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Mass Effect 3 to (Finally) Support Same-Sex Love Interests

How the new options will play into existing characters, however...

You can have a relationship with whomever in BioWare's Dragon Age series. Male-male? Female-female? Go for it, adventurer! That's not the case in Mass Effect, a consistent source of criticism against the sci-fi epic. That changes with Mass Effect 3, according to a Tweet from executive producer Casey Hudson.

"Happy to confirm #ME3 supports wider options for love interests incl. same-sex for m&f chars, reactive to how you interact w/them in-game," said Hudson in a surprise update yesterday morning.

As for how that will exactly play out, Hudson isn't saying just yet.

"Some game sites saying 'previously straight chars now available for both m&f [male & female] chars' not necessarily true," he clarified. "Will have some new LI's [love interests] in #ME3."

Whether or not you ever encounter these new relationships options in Mass Effect 3, it's great to see the company responding to something players have been asking for. Having the option is what's important.

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Posted by zeezkos

Good.  I always found it cowardly of BioWare in ME1 (haven't played 2 , yet) that they were ok with having you be able to get it on with the Asari as a female but no option for two dudes, simply because at this point in time it is a cop-out.   Lesbians are cool, gays are too risky for sales = cowardly.  Then again, maybe they shot themselves in the foot with the way you are suddenly presented with the love-making cut-scene based on your choices.. but i am pretty sure that I remember having to choose dialogue options that were heartfelt, lovey-dovey to have a relationship feeling with the characters to begin with..   i don't think anyone who is terrified of seeing a homosexual relationship in this game is going to stumble into one by mistake.

Another issue.., it was too ridiculous that the only females you actually ever saw were human or Asari.. and the Asari all looked pretty human-female (germophobe girl doesn't count, you never really see her.. but she has some huge human knockers, doesn't she? ... ).

Posted by Blood_for_the_blood_God

so bioware rpg's are the new Torchwood?

Posted by Vinny_Says

gay or straight, the ME romances are all shallow anyway. The only reason you pursue them is to see the sex scenes. I don't see why this is news-worthy but that's not my decision.

Posted by ShaggyDude

If anyone wants to see the lesbian ending to Shadow Broker, I recorded it and slapped some music on it. I usually play as the default Shepard but I'm definitely continuing this character in ME3, she's just too awesome.

Posted by tooPrime

If by "finally" you mean, since the first game, then sure.

Posted by BibleDoctor
@Aragorn123 said: 
This might not be the case. From Casey Hudson's twitter:

 Some game sites saying "previously straight chars now available for both m&f chars" not necessarily true. Will have some new LI's in #ME3


Yeah i'm subscribed to his feed as well, saw that too. I was just trying to explain what the people on the 'other side' are worried about. It's starting to get stereotyped as homophobes vs. homosexuals, which isn't the case and it's a bit insulting to jump to that conclusion.

Whatever the case, and however it turns out. It's sad that Bioware and the fanbase has made the romances such a huge part of the game, to the point where people are being beyond nasty to one another fighting over this. The romances were great, no they were fantastic, when they added a certain amount of depth and emotional connection in regards to the story, but to go out of your way now to cater to everyones sexual wants in a game is getting a bit ridiculous.
Posted by johnLongview
@tooPrime: The headline is somewhat poorly-written, as now *male* same-sex relationships will be possible.

Although, my understanding is that Asari are technically both / neither genders, so what went down in ME1 was more "female / alien who has many outward characteristics of human female" action.
Posted by Marcsman

Will there be a stem the rose trophy\achievement?
Posted by Simulacrum
@Sweep If he's not too busy with calibrations that is.
Posted by hermes
@BibleDoctor said:
@hermes said:
@BibleDoctor said:
@hermes said: 
Besides, same sex love interests were available in ME 1 too, and not many people complained...
Interest, not plural.
Just for the sake of "political correctness", there was the possibility or there was not. Whether it was one option or hundreds, its not the point.
That isn't what the majority of the people arguing about this are worried about. Liara was scripted as a 'bisexual' option, what they hinted at doing now implies the plan on altering characters that they have spent two games building into the same ambiguous sexual orientation that all the romance options in DA2 were. In addition to that distaste, the way the romances in ME2 were handled it adds another fear. If you shot down a character who expressed romantic interest in you during ME2, there was no more dialogue after that. There were no more scripted conversations, and the development stopped at pretty much the 'no' coming from your characters mouth. The worry is that Bioware will throw the blanket of the ambiguous sexuality over every character who you've spent two games getting attached to, and then have their dialogue and your interaction with them cut short when you shoot them down.

