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When Passions Flare, Lines Are Crossed [UPDATED]

One player's heated rhetoric about sexual harassment in the fighting community causes a furious debate, one that has Capcom apologizing.

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UPDATE: Bakhtanians has issued a statement in the wake of today's coverage. Read it here.

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“This is a community that’s, you know, 15 or 20-years-old and the sexual harassment is part of a culture,” said competitive fighting game player Aris "Aris" Bakhtanians on a recent live stream for Capcom's Cross Assault show, “and if you remove that from the fighting game community, it’s not the fighting game community.”

Capcom has since apologized for comments made during a conversation on sexual harassment in the fighting game community, which that quote was pulled from. It was a discussion focused on Bakhtanians, and took place during a recent episode of the company’s Cross Assault reality show. It’s part of a promotion for Street Fighter X Tekken.

Cross Assault started with 10 contestants divided into two teams, Team Tekken and Team Street Fighter. The final four contestants will be determined today, and the last matches begin March 3.

A reader initially pointed out the inflammatory commentary, which took place during day five.

Bakhtanians is the head of Team Tekken, and was engaged in a conversation that chiefly involved Twitch.tv community manager Jared Rea. Twitch.tv is hosting the daily streaming of the day-long Cross Assault episodes.

“The views and opinions expressed by cast members in the live internet program 'Cross Assault' do not reflect those of Capcom,” said a Capcom spokesperson in a statement issued to me last night. “As a company, Capcom believes that everyone should be treated with respect. This particular issue was brought to our attention and has been addressed. We sincerely apologize to anyone that was offended by any comments expressed during the show.”

You can listen to the conversation by fast forwarding to one hour and 45 minutes into the following video. A user on YouTube also collected a series of comments made by Bakhtanians on day one.

For example: "Miranda, I wanna know your bra size."

Tensions were immediately raised over Rea's suggestion the fighting game community, once insular and limited but now steadily growing year-over-year, was potentially alienating outsiders from becoming fans of fighting games or the competitive scene because of inappropriate sexual language. Bakhtanians took issue with Rea's criticism.

Here’s a lengthy transcript of their exchange:

Rea: You know what it is, to be honest with you? We’re getting older. Do you really want to keep hanging around with a bunch of [guys in their] early 20s who don’t know how to treat one another with respect? That’s what it is.

Bakhtanians: Alright, man. The thing is...if you don’t like the scene, how it is right now, it just seems like you’re trying to create...turn it into something that it’s not, and it’s never going to be. You know what I mean?

Rea: That’s really unfortunate [inaudible]...the way it is right now, they want to enjoy fighting games, but they’re so incredibly turned off by [the language].

Bakhtanians: This doesn’t involve me, Jared, I don’t know if you can hear me--this is Aris. This doesn’t really involve me, but if you don’t like onions, you get your sandwich without onions, man. I mean, this is the fighting game community.

Rea: Can I get my Street Fighter without sexual harassment?

Bakhtanians: You can’t. You can’t because they’re one and the same thing. This is a community that’s, you know, 15 or 20 years old, and the sexual harassment is part of a culture, and if you remove that from the fighting game community, it’s not the fighting game community--it’s StarCraft. There’s nothing wrong with StarCraft if you enjoy it, and there’s nothing wrong with anything about eSports, but why would you want just one flavor of ice cream, you know? There’s eSports for people who like eSports, and there’s fighting games for people who like spicy food and like to have fun. There’s no reason to turn them into the same thing, you know?

You can’t go to the NBA and say “hey, I like basketball, but I don’t want them to play with a basketball, I want them to play with a football.” It just doesn’t...it doesn’t make sense to have that attitude, you know? These things are established for years. That would be like someone from the fighting game community going over to StarCraft and trying to say “hey, StarCraft, you guys are too soft, let’s start making sexual harassment jokes to each other on StarCraft.” That’s not cool, people wouldn’t like that. StarCraft isn’t like that. People would get defensive, and that’s what you’re trying to do the fighting game community, and it’s not right. It’s ethically wrong.

I know that you’re thinking “what do you know about ethics? You say racial stuff and sexist stuff.” But those are jokes and if you were really a member of the fighting game community, you would know that. You would know that these are jokes.

Rea: So, ensuring that we alienate any and all female viewers...that’s the ethical thing to do?

