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The Story Behind S.978, the Controversial Streaming Bill

A look at whether everyone should really be freaking out about this new piece of legislation.

Based on what the Interent's been saying about S.978, this is an accurate representation of this bill's passage. I'm joking. A little bit.
Based on what the Interent's been saying about S.978, this is an accurate representation of this bill's passage. I'm joking. A little bit.

There have been some apocalyptic responses to S.978, a bill currently working its way through the U.S. Senate. The bill would make the online streaming of copyrighted content a felony.

The current version of the law only impacts peer-to-peer transfers and web downloads, with this wrinkle adding "online streaming" to the mix.

The response from gamers has been akin to the sky is falling.

Nothing in the law mentions video games. This bill is primarily intended to target music and movies, with organizations like the Motion Picture Association of America and Recording Industry Association of America giving the bill a thumbs up as it lumbers forward.

Just because there's no mention of games, however, doesn't mean games aren't (or couldn't be) affected, but to what extent? The heated rhetoric has lead to proclamations as grand the end of Giant Bomb (which isn't happening), prompting me to investigate the issue.

"The legislation is worded far too broadly and can easily apply to video games as a result," said Hal Halpin, president of the Entertainment Consumers Association, fresh off the Supreme Court victory. "Part of the problem that we have in educating the public, and gamers in particular, is that they don’t see games called out specifically and therefore feel that they’re excluded. In fact, it’s the opposite--because there is no explicit exclusion for video games in the bill, they are included."

The Entertainment Software Association, representing the industry's publishers, did not return a request for comment.

The bill is sponsored by Minnesota Democratic Senator Amy Klobuchar and co-sponsored by Delaware Democratic Senator Chris Coons and Texas Republican Senator John Cornyn.

One worry is the effect on stream-heavy events like EVO. As EVO is sanctioned by Capcom, there's not much to be concerned about.
One worry is the effect on stream-heavy events like EVO. As EVO is sanctioned by Capcom, there's not much to be concerned about.

At a Senate Judiciary Committee meeting about the bill on June 9 (you can watch the entire hearing over here), Klobuchar said the bill wasn't targeting ordinary individuals but egregious offenders. Her analogy involved a street peddler selling pirated CDs and DVDs. If their inventory's worth more than $2500, it's a felony. Someone doing the same thing through streaming is limited to a misdemeanor.

"The bill is not intended nor does it allow law enforcement to prosecute people who may stream videos and other copyrighted works to their friends without intending to profit from the work of the copyright owner," she said. "It also does not allow prosecutors to go after individuals that innocently post links on their blogs to copyrighted protected works."

"For this bill to affect someone, the person would have to be already committing a crime under current law," she continued. "This bill just makes the worst of those crimes and makes them a felony."

Klobuchar appears to be targeting individuals solely profiting off streaming content they didn't create. The key word is "profit," as Klobuchar claims some illegal streaming websites are already make $40 million per year without producing a thing.

Have you ever watched a stream of an NFL game through a decidedly shady looking website? She's talking about places like that. The scope of the bill, however, means it could be applied elsewhere.

"Is the passage of S.978 a catastrophe waiting to happen?" posed Andrew Ehmke, an attorney at Texas-based Haynes and Boone, LLP. "Catastophe is probably too strong of a word, but a lot of the commentary and concern about the scope and breadth of the law is legitimate."

Uncertainty strikes at the heart of this. It's why you see videos like the one embedded below showing up, where the consequences of this bill coming into law have suddenly become taking down half of YouTubes's video game content and largely diminishing the coverage coming out of events like E3.

Game videos are enormously popular on YouTube and other video services. Live streaming new games on launch day are incredibly common. Ehmke doesn't foresee those people having any problems.

"For it to be criminal copyright," he explained, "one of the elements is 'for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain.' I would hope that the FBI would not view a random YouTube user as somehow falling within the definition of 'for purposes of ... private financial gain.' However, if someone posts to YouTube with a link back to a web site, which contains banner ads that pay-per-view, that seems to move closer to 'for purposes of ... private financial gain.'"

It's hard to see anything happening on the scale of what the video suggests, but as a result of the vague wording, people speculate, with advocates like Halpin fueling the fire, suggesting that people aren't blowing this out of proportion.

