Sony Issues Official Statement About Hacked PS3s

" @Korolev:  you rant like an idiot  there is a eula for a reason, you dont agree to it, you dont get the service that comes with the hardware "

I'm all for legitimate (i.e. non-piracy-related) free use of one's own hardware, but honestly fuck George Hotz. The guy is a total dildo, and was thrown out of my school because of it. I hope he loses his court case.
 
Also, I'm not sure why this is news. Of course they're going to start console banning people who circumvent copy protection. Why wouldn't they?

A well worded and level headed response from Sony, well done.

" Hackers = Ginormous basement dwelling virgins "

" @outerabiz said:

" @Elusionar said:

" The PC games market died cuz of piracy. Lets not kill the console market too.   "

 

Despite the millions of console players who would vehemently proclaim that PC gaming is dead, the numbers just don’t support that conclusion. The analyst firm Forecasting and Analyzing Digital Entertainment estimated Steam’s sales for 2010, which they claim for the first time almost topped $1B.

The grand total ended up being $970M with $230M in sales in December alone. These numbers are impressive, but it should be noted that it neither counts other portals of digital distribution for games (though Steam does have about 70% of that market) nor brick and mortar sales of games, meaning that the PC market is even bigger still.
 
 
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http://blogs.forbes.com/insertcoin/2011/02/04/steam-sales-close-to-1-billion-in-2010/     forbes web "

I'm soooo happy that the PS3 has been cracked. Now maybe piracy will kill the console market, and PC gaming can return to a new golden age!   It's about that time in the consoles life cycle where even simple business machines can meet or exceed the graphical quality of most consoles. OUR TIME IS NOW!!! bwahaahaaha!! "

Dont hack it's naughty!!

Once more I say... fucking hackers.

good on sony. break the rules, get banned. seems simple enough. you know what? if you didn't like sony's policies or firmware enough to hack it, then you shouldn't have bought one in the first place.

Unfortunately, that isn't the correct story. GeoHotz didn't break the master key to enable illegal games and software. He did it to bring back the other OS feature that Sony was so kind to remove from every user's console. If the manufacturer arbitrarily removed the ability for me to use the remote locks on my car, I'd be miffed too.

" @Korolev:  The problem is not that Geohotz modded his console. The problem is that he released his method of hacking it to the world and said, "do with it as you will." "

" @Cuuniyevo said:

" @Korolev:  The problem is not that Geohotz modded his console. The problem is that he released his method of hacking it to the world and said, "do with it as you will." "

It's still just information.  

Eh, people should do what they want. 

Have absolutely no wish to so don't worry about that Sony. 

God i fucking hate hackers. Unbelievably they are usually massively succesful due to the esteem they gain doing this shit. My life savings on microsoft hiring geohot to do copyright protection on the 360 sequel. He will earn a fortune and probably marry a playboy model. 
 
Banning psn accounts of detected hackers! This is all well and good. However... 
The actual hack allows a user to run any piece of code or modded firmware as if it's signed by sony. Therefore you just remove everything that sony put into the newest firmware relating to modification detection and run the modded firmware as signed code.  
 
There is nothing sony can do. Nothing at all. They can ban the people running USB keys with hacked firmware to run pirated games. However guess what you have to do in order to use playstation network.... thats right, take the USB key out of the USB port.

I only hate what this means for translation projects and cool homebrew applications. The average person isn't going to buy two PS3s or permanently stay off PSN to play Super Cool JRPG VII in English. Sure, there haven't been as many (if any) Seiken Densetsu 3 quality Japan-only releases on PS3, but it sucks that the option has become incredibly tedious.

Hacking consoles is stupid...end of story...

