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The Story Behind S.978, the Controversial Streaming Bill

A look at whether everyone should really be freaking out about this new piece of legislation.

Based on what the Interent's been saying about S.978, this is an accurate representation of this bill's passage. I'm joking. A little bit.
Based on what the Interent's been saying about S.978, this is an accurate representation of this bill's passage. I'm joking. A little bit.

There have been some apocalyptic responses to S.978, a bill currently working its way through the U.S. Senate. The bill would make the online streaming of copyrighted content a felony.

The current version of the law only impacts peer-to-peer transfers and web downloads, with this wrinkle adding "online streaming" to the mix.

The response from gamers has been akin to the sky is falling.

Nothing in the law mentions video games. This bill is primarily intended to target music and movies, with organizations like the Motion Picture Association of America and Recording Industry Association of America giving the bill a thumbs up as it lumbers forward.

Just because there's no mention of games, however, doesn't mean games aren't (or couldn't be) affected, but to what extent? The heated rhetoric has lead to proclamations as grand the end of Giant Bomb (which isn't happening), prompting me to investigate the issue.

"The legislation is worded far too broadly and can easily apply to video games as a result," said Hal Halpin, president of the Entertainment Consumers Association, fresh off the Supreme Court victory. "Part of the problem that we have in educating the public, and gamers in particular, is that they don’t see games called out specifically and therefore feel that they’re excluded. In fact, it’s the opposite--because there is no explicit exclusion for video games in the bill, they are included."

The Entertainment Software Association, representing the industry's publishers, did not return a request for comment.

The bill is sponsored by Minnesota Democratic Senator Amy Klobuchar and co-sponsored by Delaware Democratic Senator Chris Coons and Texas Republican Senator John Cornyn.

One worry is the effect on stream-heavy events like EVO. As EVO is sanctioned by Capcom, there's not much to be concerned about.
One worry is the effect on stream-heavy events like EVO. As EVO is sanctioned by Capcom, there's not much to be concerned about.

At a Senate Judiciary Committee meeting about the bill on June 9 (you can watch the entire hearing over here), Klobuchar said the bill wasn't targeting ordinary individuals but egregious offenders. Her analogy involved a street peddler selling pirated CDs and DVDs. If their inventory's worth more than $2500, it's a felony. Someone doing the same thing through streaming is limited to a misdemeanor.

"The bill is not intended nor does it allow law enforcement to prosecute people who may stream videos and other copyrighted works to their friends without intending to profit from the work of the copyright owner," she said. "It also does not allow prosecutors to go after individuals that innocently post links on their blogs to copyrighted protected works."

"For this bill to affect someone, the person would have to be already committing a crime under current law," she continued. "This bill just makes the worst of those crimes and makes them a felony."

Klobuchar appears to be targeting individuals solely profiting off streaming content they didn't create. The key word is "profit," as Klobuchar claims some illegal streaming websites are already make $40 million per year without producing a thing.

Have you ever watched a stream of an NFL game through a decidedly shady looking website? She's talking about places like that. The scope of the bill, however, means it could be applied elsewhere.

"Is the passage of S.978 a catastrophe waiting to happen?" posed Andrew Ehmke, an attorney at Texas-based Haynes and Boone, LLP. "Catastophe is probably too strong of a word, but a lot of the commentary and concern about the scope and breadth of the law is legitimate."

Uncertainty strikes at the heart of this. It's why you see videos like the one embedded below showing up, where the consequences of this bill coming into law have suddenly become taking down half of YouTubes's video game content and largely diminishing the coverage coming out of events like E3.

Game videos are enormously popular on YouTube and other video services. Live streaming new games on launch day are incredibly common. Ehmke doesn't foresee those people having any problems.

"For it to be criminal copyright," he explained, "one of the elements is 'for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain.' I would hope that the FBI would not view a random YouTube user as somehow falling within the definition of 'for purposes of ... private financial gain.' However, if someone posts to YouTube with a link back to a web site, which contains banner ads that pay-per-view, that seems to move closer to 'for purposes of ... private financial gain.'"

