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Microsoft Dishing Out Perma-Bans To Halo: Reach Thieves

Hey guys, don't take your stolen copy online. Actually, just don't steal games to begin with.

Surprise! You'll get in big trouble if you decide to take a pirated copy of Bungie's Halo: Reach online. Microsoft is now reportedly perma-banning those silly enough to sync stolen copies of the long-anticipated shooter with Xbox Live's servers. It's also passing out a cute letter alongside bans, stating the obvious to those feeling the banhammer's righteous burn. "This email is to notify you that your Xbox Live account privileges have been permanently suspended due to illegitimate pre-release play," it reads in part, according to Max Console (via Joystiq)

Microsoft acknowledged the Reach leak earlier this week to the Seattle PI and other outlets, but didn't explain how thieves got their hands on the game this far in advance of release. 
 

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That part is easy to explain, thanks to the thieves themselves. Microsoft recently uploaded a final build of the game on Xbox Live Marketplace, presumably for reviewers not attending this week's review event (which Jeff is attending right this minute). A couple of smart but nefarious dudes were able to extract the code and then went on to distribute it. They publicized the former, and said they wouldn't do the latter. Yet, here we are talking about people who have the game and are getting banned for it. Somebody was telling a fib.

If you're wondering if this is special treatment for Halo pirates, it isn't. In a Twitter response about this mess, Xbox Live director of policy Stephen Toulouse said everyone who gets any game illegally could be perma-banned if caught.

And chances are you will be caught playing a pirated version of Reach, because, c'mon, the game doesn't come out until September 14. Microsoft knows your mom and pop store doesn't have a copy in stock yet. So just wait until release and buy a copy instead. It's the right thing to do.

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JUSTICE!

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@ Brackynews
 
Well said. If they want us to buy new then they need to give us incentive, not punish us by charging for stuff that should be already be included and using bull**** DRM (cough EA cough)
 
I am not a pirate or condone what they do, but as an honest consumer I'm getting sick and tired of being treated like one.
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@gnosisispower said:

" Buying 2nd hand games is kinda stealing, because you are opting to provide absolutely no money to the publisher / developer in exchange for the product. Just because money is exchanged doesn't make it any better than piracy - all the money is going to the retailer (who had absolutely no input in the game's development) and none to the creators who use the revenue generated to fiscally support their lives.  The retailers are simply leeching off someone's hard (and creative / passionate) work.People argue that the same 2nd hand system exists within the music, book, clothing and car industry and therefore it is validated. But in all instances, the same issues apply. Personally, I couldn't care less if a car manufacturer gets any of my money, because I care little for cars. But when it comes to supporting something I love (games, books music) and specific developers, authors and musicians, then I have a duty to exchange money for their creation, thereby enabling them to continue to provide me with further creations that I can take pleasure from. Buying 2nd hand does not enable this and nor does pirating - so where's the difference? Just because the law says one is legal and the other isn't doesn't justify either system - its a question of moral integrity, not bureaucratic law.   If you love a game and want a sequel, or admire a developer and want them to continue to create games, you should buy their product 1st hand and around release - leaving it until a retailer slashes prices doesn't help cause at that point they're just offing stock (but that's a whole different story). Buying second hand and smugly claiming yourself superior to pirates is hypocritical and a fallacy. "

It's a physical product. Someone already spent money on that product. The person buying it second hand is simply buying it off the owner of that physical product. 
One person buys it, only one person can buy it second hand. 
With piracy, one person can buy it, and upload the files onto torrent sites, creating nearly infinite copies. At that point, the comparison is thrown out the window, and the problem becomes obvious.
With that said, if people think a game is worth their money, then I agree that they should buy it first hand. That's why I bought Heavy Rain first hand; the gameplay style had potential, and I'd like to see QuanticDream expand on the idea further. 
But you see, not everyone likes to play fair. Thus, developers/publishers needs to give them a good reason to do so. For example, Alan Wake offered the first DLC episode for free to all first hand buyers. Epic did something similar before that by brining back a few classic GoW1 maps for GoW2's multiplayer.
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@dvorak: You missed my point. 
 
