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The Story Behind S.978, the Controversial Streaming Bill

A look at whether everyone should really be freaking out about this new piece of legislation.

Based on what the Interent's been saying about S.978, this is an accurate representation of this bill's passage. I'm joking. A little bit.
Based on what the Interent's been saying about S.978, this is an accurate representation of this bill's passage. I'm joking. A little bit.

There have been some apocalyptic responses to S.978, a bill currently working its way through the U.S. Senate. The bill would make the online streaming of copyrighted content a felony.

The current version of the law only impacts peer-to-peer transfers and web downloads, with this wrinkle adding "online streaming" to the mix.

The response from gamers has been akin to the sky is falling.

Nothing in the law mentions video games. This bill is primarily intended to target music and movies, with organizations like the Motion Picture Association of America and Recording Industry Association of America giving the bill a thumbs up as it lumbers forward.

Just because there's no mention of games, however, doesn't mean games aren't (or couldn't be) affected, but to what extent? The heated rhetoric has lead to proclamations as grand the end of Giant Bomb (which isn't happening), prompting me to investigate the issue.

"The legislation is worded far too broadly and can easily apply to video games as a result," said Hal Halpin, president of the Entertainment Consumers Association, fresh off the Supreme Court victory. "Part of the problem that we have in educating the public, and gamers in particular, is that they don’t see games called out specifically and therefore feel that they’re excluded. In fact, it’s the opposite--because there is no explicit exclusion for video games in the bill, they are included."

The Entertainment Software Association, representing the industry's publishers, did not return a request for comment.

The bill is sponsored by Minnesota Democratic Senator Amy Klobuchar and co-sponsored by Delaware Democratic Senator Chris Coons and Texas Republican Senator John Cornyn.

One worry is the effect on stream-heavy events like EVO. As EVO is sanctioned by Capcom, there's not much to be concerned about.
One worry is the effect on stream-heavy events like EVO. As EVO is sanctioned by Capcom, there's not much to be concerned about.

At a Senate Judiciary Committee meeting about the bill on June 9 (you can watch the entire hearing over here), Klobuchar said the bill wasn't targeting ordinary individuals but egregious offenders. Her analogy involved a street peddler selling pirated CDs and DVDs. If their inventory's worth more than $2500, it's a felony. Someone doing the same thing through streaming is limited to a misdemeanor.

"The bill is not intended nor does it allow law enforcement to prosecute people who may stream videos and other copyrighted works to their friends without intending to profit from the work of the copyright owner," she said. "It also does not allow prosecutors to go after individuals that innocently post links on their blogs to copyrighted protected works."

"For this bill to affect someone, the person would have to be already committing a crime under current law," she continued. "This bill just makes the worst of those crimes and makes them a felony."

Klobuchar appears to be targeting individuals solely profiting off streaming content they didn't create. The key word is "profit," as Klobuchar claims some illegal streaming websites are already make $40 million per year without producing a thing.

Have you ever watched a stream of an NFL game through a decidedly shady looking website? She's talking about places like that. The scope of the bill, however, means it could be applied elsewhere.

"Is the passage of S.978 a catastrophe waiting to happen?" posed Andrew Ehmke, an attorney at Texas-based Haynes and Boone, LLP. "Catastophe is probably too strong of a word, but a lot of the commentary and concern about the scope and breadth of the law is legitimate."

Uncertainty strikes at the heart of this. It's why you see videos like the one embedded below showing up, where the consequences of this bill coming into law have suddenly become taking down half of YouTubes's video game content and largely diminishing the coverage coming out of events like E3.

Game videos are enormously popular on YouTube and other video services. Live streaming new games on launch day are incredibly common. Ehmke doesn't foresee those people having any problems.

"For it to be criminal copyright," he explained, "one of the elements is 'for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain.' I would hope that the FBI would not view a random YouTube user as somehow falling within the definition of 'for purposes of ... private financial gain.' However, if someone posts to YouTube with a link back to a web site, which contains banner ads that pay-per-view, that seems to move closer to 'for purposes of ... private financial gain.'"

