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User-Created Content Coming For Rock Band

Harmonix gives away the keys to the castle and lets you create, play, and sell your own music in Rock Band 2.


   So, it'll still look a lot like this, but instead you'll be playing that song you wrote about how Christopher Walken is a badass. 
So, it'll still look a lot like this, but instead you'll be playing that song you wrote about how Christopher Walken is a badass. 
Despite having a large number of blackmail-worthy photos of a Harmonix employee, I've yet to get any songs by my band, Midnight Brown, in the Rock Band download store. Tragic, I know. But the good news is that I don't need to go through that whole process anymore, because Harmonix has unveiled plans to allow average songwriting copyright holders like me to plot out my own note charts and place my music in a separate community store governed by the same style of community moderation used by Microsoft's XNA-based Indie Games program.

According to Billboard, the program is called the Rock Band Network, and it's currently in a closed beta, with a planned public beta coming in August and a launch on Xbox 360 before the year is out. MTV's saying that it's expecting to bring popular tracks from this program to the PlayStation 3 and the Wii, but since this whole thing currently hinges on the Xbox 360's XNA Creator's Club setup, the Network store will be 360-exclusive at first.

While this seems great for the individual songwriters and performers out there who own the rights to their content, have their masters, and are down to do it themselves, this will also allow labels that want to be a part of Rock Band to process their entire catalog, sidestepping the weekly track downloads that will continue to make their way into the main Rock Band store. It sounds like Harmonix will make some portion of their community available for hire by people or companies who have the music, but don't want to plot out the gameplay themselves. Billboard also spoke to the head of Sub Pop, which plans to make its biggest releases over the last couple of years as well as all of its upcoming fall releases available through Rock Band Network.

Once the work is complete, it's submitted and checked for to ensure that all the proper copyrights are in place, as well as for explicit lyrics or gameplay issues. Once approved, the tracks can be sold via the Network store for somewhere between 50 cents and $3, and the user/label/copyright holder's cut is 30 percent of the sale price.

The software used to actually take the split master tracks (or "stems," if you will) is a custom version of Reaper, from Cockos. In addition to setting up all of the note charts, you'll also be able to use Reaper to set up the lighting, camera angles, and default characters used in the background.

OK, this whole thing sounds seriously awesome and feels like the correct way to allow user-generated content in a music game. The whole sampled, MIDI sounding thing that Guitar Hero added in World Tour resulted in a bunch of people just continually uploading different "rockin'" versions of Super Mario Bros. music. Rock Band Network will obviously have a significantly higher barrier to entry, but if the end result is actual, real music that has the potential to be an additional revenue stream for smaller acts out there, that higher barrier seems like it's totally worth it. For more detail, check out Billboard's story. We'll have more as it becomes available. Meanwhile, I'm going to go start blackmailing someone to get into that closed beta... 
 
[UPDATE] Harmonix has launched its official site for the project at http://creators.rockband.com/, complete with a video that details how RBN will work.
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The RBN site has the greatest help page ever:


"Help page is empty. No one needs help yet."

Oh and this whole idea looks to deliver on the promise of "Rock Band as a music platform" . Now we know what they really meant by that.
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Midnight Brown could be in Rock Band to play!
A PLUS A PLUS A PLUS A PLUS A PLUS A PLUS A PLUS A PLUS A PLUS A PLUS A PLUS A PLUS A PLUS A PLUS A PLUS

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Unfortunately, I think there are way more bad musicians then there are bad Indie Game developers...

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oh man, dude! I would totally buy some Midnight Brown tracks!

okay, Jeff, you reading this?

My dream Midnight Brown 6-pack:
Robot Vampire
Future Robinhood
Hey Piper
Dial V for Viking
2084
and I guess "I'm a god" just cause people would be all like "wtf is going on?" when it came up on a random setlist, lol

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Someone needs to port "My Heart Belongs to Giantbomb" By Evan Brass to RB. !!!!

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Wow, user generated content that costs money. I didn't see that coming. That was sarcasm by the way. I fucking hate corporations.

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It sounds too sweet. There's a catch, like Harmonix is allowed to tweak songs before they're released or something.

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The runaway ribbbb
It's the reason that we're here

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@RsistncE: The difference now is that the creator gets a cut: 30 percent. So how much does the typical new artist make on a typical new record contract?
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how long 'till guitar hero rips them off?

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@TobyD81: Alright so if this is really about the artists, why not make 100% of the song sales revenue go to the artists? This will never happen though because this is another money grabbing scam from our dearly beloved game corporations. I would love to believe there is some sort of altruism to this but there isn't; game companies have discovered that we (well, not myself) are stupid enough to pay for things like map packs and other game addons and now they are charging for nearly everything, most of which is free on the PC. Why? Apparently PC users aren't the bitches of the big game publishers. Too bad the same can't be said for console users.
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That is great, but who is the filter that is going to be saying whose music gets in or who is dropped?  How is the organization of this content going to be handled?  Will it be integrated or seperated to a degree from Harmonix's DLC / ROCKBAND disc songs?