"We’ve taken grief from naysayers as well," he said. "As consumer advocates, our job is not to worry about the best case scenarios, but rather the worst case ones. We ran the bill past internal and external legal experts and all agree that it’s very dangerous as presently crafted."

Some counterarguments fall back on "fair use," which allows appropriation of copyrighted content. In order to qualify for "fair use," the person must first prove the content's being used for "criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research." Proving that will be difficult for some.

S.978 is largely intended to combat websites streaming content like NFL games.
S.978 is largely intended to combat websites streaming content like NFL games.

"If the law passes, the real issue will be whether the FBI chooses to enforce the law in a given scenario, and in what manner," explained Ehmke. "While possible under the wording of the law, it seems unlikely that the FBI has the time, effort, or inclination to start arresting every poster to YouTube who gets 10 hits on his achievement guide video. That being said, the lack of willingness by the FBI to enforce probably does not give comfort to those who do not want the law passed at all."

If.

Right now, hearings on the law are over. Congress is scheduled for a month-long recess in August, unless a deal on the debt limit isn't reached and the session is extended. S.978 will either come up in the next two weeks or get pushed back until when Congress resumes in September.

Halpin said he's been in contact with the three legislators involved with the bill, but would not disclose the nature of the conversations.

"I can say that conversations are ongoing, for now," he said. "If and when things progress beyond that point, we’ll certainly keep [everyone] in the loop."

You can keep tabs on the bill through govtrack.us, a tool for monitoring bills as they slowly but surely move through our legislative bodies. Tools to contact each legislator are available on congress.org.

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Meh, if all this does is prevent the streaming of entire game walkthoughs that people are paying to watch then whatever, doesn't bother me. 
 
It will kind of suck if some of my favorite anime streaming sites get taken down though.  I use them to make my purchasing decisions quite often and it takes forever for most of them to get dubbed, let alone released local officially.  I don't like waiting countless months and some times years to watch the things I want to watch damn it.  So in regards to games, whatever, in regards to non games, fuck this could ruin a lot.

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I hope this doesn't happen, it really helps my day through out work watching random video games.

If it does, this just shows that the government is slowly taking our freedom in America.

...."One nation under god, with liberty, and justice for all (except for the corporations)."

Complete bull.

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@AuthenticM said:

There's nothing wrong with the intention of the legislators, but this bill needs to be rewritten to lessen its broadness.

Yeah, basically.
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patrick, you need to proofread your articles, or ask someone else too.

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I think the problem is the possibility that this law could be abused in the future. Even if the intention is not to target people uploading game videos, we're worried. I might be making to obvious a point but I hope that explains the issue.

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@DrEmettBrown said:

I hope this doesn't happen, it really helps my day through out work watching random video games.

If it does, this just shows that the government is slowly taking our freedom in America.

...."One nation under god, with liberty, and justice for all (except for the corporations)."

Complete bull.

Did you even read the article? It basically says not to worry about video game streams being affected.

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@seanfoster said:

I saw a DPS video where he was playing through Duke Nukem Forever laughing his fucking ass off. Eventually I realized he wasn't being ironic.

So you want to say that liking DNF implies that you are stupid? 
Because some people (like me) actually did like the game and didn't hate on it because the almighty Jeff didn't like it.
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What is with all the broadly written legislation as of late? I wish there were some strict and stiff penalties or fines for wasting the court's or senate's time on broadly or poorly worded bills. I don't think my tax dollars should pay for this waste of time. And there should be some deterrent healthy enough to keep special interest groups and their silly bills out of the system without dire need.
 
Make fun of Florida all you want, but my state disbarred Jack Thompson. This is how you take care of lawyers who waste your time. There should also be stiff penalties for the Amy Klobuchar's and Leland Yee's of the world who can't figure out how to write clear concise bills before wasting time and money.

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If the key word here is 'profit,' then youtube videos of game footage will not be included. This bill may be flawed, but it's probably for the best.

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@Wiseblood@MattyFTM The key change here is that this bill will change streaming/uploading from a civil law to a criminal law. This means that if the bill passes, the government will be able to prosecute regardless of the opinions of the copyright holder. It's not hard to imagine the Leland Yees of the world cackling with sick glee if this law goes through.
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@LordCmdrStryker said:

@corewalker said:

IMO this sounds a lot like Obama saying the federal gov. isn't going after grandmas with cancer using med pot, only to go after grandmas with cancer using med pot.