It's hard to see anything happening on the scale of what the video suggests, but as a result of the vague wording, people speculate, with advocates like Halpin fueling the fire, suggesting that people aren't blowing this out of proportion.

"We’ve taken grief from naysayers as well," he said. "As consumer advocates, our job is not to worry about the best case scenarios, but rather the worst case ones. We ran the bill past internal and external legal experts and all agree that it’s very dangerous as presently crafted."

Some counterarguments fall back on "fair use," which allows appropriation of copyrighted content. In order to qualify for "fair use," the person must first prove the content's being used for "criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research." Proving that will be difficult for some.

S.978 is largely intended to combat websites streaming content like NFL games.
S.978 is largely intended to combat websites streaming content like NFL games.

"If the law passes, the real issue will be whether the FBI chooses to enforce the law in a given scenario, and in what manner," explained Ehmke. "While possible under the wording of the law, it seems unlikely that the FBI has the time, effort, or inclination to start arresting every poster to YouTube who gets 10 hits on his achievement guide video. That being said, the lack of willingness by the FBI to enforce probably does not give comfort to those who do not want the law passed at all."

If.

Right now, hearings on the law are over. Congress is scheduled for a month-long recess in August, unless a deal on the debt limit isn't reached and the session is extended. S.978 will either come up in the next two weeks or get pushed back until when Congress resumes in September.

Halpin said he's been in contact with the three legislators involved with the bill, but would not disclose the nature of the conversations.

"I can say that conversations are ongoing, for now," he said. "If and when things progress beyond that point, we’ll certainly keep [everyone] in the loop."

You can keep tabs on the bill through govtrack.us, a tool for monitoring bills as they slowly but surely move through our legislative bodies. Tools to contact each legislator are available on congress.org.

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@StarvingGamer: Actually, that isn't true. As stipulated in §506 "Criminal Offences" of title 17 (Copyright) of the United States Code, It is already illegal to infringe copyright.
 
S.978 makes amendments to §2319 "Criminal infringement of a copyright" of title 18 (Crimes and criminal procedures) which outlines the limits to punishment of the offences described in §506 of title 17, which before the amendments are up to 5-10 years in prison in the case of harsh infringement of copyright. The amendments don't significantly change how copyright laws work, they just add previously nonexistent forms of copyright infringements to the list.
 
As the law reads, significant copyright infringement is already punishable by up to 10 years of imprisonment. However, I'm no lawyer, so if you can point to the exact parts of the bill and/or current laws where this change you talk about is, then I'd be glad to take a look at it.
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@DarksydePhil said:
 
...for linking to my video, which is the original video that broke the story to the internet and is very informative...
Ha! Now let's not make self important claims like that. 
 
Game videos on YouTube aside, the fact that they are trying to make copyright infringement a criminal act, punishable by more than a fine, or being sued by the copyright holders, is crazy. 
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A lotta luv for this DSP guy! I guess the fear here is not the bill itself, but how some deputy dawg, or an interest group of such will use a bill or law as it is not intended, but does allow for. And the fact it is technically not covered gives me more trepidation than anything else, for that may well be allowing for such a back door.

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@not_a_moo_cow: I'm at work so I can't do the relevant research, everything I'm typing is me trying to remember all the stuff I was reading two weeks ago when this started becoming a bigger thing.

If I recall correctly, there is currently no criminal penalty for the performance of copyrighted works, which is what I believe a majority of streaming/youtubing is classified as. Right now you can only be jailed for copying/distributing copyrighted works. That's the biggest issue at hand here especially for us gamers.