" Looks like the same old, same old talking points and issues whenever a device gets cracked.  The manufacturer goes after the pirate to stem the problem at it's source and warns the consumers that they will loose warranty and online features if they crack themselves.  Sony will argue the PS3 key is Intellectual Property which the courts will have to decide if that is true.  I believe the consumer has the right to mod or alter their property but I do not believe that should done for piracy.  It just seems to undermine the discovery and motivation we get from tinkering around with a device to see how it works.  Sony does have the right to deny warranty services and cut off online services...but that's a small sacrifice one has to make. "

" I have a modified race car.  The car is not street legal, its meant "for offroad use only".  It has no emissions controls, tires unsuitable for street use, is louder than acceptable for normal street driving, and other modifications for more HP that aren't meant for on street use(N20, high stall torque converter, Heads and Cam package, etc etc all for racing only)   It is not illegal for me to modify my car, its mine, and I can do with it as I wish as long as I follow all the rules for not driving it except on closed courses, which are not regulated.  I can tell anyone I want how to do the same thing, i can post it on the internet, I can actively seek more people to tell about how to do it.  It's no concern or liability of mine what people do with that information.   Yes, people will use it to modify street cars and break the law.  That's not my fault.   However, the State (PSN) can tell me I cannot legally drive on their roads (banned from PSN).  The car company (Sony) can tell me they wont do warranty service on the car, and wash their hands of any liability or injury from using modified vehicles in an unsafe manner.  They cannot, however, tell me not to modify my car.  They cannot keep me from telling other people how to do the same thing.  And simply having a modified car does not make me a criminal.   I could easily speed, drive crazy, or simply be driving the car without proper emission controls, all of which are illegal, but I don't.  Having a modified car makes it easier to break the law by driving recklessly.    Piracy is illegal.  Modding your console that you own for any purpose is not, even if it makes breaking the law easier (or in this case possible).  So long as you're not breaking the law (IE Pirating software) you're not doing anything wrong.  Maybe someone likes to tinker with shit and wants to make a super wicked home media player, Or wants to play around with homebrew applications, or what have you.  Im sure a very large portion of the smartphone community has jail-broken/rooted phones.  This is really no different.  Its your hardware, no one can tell you how to use it, but they can tell you you can't use a modified system on their network.   "

" @Elusionar said:

" The PC games market died cuz of piracy. Lets not kill the console market too.   "

The 360 and wii have been hacked almost since launch.  I am not advocating piracy but it hasn't killed those two consoles.  I think piracy damaged the PC and PSP - but it was also like, not releasing good games. "

" @LiquidSwords: How rich. A guy from one phylum of dweebdom condescending a guy from another. Like you're a regular feature in your hometown's society pages, yeah? "

I think that for Sony this is more a point of pride. They thought their system was hack proof. They learned that nothing is. Like others have said, the PC gaming industry is booming and it's way more vulnerable to piracy than consoles.

" @SpicyRichter said:

" @outerabiz said:

" @Elusionar said:

" The PC games market died cuz of piracy. Lets not kill the console market too.   "

 

Despite the millions of console players who would vehemently proclaim that PC gaming is dead, the numbers just don’t support that conclusion. The analyst firm Forecasting and Analyzing Digital Entertainment estimated Steam’s sales for 2010, which they claim for the first time almost topped $1B.

The grand total ended up being $970M with $230M in sales in December alone. These numbers are impressive, but it should be noted that it neither counts other portals of digital distribution for games (though Steam does have about 70% of that market) nor brick and mortar sales of games, meaning that the PC market is even bigger still.
 
 
from 

http://blogs.forbes.com/insertcoin/2011/02/04/steam-sales-close-to-1-billion-in-2010/     forbes web "

I'm soooo happy that the PS3 has been cracked. Now maybe piracy will kill the console market, and PC gaming can return to a new golden age!   It's about that time in the consoles life cycle where even simple business machines can meet or exceed the graphical quality of most consoles. OUR TIME IS NOW!!! bwahaahaaha!! "

Sure, let's have piracy prosper everywhere so developers can go back to the one platform where piracy is the easiest to accomplish. I hope you're being sarcastic because that is some fucking retarded reasoning right there. "

" @Underachiever007 said:

" @Arker101 said:

" @MooseyMcMan said:

" @benpicko said:

" @Alpha1 said:

" Dont hack it's naughty!! "

Yes "

Indeed! "

For reals!! "

Absolutely. "

Word. "

" I think that for Sony this is more a point of pride. They thought their system was hack proof. They learned that nothing is. Like others have said, the PC gaming industry is booming and it's way more vulnerable to piracy than consoles. "

Damn you hackers!!