It isn't that people don't want homosexual romance options in the fucking game. I'd love to see a gay male or female character, who isn't some strange sexual orientation that relates only to the PC, but as strong homosexual character. Who is written as such. It's lazy writing, especially in regards to how important the interpersonal relationships are in the Mass Effect games, to just opt out of giving the character an orientation.
Ok. Fair enough. If your complain is that the game will take the path of "have sex with" as the epitome of a relationship with any character, I can understand it and even agree (I was disappointed the relationship with Jack and Tali would end with either sex or her being bitchy and you being an asshole).

The other part (about the orientation), I don't agree that much. As many other things, sexual orientation is part of what you decide for your character. Its part of who do you decide to be, as Sheppard. As well as whether you decide to punch the reporter or scare that fanboy, its part of the roleplaying. The fact that most options you have affect a small portion of the game (and possibly of the sequels) is unfortunate, but the sex orientation is hardly the only place. I didn't notice much more repercussions in the decision of who do you decide to engage with as in whether you decide to save the council or not (besides the scope of one single mission).

Now, if you check the comments again, you will see that most people indeed "don't want homosexual romance options in the fucking game", specially went there is no mention of who those options might be... there is no proof that they will rewrite Garrus and Mordin to be interested all of a sudden, instead of introducing some new character to open up the possibilities... They even say that in the article.
Posted by TadThuggish
@blacklabeldomm said:
gay or straight, the ME romances are all shallow anyway. The only reason you pursue them is to see the sex scenes. I don't see why this is news-worthy but that's not my decision.
Right, that's one of my biggest problems with the series.  You never experience romance in Mass Effect, you experience some sweet talk till fucking occurs.  The sex scene is always there at the end of the game as a borderline pornographic reward, distancing itself from the other aspects a romance or relationship actually brings.  This headline may as well be "MASS EFFECT 3 NOW HAS SOFTCORE GAY PORN ALONG WITH OTHER VARIETIES"
Posted by pornstorestiffi
  If that song isn't in the game, i will be very disappointed.
Posted by BoOzak

Glad to see they've got sex continuity, although I hope romantic gestures are alittle less subtle than in Dragon Age, a compliment doesnt always mean I want to hit that..

Posted by BibleDoctor
@hermes said: 
The other part (about the orientation), I don't agree that much. As many other things, sexual orientation is part of what you decide for your character. Its part of who do you decide to be, as Sheppard. As well as whether you decide to punch the reporter or scare that fanboy, its part of the roleplaying. The fact that most options you have affect a small portion of the game (and possibly of the sequels) is unfortunate, but the sex orientation is hardly the only place. I didn't notice much more repercussions in the decision of who do you decide to engage with as in whether you decide to save the council or not (besides the scope of one single mission).

Now, if you check the comments again, you will see that most people indeed "don't want homosexual romance options in the fucking game", specially went there is no mention of who those options might be... there is no proof that they will rewrite Garrus and Mordin to be interested all of a sudden, instead of introducing some new character to open up the possibilities... They even say that in the article.
That was difficult to read, the subtle spelling errors threw me for a loop. As I was reading through I kept auto correcting in my head, and then debating if they needed to be corrected at all. When I realized that they did, I also realized that I was reading the same sentence over and over again. Anyways.

  • The repercussions of denying an initiated romance in ME2 were that you couldn't interact with the character on a conversation level anymore, which would kill character development. Especially if too many people are available for romancing both genders.
  • They don't want homosexual romances in the game because the way that Bioware is implying they will implement them, is to make the characters from the first few games have an orientation which they have not had in the past. Which causes the above issue to come to mind.
I'm not going to retype my whole previous post. Nearly everything you've stated in this post, I touched on in my previous post. So we're beginning to go in circles here, and i'm not into it..

