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@Manatassi: they are making a difference, no matter how small it is.@Manatassi said: " A lack of action on the part of people who have the means and education to take action is the issue I have with Vegetarians."um can you clarify what you mean by "a lack of action" please. edit: way to dodge the link by the way

@pirate_republic said: " @bennyboy: Ethics? You're saying that if all animals had ethics, then no meat would be consumed anywhere in the food chain? No.  If all animals had ethics, then all animals would have to consciously change their levels of meat consumption to adapt to current conditions.  Now you're just drawing up a strawman arguement

@pirate_republic: ethics are not irrelevant.  you're discussing food ethics with me right now.  Your decision to eat meat is an ethical choice.EDIT: and if you're not already aware, we currently do have an overpopulation problem, which is due in large part to people in developing nations having far too many children in order to make up for the ones that will most likely die from hunger.  Do you wanna take ...

@Manatassi said: It would appear that you either didn't read what I posted properly or were being Ironic?My first argument was not that you need money to live as a vegetarian. My second argument however was that you need an adequate financial basis to be able to keep fresh produce stocked that you need the time that is not available to many people and that you need the skills and ...

@pirate_republic said: " @Sick_J0ke said: Hmmm... have you ever seen a national geographic nature documentary on, say, lions in Africa? They mercilessly kill, ripping cute little [insert prey here] like it's nothing. Do you think that's right or wrong? You mentioned that just because we're on the top of the food chain doesn't mean we have the right to kill... what about those lions? They're pretty much on the top ...

@The_A_Drain: i can make my own vegan lasagna, thanks :)and okay, since people are hating on vegetarians, you concede that i am allowed to defend them. so what's the problem?  and let me ask you, where in this entire thread have i preached how awesome vegetarians are at all?

oh wait, so you can bored and post here, but if i'm bored i can't because "it's the internet"? my excuse is the same as your excuse, except i didn't  attempt to make a lame cop-out  by telling you "this is the internet. get over it."

oh and if you yourself realize hate and stupidity in this thread the least you could do is not contribute to it by adding more hate and stupidity with your own posts.

@The_A_Drain: ok, if we're going to play that game, then why are you even bothering responding to me.  oh, right, because you're "bored." okay.

by the way, if what you've said is true,  you've only met mostly preachy vegetarians because those who don't preach don't make themselves known to you as vegs.  I'm willing to bet the ratio of non-preachy to preachy vegetarians is a lot higher than what you've experienced.

@The_A_Drain said: " @bennyboy:  I'm sure you would get the same feeling if I came and sat down at a table of vegetarians scoffing a burger and saying "Green? Fuck, thats the same colour as poison, wouldn't catch me eating any of that shit".that's pretty much what's been going on in this thread. a lot of hate for the vegs + vacuous ignorant remarks about their reasons for doing it. ...

@PercyChuggs: you don't have to eat organic to eat veg though.  granted you'd be avoiding a lot of the genetic engineering mishaps done by the likes of big agricultural biotechnology companies like monsanto and zeneca, but it's not a requirement. i know i don't.and the reason it costs more is because people are demanding enough such that supply remains fixed at that equilibrium price.  If it were a problem they'd ...

@The_A_Drain: u mad

@Sick_J0ke: uh oh watch out now they're gonna start calling you a "preachy vegetarian" for defending yourself

if you're not sure what the whole deal is with them then what right do you have to comment on the validity of what they do? is that not a bit "snobbish" on your part as well?

both are pretty bland and boring but i guess i'd go with metallica

The vast majority of  vegetarians (including vegans) don't need to take supplements.  The only vital nutrient found in meat that a vegetarian may not get enough of is vitamin B12, which one could get through fortified foods like tofu, soy milk, cereals, and a whole lot of other options.