It's even worse than that. All the terrible bills we see proposed these last couple of years are a direct result of lobbyists from big media companies. The same companies who have in the past hired those "rights protection" thug companies to blanket sue everyone who they know cannot pay and then slyly offer to go away quietly if they get paid off, which is immoral and reprehensible. These are the guys who are trying to pass this bill.

Yeah, I think we should be scared.

Well put. Many people fail to realize that the private sector and the government (our representatives) are at odds on most issues. Corporate interests want to protect their vast profits, and to do so they must exploit government. The U.S. socializes risk while privatizing profit.

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@MikeinSC said:

Why are conservatives helping this AT ALL? 1) The entertainment industry hates Republicans. Offer them no benefits. I'm still all for massive surtaxes on all DVD's and CD's --- you know, so we can share the sacrifice to balance the budget. 2) The DMCA has already been abused beyond all rational measure. More laws in a similar vein are an intrinsically bad idea. 3) The scope ALWAYS expands. This will end up banning those videos within 5 years. There is literally nothing on Earth that the government having MORE control over that will be improved by their dominance.

Why would the entertainment industry be made up of anything but Republicans? Just because Hollywood celebrities are traditionally liberal doesn't mean that the people who make money off of them share the same beliefs. I should add that the government's 'meddling' gave us virtually every social liberalization of the 20th century, everything from women's rights to civil rights to marijuana decriminalization.

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@c0llect said:
' However, if someone posts to YouTube with a link back to a web site, which contains banner ads that pay-per-view, that seems to move closer to 'for purposes of ... private financial gain.' Is... Is that not what giant bomb does? Dos this site not display copyrighted content alongside ad banners? I mean, I doubt game companies mind the free press, but still.
The difference would be "without permission of the copyright holder".  They (GB) have mentioned discussing quick looks with PR which implies at least some of them are explicitly authorized.  Could even be agreed on a publisher lever - the publisher authorizing blanket coverage of their games - subject to embargoes - knowing they will get more good press to balance out the jokey QLs.
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@Darkstorn said:

If the key word here is 'profit,' then youtube videos of game footage will not be included. This bill may be flawed, but it's probably for the best.

Well what about this? There are things like the Let's Play Archive, which links to a bunch of full playthroughs (in screenshot or video form) of video games. Some of these are FANTASTIC entertainment in their own right, whether they're funny or informative, whatever. That site has ads on it, because bandwidth costs are an issue whenever you have a site like that, just to keep the thing up and running. Would this bill make it impossible for the LP Archive to exist because there are ads on the site?

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Holy Shit DSP is annoying. Patrick thanks for the level headed article on this law finally. I have read some stuff on SRK that is crazily inaccurate concerning the actual law and the laws of copyright. .

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"The bill would make the online streaming of copyrighted content a felony."

"Nothing in the law mentions video games."

Aren't videogames copyrighted content?

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LOL at all the moronic DSP haters who come out of the woodwork because my video has gotten linked to all over the internet. This article refers to my video because after I read UltraDavid's article, I "broke" the story to the YouTube community and directly referenced the Shoryuken.com article, which is why I've gotten over 500k views and everyone else followed suit with making a video after I spread the word.  I also read articles such as Nilay Patel's, who was completely incorrect in reasoning, and debunked rumors about this bill in a follow-up video.
 
YES, I actually am an intelligent human who understands the reprecussions this bill would have if passed in its current form. I've been following it closely and see it as the beginning of a very slippery slope when it comes to censorship and the internet. Overnight, you will see companies like Machinima, TheGameStation, etc. disappear since none of them have explicit permission from copyright holders to make and/or advertise on video game footage. And streams will no longer exist, at least in the short-term, until a method to contact large corporations and get explicit permission to stream video game footage is created (there is no process right now, so if the law goes into effect, expect months where a new sloppy process is hashed out).
 
And YES, you are all stupid for joining in the "let's bash DSP" bandwagon when zero people in the comments have had a legitimate reason why you seem to hate me.

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The bill would make the online streaming of copyrighted content a felony.

Except by the copyright holder, presumably. Because everything is implicitly copyrighted to the original author, so otherwise, nothing at all would be streamable. Which would be an odd bill for the MPAA to support.