Bakhtanians: Well, you know, there are layers here, if you think about this. There are layers of ethics. There are people who are racist and commit hate crimes, right? And then there are people who are racist but they have tons of friends of all colors and they have deep love for those friends. Do you think those people are one and the same? Absolutely not.

StarCraft was brought up several times during the discussion of fighting games role in the larger eSports movement, specifically in regards to what lessons the community should and should not learn from its popularity.

I reached out to Bakhtanians to discuss his comments on Cross Assault, but he didn't respond.

When I contacted Capcom, I included a transcript of the relevant conversation. The company told me the cast and crew had been informed that “any inappropriate or disrespectful comments will not be tolerated during filming.”

Upon receiving the statement from Capcom, I forwarded it in full to Bakhtanians. No response.

And there is one very important fact about this whole story: Cross Assault is not a male-only event. There are two females: Team Street Fighter’s Sherry “Sherryjenix” Nhan and Team Tekken’s Miranda “Super_Yan” Pakozdi.

During the exchange, as matches raged in the background, Pakozdi chimed in about Bakhtanians’ explanation for the pervasiveness of inappropriate sexual language within fighting game culture.

“It hurts the community,” she said.

Everyone in the stream made reference to Keystone events at the San Jose Bar & Grill in San Jose, California, a spot that’s reportedly known for its more crass comments about during play. Pakozdi acknowledged it was an issue during Keystone events, but that it never went, from her perspective, over the line.

“You don’t know where the line is,” she declared.

“My point is is where I’m from, in our arcade, our line may be different than yours,” responded Bakhtanians, “but the point is that fighting games are never gonna be the same as StarCraft, it’s never gonna be the same. You can’t turn basketball into baseball, no matter what you do.”

Rea said sexual harassment was less of an issue in the StarCraft community, a point that others, including Bakhtanians, pushed back on. He conceded. Regardless, he argued, private matches can’t be controlled, but the actions of the participants and audience members raised the real concern.

Again, here’s a snippet:

Rea: When I go to MSL or MLG and someone blows up a ghost [Starcraft], does someone go “Yeah, rape that bitch!”?

[group laughter]

Bakhtanians: But, you know, Jared, you’re right. But if there was that much money being spent on Street Fighter, it wouldn’t be happening here, either, you know. There would be more rules, there would be security here, it’s not the same thing. It’s not the same thing.

Rea: When I go to SoCal regionals and I see a Phoenix [from Marvel vs. Capcom 3] on main stage getting blown up and there’s some dude in the audience just yelling “Bitch! Bitch!” every time she gets hit and then she killed and goes “Yeah, rape that bitch!” Yeah, that’s totally acceptable! Really? Really? You’re going to tell me that’s acceptable?

Bakhtanians: Look, man. What is unacceptable about that? There’s nothing unacceptable about that. These are people, we’re in America, man, this isn’t North Korea. We can say what we want. People get emotional.

There was some light discussion after this, but it mostly trailed off.

Pakozdi, who was assigned to work with Bakhtanians as part of Team Tekken, did not simply blow things off. Like many people, she signed onto Twitter and expressed disappointment over the day’s events. She eventually deleted much of her commentary, but it was captured by the same reader who tipped me off to this in the first place.

“I hope my mom isn’t disappointed with all of this shit,” reads one tweet.

“Capcom and the stream teams know and they don’t care. I just gotta wait 2 more days,” reads another.

“I’m not leaving because by contract I have to stay here 2 more days. If it were up to me I would have left long ago," she said.

Bakhtanians is a well known in the community, explaining his Cross Assault involvement.
Bakhtanians is a well known in the community, explaining his Cross Assault involvement.

I reached out to Pakozdi, but she did not respond.

Day six of Cross Assault took place yesterday. Pakozdi played, but if you start watching around eight hours and 32 minutes into the stream, where she's playing as Balrog, she doesn't even attack. She just pushes forward on the stick. This continues in the next matches, where she plays as Ken using the same "strategy."

Essentially, she's given up.

Per the rules of the show, she would then have to face off against John "Dr. Sub-Zero" Rockafeller, who was already eliminated. If he beat her in three out of five matches, he would be "revived."

Instead, she forfeited. Moments after she bowed out, Rockafeller looked over and handed his prizes over to her.

“I would like to donate everything to Super_Yan for being an angel,” he said.

Bakhtanians also contributes the website Avoiding the Puddle and the site’s associated Twitter account.

“esports,” he wrote last night.