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@Ares42 said:
@DarksydePhil said:
@Ares42 said:
Someone obviously told him about the thread, so he came to the site, made an account and the first thing he says in his reply is "LOL at all the moronic DSP haters who come out of the woodwork because my video has gotten linked to all over the internet." Do you see how he might rub people the wrong way ?
Your account is inaccurate. Someone told me about the thread, I came to the site, I created an account and the first thing I saw were multiple morons saying that I suck, and telling the author of the article that he's in the wrong for linking to my video, which is the original video that broke the story to the internet and is very informative. Totally taking the discussion in the wrong direction, for all the wrong reasons. Sorry but those people deserve to be called what they really are - we're trying to be productive here and prevent this destructive bill from being passed. Nobody cares if you like me or not and this isn't the place to voice those opinions.  Now, back to the topic, thanks.
Here's the deal, the moment you decided to seek out and specifically address the fact that people (myself included) complained to some "random" site for linking to your video you waved any privilege to try to stay topical. The first post you made here both started and finished on that exact topic, but now you want everyone else to just ignore that ? if you wanted to stay topical, you should've kept to that yourself.
goddamn for that Ares42 i give you a A+
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Yeah, DSP your response to what i said is reactionary childish bullshit really.

The simple fact is that the scenario you are painting is just not going to happen, and you are using it for some cringeworthy geek call to arms. The fact i have actually read through the facts on this case, as dull as it is, and managed to come to a conclusion that doesn't involve bleating out the unlikeliest case scenario as loud as possible will have no bearing on the bill, regardless of my mentality.

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Streaming and youtube videos of video games with commentary or voice over is fair use, if I remember correctly... I guess if they really do want to target those shady streaming sites that are out to make a profit out of copyright material without proper permission, then they should make it more explicit in the bill.

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thanks for writing this up patrick. a lot of the concern i was seeing (that i linked you on twitter a while ago) was with starcraft 2, since a lot of players like to stream their laddering/practicing gameplay and actually DO get paid for it by running ads. this youtube angle is new to me though.

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@StarvingGamer: It is true that this bill places "electronic performances" in line with the myriad of other definitions of copyright infringement methods, some of which may or may not already cover Youtube videos. However, I don't see the big practical difference in how the law functions. Streamers of copyrighted content could just as well be sentenced under current laws if it is argued that streaming is a form of distribution (of which there are literally dozens of definitions for in current U.S. copyright law.)  
 
And even if there were a change, then it wouldn't change who administrates the infringement of copyrights. The state can not and will not charge a person for copyright infringement without the copyright holder is involved. Ultimately, the copyright is controlled by the copyright holder, and if, for example, Activision are okay with a video about with Call of Duty footage on Youtube, then that's the end of the story; nobody is going to jail. Likewise, nobody can imprison my friend for driving my car if he has my permission.
 
My problem with this outcry is that it is misdirected and mostly misinformed. People are seeing this as some kind of crackdown on the internet community, but this is not the case. This bill is mostly the result of lobbyists wanting a more effective way of punishing people who stream movies and sports events online. It won't damage your average video game related video creator. 
 
Instead of focussing on this minor change, people should be fighting the incredibly imbalanced copyright laws in general. U.S. copyright laws are incredibly unspecific, and the Fair Use exception is far too vague to be a reliable protection of creative use of a copyright. Whether something is "fair use" is left to be decided by the whim of a judge, and with such uncertainty, copyright holding corporations are basically free to bully individuals from using their material, even if it is indeed fair.
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@not_a_moo_cow: The real problem is they will remove all said videos from youtube as they do with music. Google doesn't care if the company wants it gone or not they are not going to take the risk of it being there.  Google removes stuff covered by fair use on a regular basis too because it's a risk they dont' want to take even if the feds don't do it Google will. 
 
Personally I'm against copyright law as it is in general but this new bill is just going to hit youtubers as hard on video game content as DMCA effects everything else.
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@AURON570:  Yeah and AMVs are also fair use and those are taken down on a daily basis. So are parodies such as  abridged series or song  parodies.  Anything with even like 5 secs of copyrighted music is muted or removed.  
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Will this bill finally end the plague of TF2 machination videos? I'm sure there are good ones out there, but...