It's not a total solution since the majority of people who are playing halo want to play it online. People looking forward to this game or are fans aren't only going to want to play the single player, so it's pretty much a bust if you want to pirate it and want multiplayer.
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"It's the right thing to do"     Ye right!

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Microsoft should track down the pirates, just like how Modern Warfare 2 was leaked and the man was caught and consequently arrested.

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This is all sort of irrelevant, considering that anyone who wants to play this needs a JTAG modified console, and they are banned if they go online at all. It won't be possible to play on LIVE until a disc based version of the game is leaked, and then most people will probably wait till after the release date to go on LIVE just to blend in. 
 
The only people who ever get account banned are the idiots who go online with a game weeks before it comes out, like back when Forza III was released. It sends off flags. They aren't going to be specifically looking for people after the game comes out. It's just the nature of the Microsoft banning policy. 
 
Even if they are just using drive mods, and get caught, they just get console banned. That's not even a big deal to someone who just downloads virtually any game they want to play. They still save money in the end.

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@stalefishies said:
" @natetodamax: As far as Bungie and Microsoft are concerned, both might as well be.  If you were to, say, pay a piracy website through which you downloaded Halo: Reach, or bought it used from a game store, in both cases you're paying a third-party company for the game and no money goes to anyone involved in making or producing the game. Yet the latter is generally  'morally wrong' and the former is 'morally right'.  The issue of used games vs pirating games isn't as black and white as it may first seem. "
Well it kinda is black and white, because when the company sells the copy of a game in the first instance - without having the user accept a EULA - they do so knowing that said user is legally entitled to sell that copy on again if they wish (under First Sale Doctrine).  This legal right adds value to the copy of the game when it is originally sold - ie. games would be worth less if the purchaser could not sell them on - so the company does in fact benefit from this to some extent.  The possibility of resales is effectively already factored into the price.  
 
These are the rules of the market as defined by law, and if a publisher can't accept that then they shouldn't play (or they should enforce a EULA).
 
When you pirate a game, you are creating a copy that has never been bought by anybody, and the publisher can't factor this in at the first sale, because there is no first sale.  This is outside the rules of the market.
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It's a lot harder to pirate cartridge games. I certainly don't know anyone who pirated SNES or N64 games. I know it's possible, but the average jerkoff isn't going to go out and do it. Console manufacturers should probably start making sure all future consoles use cartridges. Less load times anyways.

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Havent read through all comment, but wasent there a time when people got banned for piracy when games
was released prematurly? Aka if the retailer sent the game out before its actual release date?
I got one store here in sweden that always tend to deliver my games a few days before streetdate when i preorder.

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Who would steal Halo: Reach? At least steal something good like Dead Rising 2.

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Good
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You do something illegal. You get punished for it. Go figure.

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@Eight said:
"Who would steal Halo: Reach? At least steal something good like Dead Rising 2. "

Thieves and taste often don't go hand in hand.
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i thought jeff was against review events

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@natetodamax said:
" @EternalDarkWing said:
" @Bluethunder35 said:
The only way they can stop this BS is to have these pirates arrested and jailed. They need to make an example out of them. "
They should arrest and jail people who buy used games too, since they aren't giving money to the original company either. "
Piracy is stealing.  "
You lost me.
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I just annoyed how unfair it is. 
If You steal a copy from game store You will probably go to jail. 
But if You distribute stolen copy You're just fine. 
 
If You want everything for free, then don't blame yourself while working hard for free in jail for society.
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While I think this is a great thing, I have to wonder if Microsoft went after the thieves with so much immediacy because it's such a hot title. I'd like to see them take such quick action when it comes to some of the smaller companies.  

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@Eight said:
" Who would steal Halo: Reach? At least steal something good like Dead Rising 2. "
Gametrailers forums are here.
Please keep this behaviour away from these forums.
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 they are not "Thieves" , they are savvy people. Savvy people are punished, while the stupids are pat on the back.

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i dont like paying $60 for my games. but i do like being online and being able to use the game for 100% of its purposes. now if only LIVE wasnt a ripoff.