Previously, however, he did have his own personal Twitter account. What’s listed in his bio?

“Fuck you.”

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People like Aris need to get abandoned from their "community" and get left in a sad little corner to be by themselves. Seeing stuff like this with no regulation is just going to keep people from wanting to get involved in tournaments and other events. And it's in no way "an integral part" of the community. It's like saying being casually racist towards hispanics is "an integral part" of the retail industry....

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Man, FUCK that guy. Seriously. What a fucking asshole.

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@bloodsoul5 said:

This article is bullshit. As someone who has watched FGC tournament streams for a few years now, I can safely say Aris does not represent the community. This is being blown way the fuck out of the proportion.

As I am an outsider looking in, I find it hard to understand this. He's an official commentator, so how does he not represent the community? If the guy with the microphone doesn't represent the community, then who does? Also, if he doesn't represent the community, then why does he have a microphone?

I'm not trying to argue here. You clearly have more firsthand knowledge of the situation, and I'm just trying to understand.

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@gladspooky said:

@DeathbyYeti said:

@Pinworm45 said:

Except it's not sexism. Trash talking a girl is not fucking sexism. It is not sexism any more than trash talking a guy is. You know what's sexism? not allowing women to vote. Not letting them advance in their career.

You know what's not sexism? Trash talking women in a video game with a culture and group based around trash talk. The fact that no one cared when he did this to men, makes this white knighting. The fact that people think women are such fragile, inferior creatures that they need to be defended but men don't makes this white knighting.

I like this. Aris was harassing the men just as much as the women, often snickering that someone may be "gay" or something about their appearance. As soon as it comes to a woman though, no one can believe this is happening. I also believe 100% that Capcom knew what they were getting into hiring Aris. Aris was the only reason I watched the show and rightfully so

"Don't worry, guys, he's a homophobe, too!"

Yeah, good argument.

He's friends with a famously gay player, he hit on him as a joke, and the favor and trash talk was returned, all in jest, all with love. Idiot.

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Here is an example of some dude talking out of his ass getting taken seriously. Its like, really? Obviously this dude's and idiot, but people FREAK out about it? Jesus people grow up.

“This is a community that’s, you know, 15 or 20-years-old and the sexual harassment is part of a culture,” said competitive fighting game player Aris "Aris" Bakhtanians on a recent live stream for Capcom's Cross Assault show, “and if you remove that from the fighting game community, it’s not the fighting game community.”

Read that. Okay now read it again. Okay now tell me your offended, And I'll tell you to stop taking what idiots say seriously. This is life people. Relax, chill, let people say stupid stuff that is clearly nonsense. Your not getting out of this place alive anyway.

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@Pinworm45 What about trash talk invoking or based on the fact that the target is a woman?
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@darkdragonmage99: Who said "shut em up"? I just don't wanna be associated with them and I have the right to call them out

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@whatthegeek said:

@moregrammarplz said:

I think the PC culture is fucking garbage and needs to be replaced with something I prefer.

Who the fuck are you to dictate what a group of people can and can not enjoy? Who the fuck are you to be this moral arbiter? How about you exercise your rights to ignore that which you don't like, and partake in that which you do? I'm not going out of my way to force you and your group of friends to swear do whatever you don't like, show me the same respect (or at least that's what I'd say if I was part of their group, I'm not)

Here's the thing; when sexual harassment or racism are considered "OK" by a subculture, whether they mean to or not that subculture is condoning rape and / or violent hate crimes. Rapists don't wake up one day after forty years of being polite and respectful to women and just suddenly decide "Hey, I'm gona go out and rape some bitches today". They start off harassing, stalking, or otherwise mistreating women. When they fall into a subculture that makes light of sexual harassment their negative attitude toward women is validated, and they feel justified in continuing to harass women or in moving on to other sexual crimes.

So yea, when a culture fosters fledgling rapists you bet your fucking-backwards-racist-sexist-rapey ass I'm gonna chime in and say "Hey, knock that shit off you fucking idiot"

This is probably one of the most ignorant, and blatantly stupid things I have ever had the displeasure of reading. God. Damn.