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Back on topic (since the trolls are just going to keep trolling if I address things further), this bill changes three major things:
 
-It now covers STREAMING media (streaming coverage of video games in general, which by definition would include any video you stream on YouTube, or a live stream of tournament gameplay, etc.)
-It changes the penalties of existing law to include up to 5 years in jail and a felony on your record, which is a CRIMINAL offense
 
So what's the real impact of the bill?
1. Up to now, streaming wasn't officially called out in law, which would have made it a gray area if it ever went to trial. Now, you can't make the defense of "well I knew it was illegal to download/upload movies, but I had no idea I couldn't stream them!"
2. The bill changes the penalties from civil to criminal. Meaning, REGARDLESS if a copyright holder comes after you for making videos of their game (which no companies besides Rockstar Games have done so far), the government can still seek to imprison you up to 5 years if you've made more than 10 videos, regardless of if you are making money on them or not.
3. The bill sets the estimated value of copyrights violated at $2500; so if the copyright holder feels the copyright to inFAMOUS 2 is worth $2500 or more, they can come after you for BOTH civil and criminal damages. 
 
Again, I've done extensive research on this story, spoke to UltraDavid directly about it, and other lawyers as well. And yes, I did break the story to the YouTube community; its why my video has over 500k total views and is dated June 30th, while most other videos were just responses to the public outrage that ensued after the issue passed by word of mouth. The bottom line is that the bill is far too broadly worded and as StarvingGamer has said, it will only take 1 crusading idiot in the Senate or Congress to misconstrue what the bill is intended for, and totally go to war against YouTube. In addition, Google may totally flip out and end all video game footage on YouTube in reaction to a criminal threat, whether or not the government ever pursues it or not. 
 
One common misconception: there is nothing whatsoever in US law OR in US case history stating that Let's Plays are covered under US fair use law. It is a commonly accepted belief by companies such as Machinima, TheGameStation, blip.tv, YouTube, etc., but that doesn't mean it's a correct belief. The reason that there is a major risk with this bill passing is that until now, no major copyright holders have ever complained about Let's Plays besides Rockstar Games. After the bill is passed, that won't matter anymore - you WILL be considered a criminal by the US Federal Government if you post more than 10 videos. Are you willing to play Russian Roulette in order to get your playthrough of Ocarina of Time on the internet?

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@DarksydePhil:  Good luck trying to tell these guys anything. 
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@DivineCC said:

@MikeinSC said:

There is literally nothing on Earth that the government having MORE control over that will be improved by their dominance.

I don't know, I think government run health care has a good shot at being better than the current system.

I can guarantee that is not the case.
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@MikeinSC: I can  guarantee  that is the case.
 
The numbers don't lie every country that is above us in health care statistics have government controlled systems if they don't work they should be below us.  
 
I'm completely against new laws but health care is one thing governments can do right. 
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Did anyone ask for this bill? 
 
I don't see gamers asking for it, I can't see how developers would want this either as it would effectively kill "word of mouth" advertising of their games.***    
 
What the fuck happend to "fair use"?!?  *** games are not like movies, games have to be actively played to get the full experience; if watching it on Youtube is the full experience, then you might want to re-consider how you are making games.
TV companies asked for it. They have money to lobby politicians to draft legislation like this. Therefore, it exists.
You have got to be kidding me ... 
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@DarksydePhil said:
@Ratinho said:

@Raineko said:

@DSP I watched your video and think it was actually really informative. At least you actually care about things like this and don't say "It's all not that bad!".

Maybe the ones saying 'it's all not that bad' also care, but have looked into it further and realise there is the absolute tiniest chance of this actually affecting people with free to air streams?

Because It's your kind of mentality that would allow this bill to pass. You don't know what you're talking about.   Who cares if people are doing free-to-air streams or streams with ads on them? This isn't the major result that the bill will have.   Youtube is a for-profit US-based company. If this bill passes, they could be considered to have MILLIONS of videos that violate the law, and because this bill makes it a felony which can be pursued by criminal law (i.e., the government can put you in jail instead of just the copyright holder seeking damages), YouTube WILL be forced to take down all video-game related footage. They would be seen as the largest offender in the world. In one fell swoop, half of YouTube would vanish and NOBODY would be able to continue uploading video game related videos to that site.   Sure, Joe Nobody who streams a local Street Fighter tournament more than likely won't be affected. But imagine not being able to go to  YouTube and look up ANY kind of videos related to gaming? No reviews, no let's plays, no online multiplayer matches, NOTHING. That is what this bill WILL do if it passes in it's current form. Are you OKAY with that?
Not true because Youtube isn't making profits off of copyrighted material. The users would be making a profit off of that material, and only if they monetize their videos or provide links to for-profit websites. Nice try at the harbinger of doom routine, but your demagoguery isn't factual.
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@jmrwacko: youtube makes profit off of everything uploaded to their servers because that's what draws people in for the advertising which is where they get their money. 
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umm you just addressed the trolls just by the mere fact on mentioning "US". tsk tsk tsk. lol 
 