I am still a little iffy about this whole concept...it could really mudd the waters up.

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@RsistncE: Of course there's no altruism here, this is business. Harmonix is opening a venue where content creators (musicians) can get their stuff published through their service. Both parties then get a cut. The only way for the creator to get 100% is if they self-publish, in which case they won't be in Rock Band. Here they can get their stuff in a popular music game owned by millions, and they get 30%, which is pretty generous by music publishing standards. Music on CDs isn't free either, nor are iTunes, Amazon, etc. Charging consumers for music and then splitting up that money among everyone who brought it to market is pretty common.
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Once again Harmonix shows us how much better they are than the competition.

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That's some awesome news!

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@RsistncE: Yes, paying artists for music totally makes you a "bitch" of "The Man".
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I hope that one day, I will be able to rock out to Too Hot in Rock Band. MAKE IT HAPPEN, JEFF!

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@RsistncE: I think you seem to have forgotten, people who work at, or for Harmoonix still have to go through the process of making these songs playable in Rock Band. It's not just throwing an mp3 in the game and a note chart just shows up. Or a full on animated performance is already in the mp3. Should these people not be paid for the work they do? Well if you had your way no. People would just go through all the hard work of making something that the entire world can enjoy, and never be compensated for it.
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The real question here is...

Will we be seeing Midnight Brown in this, Jeff?

Will we?

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Ok I want FFF, Cat Belt Buckle and Go! go! Vietnam.   Also are the Suburban All-Stars getting in on this? I want In the Can both regular and butterfly remix =P

Ah! That would be awesome. but censors would ruin it :(


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This seems like a really good idea of course but will see how it pans out.

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This could be so dope and opens doors to many different genres.

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Now all I need is to make some music worth purchasing!

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And I just broke up with my band a month ago. Sounds like a great idea, though.

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@TobyD81: I highly doubt there will be any "break through" artists because of this user generated content. Both Harmonix and Red Octane made it quite clear that good songs don't necessarily translate to good playing songs in the game. I would imagine this is vica versa and that content released by artists for the game would be made to PLAY well but not necessarily be good music. User generated content for the vast majority of the time has always been free. Community created content is about the community supporting a game it bought with it's own creativity. If companies capitilize on this and start charging for things like mods what will be the point anyways? Why not just buy profressionally made content instead?
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@Babylonian: Because clearly that was what I was getting at. Apparently in the modern world reading comprehension is a virtue.
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Tell Evan Brass to put "My Heart Belongs to Giant Bomb" on there.

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So basiclly fools with master tracks and copyrights can have their tracks charted? I forsee my love for Floridiian death metal and Scandanavian bands coming to a Rock Band near me.

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This is incredible. I mean, this is how this type of thing should be done. Hell, I might even put some of my music into the game.

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@Ryan said:
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IM Conversation With Alex Navarro This Morning

 
Ryan: so still no cursing, I assume?
 
Alex: still no cursing.
 
Ryan: fuck you.

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That was great. I can't wait for this!
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This one of the ways Harmonix has proven themselves smarter and better at this whole music game thing than Neversoft and Activision.

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So when can I play "In the Can, in the Can"?

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@TechnicallyProficient:  Not sure you could put In the Can, In the Can on there. There's probably some copyright infringement being that it's just the theme to the game Paperboy with rhymes about butt sex.
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@Zaapp1 said:
" Tell Evan Brass to put "My Heart Belongs to Giant Bomb" on there. "
This.  I will donate money for it to happen.
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Sub Pop to release most of their upcoming catalog?

radness overload

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This is going to be epic.


In all the time I've read game news on this site since it launched I don't think I've posted any comments, but this one warrants a must post. This may very well require dusting off the old PC, finding my M-Audio device, acquiring a 360, and hanging a shingle saying 'RockBand track conversions done here.' I can't wait to see what this produces. Talk about not doing things by halves. This is going to blow Guitar Hero out of the water. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! 

Harmonix, you guys and gals absolutely rock!
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@RsistncE: But for the vast majority of the time, music has not been free. Musicians, besides wanting to express themselves, often want to make a living off their craft. That's true whether you sell 100 or 100 million copies of your album. This gives musicians another avenue to sell their music and be known. I would be with you if these user-generated songs were being sold and Harmonix were keeping all the money, but that's not the case.
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Important Question: Can bands world-wide upload? I really want to sing some Japanese music <3

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You can no longer argue about Guitar hero VS Rock Band, cause rock band has Midnight Brown and that makes it win by default.

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A chance to play Too Hot and Submarine Club in Rock Band?  Name your price!

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I would have said I don't care, but if this actually means i will be able to play Midnight Brown songs, I'm all for it!!

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Great way to get indie bands to sign onto Rock Band.

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They're always finding ways to bilk ya.  I still haven't found the excitement in pressing buttons to a song I like to listen to. Is there more to it?  Not like this.