" @Xeridae said:

" I think that for Sony this is more a point of pride. They thought their system was hack proof. They learned that nothing is. Like others have said, the PC gaming industry is booming and it's way more vulnerable to piracy than consoles. "

I wouldn't really call the PC game industry "booming." Maybe the Blizzard market is booming, but that's about all. "

This wouldn't be such a hot topic if GeoHot wasn't such an attention whore.

lol

The hackers could as easy have some kind of stealth-thing to avoid being banned...

This stance is completely understandable and it's something Sony probably should do in this situation. I'm all for having complete access to my own hardware, and while I would like to mess with my PS3 and play my games online, PSN belongs to Sony and they can do what they want with it. 
 
However, everything else they're doing is sickening, even more so with some of the regular consumers supporting their actions. As much as I dislike Geohot for taking credit much of fail overfl0w's work, him losing the case would mean decreased rights for all consumers. You're not renting the hardware, you're owning it. It should not matter what it was created for, if someone wants to do something else with it, it should be well within their right to do so. 
 
Piracy is a terrible thing and if there was a way to avoid it as well as having complete access to the system, I would gladly follow it. Regardless, I will always take the side of the consumer to do what they want with the hardware. I deplore the hacking scene for the 360 as there were only one exploit to gain access to the system and it's been closed quite quickly. The only "hack" they have is forcing the DVD firmware to recognize burned discs as official; this has no capacity for running software developed by homebrew developers. I absolutely do not support this scene and will not until there is unrestricted access to the system.

Just say no?

I don't think Sony is really understanding what the modders are trying to do with their console. Yeah theirs cheaters on the online games, but that's why we have server admins to take care of that problem. So, I don't see a serious issue with using a CFW. I say everyone should do it. Throw on that CFW, backup those legit games, and play the hell out of that SNES or arcade emulator. HACKERS 4 LIFE SON (I've always wanted to say that =p)

" @S0ndor: @S0ndor said:

" @Underachiever007 said:

" @Arker101 said:

" @MooseyMcMan said:

" @benpicko said:

" @Alpha1 said:

" Dont hack it's naughty!! "

Yes "

Indeed! "

For reals!! "

Absolutely. "

Word. "

Most def "

 
If Sony wants to take a hard line on this (and it needs to), then it needs to stop pussyfooting with warnings and start banning.

I find it hilarious

I told you sony if you took out Linux you would just piss hackers off and they would pown all your security   with ease since it sucked to start with and you underestimated hackers on the very first day you took linux out.

Lets use the same “Random” key for all apps on the ps3.. 

Nice job sony they did not try that hard to get deep into the ps3 and hypervisior until you took away linux, you should have just left it alone the more    of a loser  and obvious athoryity figure telling the world how to use stuff we buy that your company is the bigger target you are and they just want to pown your restrictions more.

"However, the State (PSN) can tell me I cannot legally drive on their roads (banned from PSN).  The car company (Sony) can tell me they wont do warranty service on the car, and wash their hands of any liability or injury from using modified vehicles in an unsafe manner.  They cannot, however, tell me not to modify my car. "

doesn't hacked PS3's give people more incentive to buy a PS3 now? meaning more sales to SONY..

Hack the PS3 if you own it and want to, just stay off Sony's network. . . . Sony's.  If you paid for it, do with it as you please, you can even burn it.  This just clearly define the same ole lines Sony's always had with mods and hacks.
 
Now, on the resale side, please  don't sell your hacked box to someone who doesn't want to buy something that'll get them banned and/or just something that without their knowledge is by Sony's definition defective and/or immediately bannable.

I don't mind homebrew code, and I don't mind hacked consoles. I also don't mind the release of this. 
 
What I do mind is that the hacker released this to the public purely out of spite, allowing hackers to get online and fuck up some cool games. This could've easily been settled by the hacker (not using his name, he's an attention whore and it gets said enough) and Sony getting together and figuring out how to keep people offline, and then the release of the info for anyone who wants to kill their online access and warranty. 
 
All the hacker has gotten is a few weeks of chaos on PSN and maybe 6 months' worth of attention. By this time next year I have no doubt that the issue will be solved, the homebrewers will have their offline-only hacked PS3s, and online games will return to safety and stability. And the hacker will disappear, after his 15 minutes of fame, just like the WikiLeaks guy largely has by now (again, attention whore, not saying his name).