 
@DarksydePhil
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Back on topic (since the trolls are just going to keep trolling if I address things further) 

 
 
 

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@nintendoeats said:

Am I the only person who thinks that S.978 sounds like a video container?

No.

As for the bill, I think it's fine. Companies aren't trying to make us miserable, they're trying to make money with _their_own_ content. What if you put a lot of hard work into some piece of video that was good enough to actually sell, and then some jerkwad with a crappy website streamed it out to everyone who might have paid you otherwise. On top of losing all that money, the jerkwad also made a bunch of money of off his banner ads. I'm guessing you'd be pissed. But let's say you aren't pissed about losing your own money, what about anyone who was in your video who would have been paid royalties? Now, other people who may have been counting on that income, don't get paid either.

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"Have you ever watched a stream of an NFL game through a decidedly shady looking website? She's talking about places like that."

Those sites are streaming mostly from outside of the USA anyway.

Damm!!! 40 millions? I am leaving to Mexico

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Common!  it's already getting harder and harder for me to stream all my hbo/amc shows I love from the "legal hosting sites" I get em from! 

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This whole thing is so dumb. Recording footage and putting it online has always been copyright theft. You're taking other people's content and putting it online. However, it's not going to be anything anyone enforces. Just like before S.978 was introduced.

This changes nothing.

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@jmrwacko said:
Not true because Youtube isn't making profits off of copyrighted material.
Sure they do. All the time, every day. They even pay for it.
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@jmrwacko said:
@DarksydePhil said:
@Ratinho said:

@Raineko said:

@DSP I watched your video and think it was actually really informative. At least you actually care about things like this and don't say "It's all not that bad!".

Maybe the ones saying 'it's all not that bad' also care, but have looked into it further and realise there is the absolute tiniest chance of this actually affecting people with free to air streams?

Because It's your kind of mentality that would allow this bill to pass. You don't know what you're talking about.   Who cares if people are doing free-to-air streams or streams with ads on them? This isn't the major result that the bill will have.   Youtube is a for-profit US-based company. If this bill passes, they could be considered to have MILLIONS of videos that violate the law, and because this bill makes it a felony which can be pursued by criminal law (i.e., the government can put you in jail instead of just the copyright holder seeking damages), YouTube WILL be forced to take down all video-game related footage. They would be seen as the largest offender in the world. In one fell swoop, half of YouTube would vanish and NOBODY would be able to continue uploading video game related videos to that site.   Sure, Joe Nobody who streams a local Street Fighter tournament more than likely won't be affected. But imagine not being able to go to  YouTube and look up ANY kind of videos related to gaming? No reviews, no let's plays, no online multiplayer matches, NOTHING. That is what this bill WILL do if it passes in it's current form. Are you OKAY with that?
Not true because Youtube isn't making profits off of copyrighted material. The users would be making a profit off of that material, and only if they monetize their videos or provide links to for-profit websites. Nice try at the harbinger of doom routine, but your demagoguery isn't factual.
Of course they make money, they have advertisements everywhere, especially when you are watching videos on a partner channel.
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Why the DSP bashing, he usually has some very good and valid arguments on topics about the industry when he is not farting or burping during his playthroughs

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@Raineko: I don't wanna get into a big dumb argument on the internet but...
 
Making money =/= Making profit.
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Wow, so much hate for a single human being. Did someone force you to watch his videos, Clockwork Orange style?

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Yeah this isn't going to affect anything, DSP is just mad because Youtube is his free money machine.