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I honestly do not understand the ESA or the RIAA at all. The amount of money that movies and DVD sales make is staggering, so I don't see why they would want to spend money and resources to "crack down" on people that, according to the article, need to have a $1,500 dollar inventory to be committing a felony. That's like having Bonnie and Clyde go after lemonade stands while a sack of money lays unguarded across the street (probably a stupid analogy). The fact that the bill is confusing people that are illegally selling DVDs with people that are doing the equivalent of playing a movie for a group of friends, is just odd. 
 
Also targeting websites that link to websites streaming movies is pointless. It's like that whole deal with The Pirate Bay; legally those websites aren't doing anything bad, and if you look at it in a certain perspective, are actually helping the RIAA find websites that stream these movies. Basically I think this is a huge waste of time, and the ESA and RIAA are making fools of themselves.

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I don't see why so many of you are hating on DSP. He's one of the most reliable sources on Youtube to watch a game playthough, especially for a system you don't own. And before someone says it; no I'm not some thirteen year old riding his dick. Some people have to mature a bit on these forums.

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@DarksydePhil: you suck
 
 that is all
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@Agent47 said:

@Sogeman: Wow I didn't know there were so many dicks on GB.

Are you kidding? This place is a total sausagefest. I mean, what?

hahaha that made me laugh
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@NickL said:

@DrEmettBrown said:

I hope this doesn't happen, it really helps my day through out work watching random video games.

If it does, this just shows that the government is slowly taking our freedom in America.

...."One nation under god, with liberty, and justice for all (except for the corporations)."

Complete bull.

Did you even read the article? It basically says not to worry about video game streams being affected.

I don't think it says that at all. It says a lot of could happens. Not necessarily will. But easily could.
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If they are doing this thing where they say that you can't profit off of the youtube videos, then a very large number of the quality youtubers would no longer be able to do videos. Someone like xcalizorz on youtube, for example, has a contract with Machinima.com, and makes money for all of the videos that they are willing to put ads on (which is normally all of them). A number of these individuals make a decent living off of just these videos, which seems like it would be a pretty big problem.

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@DSP
I watched your video and think it was actually really informative. At least you actually care about things like this and don't say "It's all not that bad!".

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They posted a DSP video. Here.
 
What.
 
 EDIT: Not hating on him, just surprised.

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@SockLobster: I don't get it.I mean I get if you don't like him nobody likes everything but he is not as bad as people claim him to be.Like I guess they see him as some dirty mouth jackass from his videos, but I dunno he seems like a really cool guy in person.
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@raikoh05 said:
patrick, you need to proofread your articles, or ask someone else too.
REALLY?
 
Muphry's law in action, everyone!
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@DarksydePhil: You're a massive piece of shit, go complain somewhere else.

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@Raineko said:

@DSP I watched your video and think it was actually really informative. At least you actually care about things like this and don't say "It's all not that bad!".

Maybe the ones saying 'it's all not that bad' also care, but have looked into it further and realise there is the absolute tiniest chance of this actually affecting people with free to air streams?

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@raikoh05 said:

patrick, you need to proofread your articles, or ask someone else too.

We do. If there's an issue in the story, speak up.

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@Ratinho said:

@Raineko said:

@DSP I watched your video and think it was actually really informative. At least you actually care about things like this and don't say "It's all not that bad!".

Maybe the ones saying 'it's all not that bad' also care, but have looked into it further and realise there is the absolute tiniest chance of this actually affecting people with free to air streams?

Because It's your kind of mentality that would allow this bill to pass. You don't know what you're talking about.
 
Who cares if people are doing free-to-air streams or streams with ads on them? This isn't the major result that the bill will have.
 
Youtube is a for-profit US-based company. If this bill passes, they could be considered to have MILLIONS of videos that violate the law, and because this bill makes it a felony which can be pursued by criminal law (i.e., the government can put you in jail instead of just the copyright holder seeking damages), YouTube WILL be forced to take down all video-game related footage. They would be seen as the largest offender in the world. In one fell swoop, half of YouTube would vanish and NOBODY would be able to continue uploading video game related videos to that site. 
 
Sure, Joe Nobody who streams a local Street Fighter tournament more than likely won't be affected. But imagine not being able to go to  YouTube and look up ANY kind of videos related to gaming? No reviews, no let's plays, no online multiplayer matches, NOTHING. That is what this bill WILL do if it passes in it's current form. Are you OKAY with that?
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@DarksydePhil said:

@Ratinho said:

@Raineko said:

@DSP I watched your video and think it was actually really informative. At least you actually care about things like this and don't say "It's all not that bad!".