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I can't help but feel kindda sorry for anyone who inadvertanly got a peek...the ones who thought they really had stumbled on something

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@gale said:
" They should arrest and jail people who buy used games too, since they aren't giving money to the original company either. "
are you serious?
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@Evilmetal: How would you like it it you spent 2 years of your life working on and someone just steals it .How bout I come and steal your Xbox instead of  buying one . You're the type of people that shouldnt be on this site  when you steal video games youre   hurting the video game industry to the point where small develper can no longer make games and only large companies .STFU you pig  
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Sweet job Microsoft, pirates FTL.

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 Lol so funny games have always been so over priced if you bit*** think that is right to buy  a great game (65.00) and a Crappy Game (65.00) is fair then you all are playing there game they make so much money iv owned six xbox 360's since they came out and 5 out of six got RED RING OF DEATH and microsoft doesnt even care because what do i do about it buy another one so it should be fair to download a game to try it out in you want this to stop then the OVER priced games must be cheaper P.S, if you do steal games dont get online then beat it then delete the game saves after your done and bam no BAND! ......Pussys

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People do that? 
 

     GBs Reach Achievement list 
     GBs Reach Achievement list 
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 Lol so funny games have always been so over priced if you bit*** think that is right to buy  a great game (65.00) and a Crappy Game (65.00) is fair then you all are playing there game they make so much money iv owned six xbox 360's since they came out and 5 out of six got RED RING OF DEATH and microsoft doesnt even care because what do i do about it buy another one so it should be fair to download a game to try it out in you want this to stop then the OVER priced games must be cheaper P.S, if you do steal games dont get online then beat it then delete the game saves after your done and bam no BAND! ......Pussys

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@gnosisispower said:

" Buying 2nd hand games is kinda stealing, because you are opting to provide absolutely no money to the publisher / developer in exchange for the product. Just because money is exchanged doesn't make it any better than piracy - all the money is going to the retailer (who had absolutely no input in the game's development) and none to the creators who use the revenue generated to fiscally support their lives.  The retailers are simply leeching off someone's hard (and creative / passionate) work.People argue that the same 2nd hand system exists within the music, book, clothing and car industry and therefore it is validated. But in all instances, the same issues apply. Personally, I couldn't care less if a car manufacturer gets any of my money, because I care little for cars. But when it comes to supporting something I love (games, books music) and specific developers, authors and musicians, then I have a duty to exchange money for their creation, thereby enabling them to continue to provide me with further creations that I can take pleasure from. Buying 2nd hand does not enable this and nor does pirating - so where's the difference? Just because the law says one is legal and the other isn't doesn't justify either system - its a question of moral integrity, not bureaucratic law.   If you love a game and want a sequel, or admire a developer and want them to continue to create games, you should buy their product 1st hand and around release - leaving it until a retailer slashes prices doesn't help cause at that point they're just offing stock (but that's a whole different story). Buying second hand and smugly claiming yourself superior to pirates is hypocritical and a fallacy. "

Uh, no.The car industry has been around for a very long time, much longer than gaming and there's a reason that they're not combating 2nd hand sales like the gaming industry. It's because one is a manufactured product and the other is intellectual property. Each car has to be built while a game is created once and then copied onto blank discs.  Cars lose thousands of dollars of value the moment it is owned by someone. But used games have very similar value to their new counter parts.
 
Publishers are fearful of the 2nd hand industry because they often know their games are shite and rely on heavy marketing/hype/buzz to make their sales, not quality of product. When a game is good and has great value and re-playability, people will be less likely to let go of their copy and sell it back to gamestop.
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I have a coworker who got a console ban for pre-release play (but not of Reach). He has seen the error of his ways but he still stays on top of the "scene" My understanding is that the leak came from the pressing plant, and that you can find a picture of the opened clamshell with disk and manual in the miscreant's hands.
 
As to catching the bastards, my eldest son has already reported a friend on his friends list for early play of Reach. Apparently I have done at least something right as a father.

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This doesn't surprise me. I used to have a co-worker who would brag to me about playing new games weeks before they came out. I always told him he was going to get busted, but never did until Modern Warfare 2 last year. This kind of thing always annoyed the hell out of me.