In reference to your last few lines, I never said I knew who they were going to rewrite or change. I never said anything about Garrus or Mordin doing anything. I'm not saying there is proof, I don't know where you got that information and why you made it up. I am saying that the way Bioware (Casey Hudson) implied this might happen is causing people to assume, based on Bioware's recent game and their responses on the Bioware boards, that this could be an eventual and probable outcome. This assumption is generating discussion on how fans would feel if this did happen and how similar to 'retcon' it actually is.
Posted by Beaudacious

Everyone is really overreacting form anti-gay to full disclosure. Honestly i wish they'd simply stop wasting time on this and make sure that ME3 isn't another DA2. Also To people saying this is a progressive move, every coin has two sides. What if someone played a renegade Shepard, do you really think Renegade hetero shepard would look nicely upon a same sex advance? He'd probably beat the crap out of the other character.

Also these aren't relationships, its moving up a dialog tree to see someone in their undies.  So either way drop it and make gameplay better. Anyone who cares about this is more of a role-player, and if we start giving into role-player demands, oh god help us all.

Posted by Chalian
@Underachiever007

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Posted by Ellis7x

My male shepard can finally bang jacob, awesome.

Edited by ProfessorK
@Nomin: And Twinkies!!! Don't forget the Twinkies!!!
Posted by Snipzor
@Beaudacious said:
Everyone is really overreacting form anti-gay to full disclosure. Honestly i wish they'd simply stop wasting time on this and make sure that ME3 isn't another DA2. Also To people saying this is a progressive move, every coin has two sides. What if someone played a renegade Shepard, do you really think Renegade hetero shepard would look nicely upon a same sex advance? He'd probably beat the crap out of the other character. Also these aren't relationships, its moving up a dialog tree to see someone in their undies.  So either way drop it and make gameplay better. Anyone who cares about this is more of a role-player, and if we start giving into role-player demands, oh god help us all.
Do you honestly think that Garrus wears undies?!
Posted by Chalian

yay for same sex!!!
Posted by Aetheldod

Well my femshep already ...ahem did it with Liara so its kinda of same sex ain't it? Never the less good to know .... for my other playthroughs ;)

Posted by hermes
@BibleDoctor said:
@hermes said: 
The other part (about the orientation), I don't agree that much. As many other things, sexual orientation is part of what you decide for your character. Its part of who do you decide to be, as Sheppard. As well as whether you decide to punch the reporter or scare that fanboy, its part of the roleplaying. The fact that most options you have affect a small portion of the game (and possibly of the sequels) is unfortunate, but the sex orientation is hardly the only place. I didn't notice much more repercussions in the decision of who do you decide to engage with as in whether you decide to save the council or not (besides the scope of one single mission).

Now, if you check the comments again, you will see that most people indeed "don't want homosexual romance options in the fucking game", specially went there is no mention of who those options might be... there is no proof that they will rewrite Garrus and Mordin to be interested all of a sudden, instead of introducing some new character to open up the possibilities... They even say that in the article.
That was difficult to read, the subtle spelling errors threw me for a loop. As I was reading through I kept auto correcting in my head, and then debating if they needed to be corrected at all. When I realized that they did, I also realized that I was reading the same sentence over and over again. Anyways.

  • The repercussions of denying an initiated romance in ME2 were that you couldn't interact with the character on a conversation level anymore, which would kill character development. Especially if too many people are available for romancing both genders.
  • They don't want homosexual romances in the game because the way that Bioware is implying they will implement them, is to make the characters from the first few games have an orientation which they have not had in the past. Which causes the above issue to come to mind.
I'm not going to retype my whole previous post. Nearly everything you've stated in this post, I touched on in my previous post. So we're beginning to go in circles here, and i'm not into it..

In reference to your last few lines, I never said I knew who they were going to rewrite or change. I never said anything about Garrus or Mordin doing anything. I'm not saying there is proof, I don't know where you got that information and why you made it up. I am saying that the way Bioware (Casey Hudson) implied this might happen is causing people to assume, based on Bioware's recent game and their responses on the Bioware boards, that this could be an eventual and probable outcome. This assumption is generating discussion on how fans would feel if this did happen and how similar to 'retcon' it actually is.
Sorry about the spelling. English is not my main language and it gets more noticeable the longer the sentences. Right now I am using Chrome corrector as a way to minimize the spelling mistakes, which is likely not the best option.

About the rewrite... They have said that they are not necessarily going to rewrite any established character to fit the role of the male Sheppard homosexual love interest. They are likely going to introduce some new character that opens up that possibility. Garrus and Mordin are never mentioned in the article and I am only using them as examples of characters people fear they would rewrite to fit the LI role (which, again, they are not)...
Posted by Lifestrike
@ajamafalous said:
I'm hungry.
Posted by OMGmyFACE

I always found it offensive that polyamory was more accepted than same-sex relations. Eh. Still gonna pair Femshep with Liara anyway.