Maybe the ones saying 'it's all not that bad' also care, but have looked into it further and realise there is the absolute tiniest chance of this actually affecting people with free to air streams?

Because It's your kind of mentality that would allow this bill to pass. You don't know what you're talking about. Who cares if people are doing free-to-air streams or streams with ads on them? This isn't the major result that the bill will have. Youtube is a for-profit US-based company. If this bill passes, they could be considered to have MILLIONS of videos that violate the law, and because this bill makes it a felony which can be pursued by criminal law (i.e., the government can put you in jail instead of just the copyright holder seeking damages), YouTube WILL be forced to take down all video-game related footage. They would be seen as the largest offender in the world. In one fell swoop, half of YouTube would vanish and NOBODY would be able to continue uploading video game related videos to that site. Sure, Joe Nobody who streams a local Street Fighter tournament more than likely won't be affected. But imagine not being able to go to YouTube and look up ANY kind of videos related to gaming? No reviews, no let's plays, no online multiplayer matches, NOTHING. That is what this bill WILL do if it passes in it's current form. Are you OKAY with that?

There is very little evidence that would happen. This "the sky is falling" attitude raises awareness but numbs people to paying attention the next time. The bill's intended to target illegal streaming websites--people already doing something illegal. Not to say the bill can't be abused, but you're extrapolating a conclusion that isn't available with the evidence at hand.

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@RenMcKormack said:

Holy Shit DSP is annoying. Patrick thanks for the level headed article on this law finally. I have read some stuff on SRK that is crazily inaccurate concerning the actual law and the laws of copyright. .

I trust you aren't referring to the articles that UltraDavid wrote since he's a lawyer specializing in media, entertainment, internet and copyright law.

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DSP actually has a business degree and is not a total dummy. He just sucks at video games. XD

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There are many people in the video game community who stream videos of gameplay for the express purpose of financial gain, especially in the Starcraft community. Day[9] and TotalBiscuit, for instance, essentially make a living streaming gameplay of StarCraft 2 (a copyrighted work covered under this law) and providing commentary.

To carelessly brush this under the rug and say "don't worry, they COULD prosecute gamers, but they probably won't" seems naive and careless to me.

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@DarksydePhil said:

@Ratinho said:

@Raineko said:

@DSP I watched your video and think it was actually really informative. At least you actually care about things like this and don't say "It's all not that bad!".

Maybe the ones saying 'it's all not that bad' also care, but have looked into it further and realise there is the absolute tiniest chance of this actually affecting people with free to air streams?

Because It's your kind of mentality that would allow this bill to pass. You don't know what you're talking about. Who cares if people are doing free-to-air streams or streams with ads on them? This isn't the major result that the bill will have. Youtube is a for-profit US-based company. If this bill passes, they could be considered to have MILLIONS of videos that violate the law, and because this bill makes it a felony which can be pursued by criminal law (i.e., the government can put you in jail instead of just the copyright holder seeking damages), YouTube WILL be forced to take down all video-game related footage. They would be seen as the largest offender in the world. In one fell swoop, half of YouTube would vanish and NOBODY would be able to continue uploading video game related videos to that site. Sure, Joe Nobody who streams a local Street Fighter tournament more than likely won't be affected. But imagine not being able to go to YouTube and look up ANY kind of videos related to gaming? No reviews, no let's plays, no online multiplayer matches, NOTHING. That is what this bill WILL do if it passes in it's current form. Are you OKAY with that?

I've been a fan since Street Fighter 4. Keep doing what you're doing, DSP.

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Why do we need a new law?  The content owners can use civil court to protect their content.  The federal government does not need to get involved.  Unless they aren't telling the whole truth about how they plan on using this new law.  No one asks for more power, promises not to abuse it, and then keeps that promise.  They promptly turn around and fuck you raw with it.
 
This law does not need to exist.

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@patrickklepek said:

@DarksydePhil said:

@Ratinho said:

@Raineko said:

@DSP I watched your video and think it was actually really informative. At least you actually care about things like this and don't say "It's all not that bad!".

Maybe the ones saying 'it's all not that bad' also care, but have looked into it further and realise there is the absolute tiniest chance of this actually affecting people with free to air streams?