It's hard to see anything happening on the scale of what the video suggests, but as a result of the vague wording, people speculate, with advocates like Halpin fueling the fire, suggesting that people aren't blowing this out of proportion.

"We’ve taken grief from naysayers as well," he said. "As consumer advocates, our job is not to worry about the best case scenarios, but rather the worst case ones. We ran the bill past internal and external legal experts and all agree that it’s very dangerous as presently crafted."

Some counterarguments fall back on "fair use," which allows appropriation of copyrighted content. In order to qualify for "fair use," the person must first prove the content's being used for "criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research." Proving that will be difficult for some.

S.978 is largely intended to combat websites streaming content like NFL games.
S.978 is largely intended to combat websites streaming content like NFL games.

"If the law passes, the real issue will be whether the FBI chooses to enforce the law in a given scenario, and in what manner," explained Ehmke. "While possible under the wording of the law, it seems unlikely that the FBI has the time, effort, or inclination to start arresting every poster to YouTube who gets 10 hits on his achievement guide video. That being said, the lack of willingness by the FBI to enforce probably does not give comfort to those who do not want the law passed at all."

If.

Right now, hearings on the law are over. Congress is scheduled for a month-long recess in August, unless a deal on the debt limit isn't reached and the session is extended. S.978 will either come up in the next two weeks or get pushed back until when Congress resumes in September.

Halpin said he's been in contact with the three legislators involved with the bill, but would not disclose the nature of the conversations.

"I can say that conversations are ongoing, for now," he said. "If and when things progress beyond that point, we’ll certainly keep [everyone] in the loop."

You can keep tabs on the bill through govtrack.us, a tool for monitoring bills as they slowly but surely move through our legislative bodies. Tools to contact each legislator are available on congress.org.

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@c0llect: I'd imagine Journalism is different, the companies send GB the games, right? I'd say they fall into the same category as EVO, since they would have permission by the companies to show their games. At least, I hope that is the case.

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I'm just going to wait and see what happens.

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This bill sounds like elbowpatch job on an existing law just in case there is a case where the law could so something about a big offender and they have an out. This sounds more like a futureproofing effort than anything else. Of course the DMRA was also a futureproof job and well let's just that bill wasn't made by those who truly understood the internet (especially since it was passed in 1996 and revised in 2003).

As someone who would be directly affected, as I do record footage of games for playthrough commentaries, I'm not worried. I feel like the only YT videos taken down will be the "hey listen to this song, and there's this link in the description to go download it for free!". I fully advocate them trying if the law is also willing to work to catch them. That way it all becomes at your own risk but the viewer isn't to blame because the law can just pull it down.

Besides this law if fucked up properly, would disrupt possibly millions of honest users and an entire industry, namely the video game one. But again since game companies never gave a shit about YT videos of their games after they're released, I don't think they'll use this law to pursue anything.

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Can't regulate the internet bitches!

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Lame.

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@rDr4g0n said:

@whatthegeek: Exactly what you said. They can say it's not intended for x, but that doesn't mean it won't be used against x. Just look at it this way: say GiantBomb does a quicklook or vid review of a game and they don't review it favorably. Now the publisher has a way to legal demand the review be removed.

No they wouldn't. This bill doesn't affect fair use laws, and any video Giant Bomb puts on the site will almost certainly be covered by fair use. As Patrick says in the article, it is deemed fair use if the video is for "criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research". I can't think of a single video on Giant Bomb which doesn't fall into those categories. And if somehow the video isn't covered by fair use laws, they would have every legal right to demand the video be taken down right now. A publisher has rights to demand copyright infringing content be removed today. They have had that right for years and years. This law makes posting copyright infringing content a felony, it has no bearing on a copyright holders rights to demand content be removed from the internet. Those rights already exist.