Posted by BibleDoctor
@hermes said:
Sorry about the spelling. English is not my main language and it gets more noticeable the longer the sentences. Right now I am using Chrome corrector as a way to minimize the spelling mistakes, which is likely not the best option.

About the rewrite... They have said that they are not necessarily going to rewrite any established character to fit the role of the male Sheppard homosexual love interest. They are likely going to introduce some new character that opens up that possibility. Garrus and Mordin are never mentioned in the article and I am only using them as examples of characters people fear they would rewrite to fit the LI role (which, again, they are not)...

I wasn't trying to 'pick on you' for your spelling, I was trying to get across how humorous I thought it was that it took me so long to read your post because of how it was tripping me out.

In regards to the rewrite, they said not necessarily. I'm not taking that as fact, I don't trust Bioware (or any other company) enough to take that kind of terminology as 'fact'. I'm not sure why you are so sure they won't. If they add a bisexual (or ideally maybe a homosexual male and female character) male LI and leave all the others the way they are, I think that would be ideal. Why would you fix something that isn't broken? Maybe in future games they can have actual homosexual characters instead of just random ambiguous sexual characters they half ass out to appease a group of people who believe that it somehow means that Bioware is 'all about being gay'. I don't know why the fanbase is so happy with having every party member be bisexual, it's disingenuous. Why wouldn't you have a mix of sexual orientations, straight, gay, bi, asexual, etc? It's lazy and I don't like it.

Hell i'm not sure how this turned into such an issue. The romances are meant to be (or should be) a part of the game that helps with your emotional connection to the characters and immersion into the world and the story, not to be the whole reason you buy a game.
Posted by Death_Unicorn

As long as I don't get every single character wanting to get into the party in my pants after one sentence of dialogue, I'm ok with it.

Posted by RYNO9881

Hope its not like the Dragon Age system; where everyone is bisexual.

Posted by NegativeCero
@pornstorestiffi: That was amazing.

Very nice for my lady Shepard who went for Thane, who presumably is no longer with the crew for story reasons.
Posted by Xpgamer7

alright then.

Edited by Makoma

BIOWARE IS A PART OF THE GAY CONSPIRACY AND THEY PRODUCE GAY SEX SIMULATORS
But more seriously, this. 
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/extra-punctuation/8768-Extra-Punctuation-Roleplaying-Homosexual-in-Dragon-Age-2
    Really, why is this even news? I don't understand the fascination with having a homosexual or bestiality loving character. As a bisexual duder I find it more offensive that people are advertising it than not having it at all, like it's some sort of gift to the world. If they want to do it, sure, fine, go bananas (hehe) but it shouldn't be something to draw attention to, any more than the protagonist of Gears being straight and not at all ramming Dom up the ass with his Lancer.


   Somehow it's fine for lesbians to do the scissors thing, but if two guys want to swordfight people start doing spit-takes. I think that's what this article is clarifying.
Posted by Applederp

I'm by no means a homophobe, but I really hope they do this better than it was in Dragon Age 2

It was SO ANNOYING when I'm trying to be friendly to Anders and suddenly LOL LETS FUCK.

Posted by haggis

Well, the FemShep/Liara pairing was always essentially a lesbian relationship. Yes, I know the Asari only have one sex and people call them androgynous, but sorry: they have boobs. Thus, they might as well be female.

Posted by TEHMAXXORZ

The '(finally)' bit seems a little stupid. Commander Shepard is a character with his own interests, sure the player may end up deciding almost everything for him, but he/she has to keep some sort of independence. I'm not against this whole same sex interest thing, but it feels like Shepard's character has been decided and now BioWare is starting to create a 'every-conceivable-option-game'. I'm not against this whole homosexual thing, but I'm not supporting it.  

Posted by SonicBoyster

So much homophobia masked behind empty criticisms about video game romances.  Seems like there should be less of this going on in 2011 than I'm seeing here.  Nobody is being forced to into a romance option.  The idea that someone would be outright offended that an option was provided that someone other than yourself might take advantage of is demonstrative of a much deeper seated issue.