Because It's your kind of mentality that would allow this bill to pass. You don't know what you're talking about. Who cares if people are doing free-to-air streams or streams with ads on them? This isn't the major result that the bill will have. Youtube is a for-profit US-based company. If this bill passes, they could be considered to have MILLIONS of videos that violate the law, and because this bill makes it a felony which can be pursued by criminal law (i.e., the government can put you in jail instead of just the copyright holder seeking damages), YouTube WILL be forced to take down all video-game related footage. They would be seen as the largest offender in the world. In one fell swoop, half of YouTube would vanish and NOBODY would be able to continue uploading video game related videos to that site. Sure, Joe Nobody who streams a local Street Fighter tournament more than likely won't be affected. But imagine not being able to go to YouTube and look up ANY kind of videos related to gaming? No reviews, no let's plays, no online multiplayer matches, NOTHING. That is what this bill WILL do if it passes in it's current form. Are you OKAY with that?

There is very little evidence that would happen. This "the sky is falling" attitude raises awareness but numbs people to paying attention the next time. The bill's intended to target illegal streaming websites--people already doing something illegal. Not to say the bill can't be abused, but you're extrapolating a conclusion that isn't available with the evidence at hand.

But the key thing here is that it could happen. In its current iteration, S.978 could be stretched to accommodate DSP's doomsday scenario. All it takes is one asshole with a DA in their pocket and a dream.

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I don't watch many of DSPs videos but I watched several parts of his New Vegas playthrough and he didn't appear to be a stupid person, don't know why people here act so insulting.
Anyways back to topic pls.

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@Nautilus1515 said:

I don't see why so many of you are hating on DSP. He's one of the most reliable sources on Youtube to watch a game playthough, especially for a system you don't own. And before someone says it; no I'm not some thirteen year old riding his dick. Some people have to mature a bit on these forums.

While it's true that his videos are a good source of information about new games etc, I think I'm far from the only one that watches a lot of them despite his "witty" commentary (evidenced by the consistent flaming he seems to get). People wouldn't keep on leaving bad comments if they weren't watching the videos, they're just complaining about the part of the content they don't really enjoy. Also, on a side note, I do realize they would've been way more boring without commentary, but that still doesn't make his commentary not annoying. 
 
Combined with his "YouTube-star" (as I like to call it) approach to criticism, where anyone that complains about something is an idiot and can just fuck off, almost all of the content that he himself brings to his videos is what makes people dislike him. If it weren't for the HD full playthroughs of newly released games he releases he would've never gotten the traction he's got at all. Just look what happened here. Someone obviously told him about the thread, so he came to the site, made an account and the first thing he says in his reply is "LOL at all the moronic DSP haters who come out of the woodwork because my video has gotten linked to all over the internet." Do you see how he might rub people the wrong way ?
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When I first heard about this bill, I was actually quite concerned about the consequences. Everything sounded so extreme: "This is the end of youtube" "this is the end of gaming videos" etc.. But then I actually read the bill and the laws it was amending and realized that everything had been blown way out of proportions, as usual.
 
In its current form, all S.978 does is amend current copyright laws to add the streaming (or: "performances performance by electronic means") to the list of possible copyright infringements (which previously was just about anything but that) - something I already assumed to be illegal. The same limitations of the copyright infringement laws, such as fair use, still apply, and nothing else has been changed.
 
Considering how companies like Youtube have handled copyright previously (immediately taking down videos on copyright claims,) I really don't think anybody should be concerned about any consequences to their online lives, because, unless you illegally stream movies in public places (in which case: LEG IT!!,) then this won't affect you.
 
Nevertheless, I still find the bill quite unnecessary. It's not like streaming movies was considered perfectly legal by judges before.

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Ehmke offends me, because I made an achievement guide on Youtube and got less than 10 hits so far...

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They already go after youtubers on mass for having music in the background or small clips of movies or something. What makes them think they wont go after them for videos of games?

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@not_a_moo_cow: You're forgetting the fact that S.978 also changes previous copyright laws from civil laws to criminal laws. Before it was at the discretion of the copyright holder whether or not to pursue legal action. In most cases they didn't bother because it wasn't worth their time/money and wouldn't be in their best interests. If S.978 passes it will fall under the purview of the government to decide who they want to prosecute. All it would take is one asshole in a position of power in the government to start an internet crusade with this law as their weapon.