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The Street Fighter Commentator/Player/Lawyer, David "UltraDavid" Graham wrote a great explanation of 978.

While it might be a bit lengthy, it's a great read.

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It's good to see our political leaders dealing with important issues like someone streaming Pokemon episodes on Justin.TV.

I know I sleep better at night.

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@whatthegeek: Exactly.
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Clever girl, but life will find a way.

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Why are conservatives helping this AT ALL? 
 
1) The entertainment industry hates Republicans. Offer them no benefits.  I'm still all for massive surtaxes on all DVD's and CD's --- you know, so we can share the sacrifice to balance the budget.
 
2) The DMCA has already been abused beyond all rational measure. More laws in a similar vein are an intrinsically bad idea. 
 
3) The scope ALWAYS expands. This will end up banning those videos within 5 years.
 
There is literally nothing on Earth that the government having MORE control over that will be improved by their dominance.

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Basically what all this commotion over this bill has shown was that the people making a fuss about this didn't know what the existing copyright laws actually were since this bill does nothing but elevate the punishment for an already existing offense.

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If the law is a vague as Patrick's article suggests, then it will likely be killed eventually by the Supreme Court; however it can take years for it to reach their bench.  In the mean time, I would hope the FBI has other things to do than harass ignorant tread posters.  This is all a push by the recording and film industry to practically charge you for just thinking about a song or movie.  In this case, you can't even show what a game looks like without committing a crime.

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@Skogen said:

The Street Fighter Commentator/Player/Lawyer, David "UltraDavid" Graham wrote a great explanation of 978.

While it might be a bit lengthy, it's a great read.

Yeah, he seems to be getting interviewed on the topic, too, since he is a lawyer for video game related topics. Could have been interesting to hear from him here.
I definately like him over DSP...
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referencing a fucking DSP video, really?

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More control for them, is less freedom for us.

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so i guess screened.com is safe.. 

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Ha, seeing a DSP video on here makes me laugh.

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Well hopefully this doesn't pass, or I guess I could get sued for posting video reviews of games on Youtube with links back to my monetized blog. Fucking stupid.

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@Gliz9 said:

@ajamafalous: Yeah but writing a single word is almost as bad as the people that get the quest by writing "first"

They actually don't get the quest by writing first. He wrote a single word to comment first and get the quest, but if you say "first" anywhere in your comment, you don't get the quest. Dave specifically programmed it that way.

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OH NO PLEASE DON'T GET RID OF DSP 
 
lmao

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@Hockeymask27 said:
@JJOR64 said:
@lordofultima said:

@JJOR64 said:

A DSP video? Oh my god...

DSP IS ON A GIANT BOMB NEWS ARTICLE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

The video was informative though so I will cut him some slack this time.
I like DSP just sayin.
I like stabbing myself in the dick and squeezing lemon in the stab holes more than I like DSP
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oh god, if there's one thing the world really needs it's DSP getting more of an ego-burst from being acknowledged... or not =/

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 What a load of shit, so the bill will stop your averge Joe Shmoe and Mick Foley there from being an internet star. 
Surely game companies will make arrangments to allow video game review sites to stream videos, so whats the problem?

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Once again, I'm glad I don't live in the US.

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I am curious as to what real progress they think this would make. 100% of those websites that host television and movies aren't American based; this bill will do nothing. 

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There's nothing wrong with the intention of the legislators, but this bill needs to be rewritten to lessen its broadness.

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@Nitrocore said:

What a load of shit, so the bill will stop your averge Joe Shmoe and Mick Foley there from being an internet star. Surely game companies will make arrangments to allow video game review sites to stream videos, so whats the problem?

The bill will stop those people from profiting directly off their videos, not from them producing the videos and possibly becoming e-famous. Did you read the article? The law is still bogus. The government shouldn't be protecting private businesses, those businesses should take care of their own problems.

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@MikeinSC said:

There is literally nothing on Earth that the government having MORE control over that will be improved by their dominance.

