped found.”

She helped make it this way by developing games like Playboy Mansion and Playboy Mansion: private party. Plus her argument is essentially: "There are women here who are more physically attractive then I am, and as such, I would like to not have to see them".

We can't have this stuff get in the way of watching someone get shotgunned to the face and pieces of their head hit the camera, now can we?

I really like this post. I was thinking the same thing when I read that Braithwaite quote too. It's about as embarrassing as having to listen to the phrase "Torture porn" every time "journalists" talk about the new Tomb Raider game.

I feel many people rally against "exploitation" like this just to make themselves feel intelligent and morally superior to others.

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@Gamer_152 said:

@Hailinel said:

@Gamer_152 said:

It's kind of weird how E3 seemed to get this big rush of booth babes back at once, but I guess as long as it was possible for companies to do it, it was always going to happen. Ladies not wearing much can be awesome but I just don't see E3 as the place for it. It seems tacky, unprofessional, and at its worst obviously offensive to the female developers and journalists attending the expo. I think it's good that there are so many people speaking out against it though. Some years ago I don't think this would have been a big deal but we're in an age where the gaming press and audience has become mature enough to wake up and start saying "Hey, maybe this isn't okay".

As others have noted, the press's complaints led to the "cleaning up" of E3 from '07-'09. Then the journalists found it so boring that the glitz and booth babes were allowed back. The problem is that the journalists don't understand what they want.

From what I've seen journalists have spoken out against booth babes and when they've not been around haven't really clamoured for more. Who was asking for booth babes back?

Probably journalists.
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@Dalai: I meant who specifically, and when did they do it? Nice avatar by the way.

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Eh? Is it really that big of a deal?

It really isn't. It's just the current hot button issue that will be forgotten in a month.

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@Gamer_152 said:

@Hailinel said:

@Gamer_152 said:

It's kind of weird how E3 seemed to get this big rush of booth babes back at once, but I guess as long as it was possible for companies to do it, it was always going to happen. Ladies not wearing much can be awesome but I just don't see E3 as the place for it. It seems tacky, unprofessional, and at its worst obviously offensive to the female developers and journalists attending the expo. I think it's good that there are so many people speaking out against it though. Some years ago I don't think this would have been a big deal but we're in an age where the gaming press and audience has become mature enough to wake up and start saying "Hey, maybe this isn't okay".

As others have noted, the press's complaints led to the "cleaning up" of E3 from '07-'09. Then the journalists found it so boring that the glitz and booth babes were allowed back. The problem is that the journalists don't understand what they want.

From what I've seen journalists have spoken out against booth babes and when they've not been around haven't really clamoured for more. Who was asking for booth babes back?

The same journalists that wanted the glitzy E3 back. It's pretty much guaranteed that if the organizers clean up E3 again, this cycle is just going to repeat itself.

  1. E3 is too glitzy and has booth babes! Clean it up!
  2. E3 is boring and is losing relevance!
  3. We want the old E3 back!
  4. E3 is too glitzy and has booth babes! Clean it up!
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