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@Dany:  You're new to government regulation, aren't you? They'll use it for anything and everything.
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@Dany:  You're new to government regulation, aren't you? They'll use it for anything and everything.
The bill is too broad reaching that I do not think this will pass. The intention of the bill is for streaming tv and movies and will remain so.
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Very well written article Patrick
 
Here is what really bothers me about this, and I am not looking for a political fight or anything.

  •  If the FBI goes after streaming sites for copy right stuff, it stands to reason the number of them will theoretically decrease, or at least that is the assumption the bill's drafters are making
  • This involves paying the FBI out of our taxes or borrowing or whatever (again not looking for that fight)
  • If free sites decrease then paid sites will theoretically have less competition (I am willing to grant that piracy may be an immoral form of competition, but for the purpose of this train of thought that doesn't matter much)
      • econ 101 says that as competition decreases, prices should theoretically increase ( I don't know much of anything on the specifics of the streaming market, but as we have seen with netflix prices are increasing for paid streaming)
      • We then as consumers are being charged on both ends to the goal of raising media profits.  First we collectively pay the cost of removing lower cost alternatives (again willing to grant potential immorality) through the cost of law enforcement. Second due to increased enforcement streaming companies are able to raise their prices.
 
I do not have a problem with content providers receiving just compensation, nor do I support piracy.  What I have a problem with is, in a time when other services for the needy are getting cut, large corporations who are generally doing quite well for themselves using our collect resources to pursue increased private profits.
 
Again all I am saying is that I am against this bill because it is using public resources to further private profits.
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@patrickklepek:

In order to quality for "fair use,"

Minor typo duder. Don't worry, I got your back.

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Another good article by Patrick.  On a roll, man, on a roll. 
 
That said, I do think people are overreacting, as is sadly the case with everything regarding politics.

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Good work posting a Chicago Bears photo. Illinois, represent!

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I generally agree with the article. That the bill is worded too broadly is a cause for concern, but in reality it's not going to affect you unless you're making money off it.

It's pretty similar to anti-piracy movements in the past. The **AA isn't going to litigate or act against you unless you're making (a lot of) money off copyright infringement or distributing a large enough amount of pirated content to get their attention. The fact is that the feds have better things to do than go after random YouTube users (which is why YT self-polices to avoid that sort of attention), and most of us don't have enough money for the corporate lawyers to care.

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@benjaebe said:

Oh Patrick, why did you have to link to DSP. Why oh why.

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What I don't understand is how streaming video game footage is breaking copyright. In order for you to pirate a song, you have to receive the exact content that you could have purchased. Same with movies and TV shows. Watching a video of a game is not the same as downloading a game and playing it. Could someone clear it up for me?
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well that sucks for people that stream stuff. i hope it doesn't hurt video games as people show them off a lot with video games.

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how is this bill going to affect my Netflix and game trailers watching?

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Quick, everyone move to Canada!

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It seems like this will not effect most of the cherished content people were afraid to lose. Giant Bomb's stuff is almost purely commentary and criticism. Which is considered "Fair Use" if what is written above is correct. Also, the LPs and Achievement guide videos can be considered for teaching use, ie teaching how to play the game. Even if they are not, I think the only people that are going to be pursued are those who the owner of the content wishes to pursue. Game companies are not concerned with things like this, so i doubt it would ever become a major problem

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With real gamers, the sky is always falling. Their little hobby is the most important thing in the world.

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@Hagane said:
Wow, so much hate for a single human being. Did someone force you to watch his videos, Clockwork Orange style?
He's just sorta like a videogame version of Carrot Top. Either people love what he's doing, or they hate it.
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I'm interested in seeing how this law works for shows that are not in the US. I watch episodes of anime that dont have american licences and some korean shows also. does steaming those still fall under this law?

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This could be bad. never know if they would call Ign or Giantbomb to fall under this bill since they do profit from this stuff.

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I wonder if this will affect DVR services?

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This SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!! I would have to end my YouTube Let's Plays and reviews (not that anyone watches them much anyway, but STILL!!!) but it would also affect coverage of E3 and huge conventions, right? And YouTube reviewers/LP-ers with a much bigger following like Chuggaconroy, Kwing, and Nintendocaprisun would be screwed!!!!