I don't know, I think government run health care has a good shot at being better than the current system.

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Am I the only person who thinks that S.978 sounds like a video container?

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Seems odd that you could deem a video of a game as copyright infringement. Shouldn't the whole package be considered? The fact that someone is watching a video means they've already been taken out of the interactivity (ie: What makes a game a game). You're just watching some shitty storytelling.

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So once again the internet blows up because people (and gamers in particular) are stupid? I'm getting tired of them shouting "the sky is falling" every time something they don't like happens. This happened like two days ago when we was the PSN pass thing attached to Resistance 3. *sigh*
 
If you're not profiting from it, you're not committing a crime, and you have no problem. We're fine. And they're rightly going to go after criminals. Nothing wrong here. Move along.

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The real tragedy is that it WILL affect online streamers of games like Starcraft 2 and Streetfigher IV against the will of the publishers of those games. Many people in the competitive gaming scene actually now make most of their money from streaming, and that will be gone should this bill come to pass.

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I wouldn't expect game companies to enforce this, even if able. Streams aren't costing them money. Nobody's going "Well I was gonna buy Street Fighter, but I guess I'll just watch it on stream instead!". Streams actually help promote games.

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@DivineCC said:

@MikeinSC said:

There is literally nothing on Earth that the government having MORE control over that will be improved by their dominance.

I don't know, I think government run health care has a good shot at being better than the current system.

Jesus, shut up. Do you want to start an unrelated flame war? Freaking troll.

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I hope this doesn't pass.

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Did anyone ask for this bill? 
 
I don't see gamers asking for it, I can't see how developers would want this either as it would effectively kill "word of mouth" advertising of their games.***    
 
What the fuck happend to "fair use"?!?
 
 
*** games are not like movies, games have to be actively played to get the full experience; if watching it on Youtube is the full experience, then you might want to re-consider how you are making games.

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haha DSP represent 

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Well considering I use the sorts of websites targeting NFL games because I my content provider doesn't offer the games, I really hope this doesn't pass.

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@NaCl said:
Did anyone ask for this bill? 
 
I don't see gamers asking for it, I can't see how developers would want this either as it would effectively kill "word of mouth" advertising of their games.***    
 
What the fuck happend to "fair use"?!?  *** games are not like movies, games have to be actively played to get the full experience; if watching it on Youtube is the full experience, then you might want to re-consider how you are making games.
TV companies asked for it. They have money to lobby politicians to draft legislation like this. Therefore, it exists.
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Thank you for this Patrick.  Haven't really been able to avoid noticing this when watching Youtube recently so I'm glad to be better informed.

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MY MOVES AREN'T COMING OUT! DO YOU HEAR ME PRESSING BUTTONS!?

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I like creating machinima in my spare time, so this would be a major kick to the nuts for me.

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@Skooky said:

Who the fuck is DSP?

You have no idea how much I envy you. DSP is the new Barney. If there are pre-teens in your house who are at all into video games, you would probably (and unfortunately) know who DSP is.

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sooooooo......streaming starcraft and making lots of ad revenue?

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@bcc said:
@NaCl said:
Did anyone ask for this bill? 
 
I don't see gamers asking for it, I can't see how developers would want this either as it would effectively kill "word of mouth" advertising of their games.***    
 
What the fuck happend to "fair use"?!?  *** games are not like movies, games have to be actively played to get the full experience; if watching it on Youtube is the full experience, then you might want to re-consider how you are making games.
TV companies asked for it. They have money to lobby politicians to draft legislation like this. Therefore, it exists.
This.
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Pat I love your writing and understand why you used the DSP video but man fuck DSP so annoying

also Nilay Patel at this is my next wrote a great piece looking at it and so did UltraDavid over at shoryuken

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@Agent47 said:

@Sogeman: Wow I didn't know there were so many dicks on GB.

Are you kidding? This place is a total sausagefest. I mean, what?