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@patrickklepek said:

@DarksydePhil said:

@Ratinho said:

@Raineko said:

@DSP I watched your video and think it was actually really informative. At least you actually care about things like this and don't say "It's all not that bad!".

Maybe the ones saying 'it's all not that bad' also care, but have looked into it further and realise there is the absolute tiniest chance of this actually affecting people with free to air streams?

Because It's your kind of mentality that would allow this bill to pass. You don't know what you're talking about. Who cares if people are doing free-to-air streams or streams with ads on them? This isn't the major result that the bill will have. Youtube is a for-profit US-based company. If this bill passes, they could be considered to have MILLIONS of videos that violate the law, and because this bill makes it a felony which can be pursued by criminal law (i.e., the government can put you in jail instead of just the copyright holder seeking damages), YouTube WILL be forced to take down all video-game related footage. They would be seen as the largest offender in the world. In one fell swoop, half of YouTube would vanish and NOBODY would be able to continue uploading video game related videos to that site. Sure, Joe Nobody who streams a local Street Fighter tournament more than likely won't be affected. But imagine not being able to go to YouTube and look up ANY kind of videos related to gaming? No reviews, no let's plays, no online multiplayer matches, NOTHING. That is what this bill WILL do if it passes in it's current form. Are you OKAY with that?

There is very little evidence that would happen. This "the sky is falling" attitude raises awareness but numbs people to paying attention the next time. The bill's intended to target illegal streaming websites--people already doing something illegal. Not to say the bill can't be abused, but you're extrapolating a conclusion that isn't available with the evidence at hand.

I agree with your point but I also have to agree with StarvingGamer. There's no reason whatsoever for this bill to be so broad and for it to even be possible to the "doomsday scenario" interpretation. It should be amended so that some holier-than-thou government crusader doesn't misconstrue its true meaning and go after YouTube, Machinima, and others. Just the POSSIBILITY is unacceptable.
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@Ares42 said:
Someone obviously told him about the thread, so he came to the site, made an account and the first thing he says in his reply is "LOL at all the moronic DSP haters who come out of the woodwork because my video has gotten linked to all over the internet." Do you see how he might rub people the wrong way ?
Your account is inaccurate. Someone told me about the thread, I came to the site, I created an account and the first thing I saw were multiple morons saying that I suck, and telling the author of the article that he's in the wrong for linking to my video, which is the original video that broke the story to the internet and is very informative. Totally taking the discussion in the wrong direction, for all the wrong reasons. Sorry but those people deserve to be called what they really are - we're trying to be productive here and prevent this destructive bill from being passed. Nobody cares if you like me or not and this isn't the place to voice those opinions.
 
Now, back to the topic, thanks.
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@patrickklepek: Yeah and the patriot act was meant to target terrorists we see how that worked out.
 
The DMCA is already bad enough and abused on mass on youtube  and That was only meant to target copyright abuse for profit too.
 You are suggesting a law that is suppose to be targeted at a small thing but is written like it's targeted at everything isn't going to be used for everything.  Unless the law is written in a narrow enough way to prevent them from using it in a way they will. Giving a government more power then it needs to do something is never a good idea.  
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@DarksydePhil said:
@Ares42 said:
Someone obviously told him about the thread, so he came to the site, made an account and the first thing he says in his reply is "LOL at all the moronic DSP haters who come out of the woodwork because my video has gotten linked to all over the internet." Do you see how he might rub people the wrong way ?
Your account is inaccurate. Someone told me about the thread, I came to the site, I created an account and the first thing I saw were multiple morons saying that I suck, and telling the author of the article that he's in the wrong for linking to my video, which is the original video that broke the story to the internet and is very informative. Totally taking the discussion in the wrong direction, for all the wrong reasons. Sorry but those people deserve to be called what they really are - we're trying to be productive here and prevent this destructive bill from being passed. Nobody cares if you like me or not and this isn't the place to voice those opinions.  Now, back to the topic, thanks.
Here's the deal, the moment you decided to seek out and specifically address the fact that people (myself included) complained to some "random" site for linking to your video you waved any privilege to try to stay topical. The first post you made here both started and finished on that exact topic, but now you want everyone else to just ignore that ? if you wanted to stay topical, you should've kept to that yourself.