Posted by Mikazukinoyaiba

I bet you're they are going to retcon the sexuality of characters like they did with Anders in DA2

Posted by slowbird
@Artemis_D said:
Finally, my dream of space lesbian Shepard has come true.  Travelling the galaxy having lesbian sex with space ladies, and kicking space bitches out of space windows.

Space.
YOU STOLE MY IDEA.
Posted by css_switchfoot

im tired of all this political correctness bullshit


who cares if you offend someone? they should realize living life isn't about constantly waiting for people to offend you so you can pounce on the smallest innuendos and make a huge deal out of nothing.

i dont want gay people hitting on me when walking down the street doing my thing, and i dont want gay characters hitting on me when im trying to play my games.  thats just not something i'm cool with

but hey i'm straight.  and if you're gay you feel the exact opposite as me.  i can understand that.  just don't throw it in my face.  
Posted by Clubvodka
@Makoma said:
BIOWARE IS A PART OF THE GAY CONSPIRACY AND THEY PRODUCE GAY SEX SIMULATORS
But more seriously, this. 
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/extra-punctuation/8768-Extra-Punctuation-Roleplaying-Homosexual-in-Dragon-Age-2
    Really, why is this even news? I don't understand the fascination with having a homosexual or bestiality loving character. As a bisexual duder I find it more offensive that people are advertising it than not having it at all, like it's some sort of gift to the world. If they want to do it, sure, fine, go bananas (hehe) but it shouldn't be something to draw attention to, any more than the protagonist of Gears being straight and not at all ramming Dom up the ass with his Lancer.

   Somehow it's fine for lesbians to do the scissors thing, but if two guys want to swordfight people start doing spit-takes. I think that's what this article is clarifying.
This...this.... he's right, I'm straight I don't care. Why is this news?
Posted by LordAndrew

So does this mean all the characters will be bisexual again?

Posted by Nate_is_my_fake_name
@css_switchfoot said:
im tired of all this political correctness bullshit

who cares if you offend someone? they should realize living life isn't about constantly waiting for people to offend you so you can pounce on the smallest innuendos and make a huge deal out of nothing.

i dont want gay people hitting on me when walking down the street doing my thing, and i dont want gay characters hitting on me when im trying to play my games.  thats just not something i'm cool with

but hey i'm straight.  and if you're gay you feel the exact opposite as me.  i can understand that.  just don't throw it in my face.  
Haha, fucking classic.  You realize you actually have to pursue these relationships in the game, right?
Posted by Zabant
@FoxMulder: I read that as "The Cock"

i need to get away from the internet for a few days
Posted by MysteriousBob

People actually complained about the lack of gay relationships in ME1 and 2?


... what?
Posted by shamanick

Who cares about same-sex relationships? I just want to fuck a Hanar.

*This one enjoys the feeling of a human penis*

Posted by S0ndor
@WrathOfBanja said:
Lol great, a more developed dating sim. Now ME3 is perfect.

 @S0ndor said:

@Mowgers said:

So tired of sex in games being newsworthy. It was interesting, now it's just dull. Seriously. Who gives a flying hows-your-father about this?
Romance, not sex
 lolwut? If that's romance then farting at people in fable is conversation."Oh hey, you made it through three conversation trees. Lets bang!"
You're going to have to come to terms with the fact that videogames are not Hollywood romantic dramas. Mass Effect is a sci-fi shooter/RPG, and many of its romance options are far more convincing than what you get in blockbuster films. Personally, I always enjoy pursuing the various romances in Bioware games. If you don't then that's fine too, but don't act all butt-hurt because it's not Casablanca.

Always remember that no matter how good the writing may be, it's still just videogame writing.

Also remember that it is an entirely optional feature of the game that you could completely ignore, if you so wished.
Posted by The_Nubster

Hopefully, there won't be fans bitching about the availability of it. Then again, having one of the writers eviscerate another forum member would be great.

Posted by CitizenJP

Lol craziness! I'm in no way against this or whatever...I just feel bad because Bioware is probably going to get flamed to oblivion for this. :P

Posted by Nate_is_my_fake_name
@shamanick said:
Who cares about same-sex relationships? I just want to fuck a Hanar.*This one enjoys the feeling of a human penis*
"Great shame.  This one does not have the funds to provide you with cab fare home."
Posted by dudeglove

BORING. Get back to me whenever I can have a zero-gravity three-way fuckfest.

Posted by maxB

Imma coming for you Mordin

Posted by Sharpshooter

Yeah for equality, should have happened sooner, life goes on.