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@NancyDrewFan123 said:

@Conceited said:

Great, now a bunch of people who have no idea what happened and have no perspective on this because they aren't involved in the FGC will blow this infinitely out of proportion and think the FGC is filled with scumbags. While I realize Aris is largely to blame for this, this article did not need to be written. Why not do a positive piece on how awesome the FGC is? How accepting they are of Ricky Ortiz (openly gay) and Kayopolice? (Trans-gendered)

I don't know if you're going to win your argument by pointing out two people that are both constantly the object of ridicule and scorn within the fighting game community. I mean, even the "nice" members of the FGC have some not cool things to say about Kayo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU378JRzsuU

You act like they are treated differently from anyone else. There are plenty of pictures, videos, and forum posts putting ALL popular members of the FGC on blast. Mike Ross gets it, Nerdjosh gets it, Filipino Champ gets it, Marn gets it, no one is exempt. It's accepted as part of the community.

If Kayo wasn't accepted by the FGC as a whole, why would she be generating the most applause during EVO pools? Why would hundreds of people have asked for pictures with her?

If Ricky wasn't accept by the FGC as a whole, why wouldn't everyone ridicule him for wearing short leather skirts and fishnet stockings with halter tops? Most people think its awesome.

People don't recognize or understand the difference from people who actually attend or run tournaments and people who sit at home and post stuff anonymously on the internet. Those people DO NOT represent the FGC.

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I've seen the show and many streams before and to me this really only proves two things:
- the FGC is dominated by young male players
- Aris is known to be an ass like that and got chosen as a coach because of that, by Capcom
 
edit: Didn't you go to Keystone yourself, Patrick?   
I know 1Up went there, they know how it is.

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@DeathbyYeti said:

@Pinworm45 said:

Except it's not sexism. Trash talking a girl is not fucking sexism. It is not sexism any more than trash talking a guy is. You know what's sexism? not allowing women to vote. Not letting them advance in their career.

You know what's not sexism? Trash talking women in a video game with a culture and group based around trash talk. The fact that no one cared when he did this to men, makes this white knighting. The fact that people think women are such fragile, inferior creatures that they need to be defended but men don't makes this white knighting.

I like this. Aris was harassing the men just as much as the women, often snickering that someone may be "gay" or something about their appearance. As soon as it comes to a woman though, no one can believe this is happening. I also believe 100% that Capcom knew what they were getting into hiring Aris. Aris was the only reason I watched the show and rightfully so

"Don't worry, guys, he's a homophobe, too!"

Yeah, good argument.

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@Pinworm45 said:

@moregrammarplz said:

@Pinworm45 said:

He's done similar if not worse things to other people. None of them cared and found it funny. Why should he and his friends all change the culture they've created to satisfy ONE person out of political correctness - something he actively wants to avoid in his community?

Because the 'culture' he's created is fucking garbage and needs to be replaced with something civilized.

I think the PC culture is fucking garbage and needs to be replaced with something I prefer.

Who the fuck are you to dictate what a group of people can and can not enjoy? Who the fuck are you to be this moral arbiter? How about you exercise your rights to ignore that which you don't like, and partake in that which you do? I'm not going out of my way to force you and your group of friends to swear do whatever you don't like, show me the same respect (or at least that's what I'd say if I was part of their group, I'm not)

Go fuck yourself. This bullshit about "political correctness" needs to end. Stewart Lee puts it best in one of his many brilliant bits. I paraphrase: political correctness is nothing more than a mutual agreement to move towards a more inclusive standard of discourse. The bit itself can be found here. Watch it and maybe you'll learn something.

Now that you know what political correctness is, you may be a little closer to understanding what freedom of speech is. Just to help out a little, let me tell you what it isn't: freedom of speech is not a fucking license to say whatever you want without recourse in kind from other people. Aris is free to spew whatever sexist shit he wants. I'm then free to call him a shitheel for doing so. I'm also free to say that the fighting game community is rotten for supporting his bullshit. And, finally, I'm free to call you ignorant for thinking political correctness is going mad.

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I sent a tweet to Patrick on other instances, like on Day 2 of Tekken http://www.twitch.tv/iplaywinner/b/309521219 from 1:42:00 and other times during that day, Aris with camera focused sorely on Miranda's feet and other areas.

There are many and basically countless times of instances throughout the streams every day. Sherryjenix was also invovled to participate in juvenile actions to the amusement of Aris.

My personal opinion is Aris, who mind you, has stated multiple times on the stream and prior to even joining the show that he has lost count on how many times he has been written up (at real jobs) for sexual harrassment. He wears it as a badge. He crossed the line many times here, but everyone knew it was going to happen.

Ultimately, the person in charge of this production and in direct charge of the contestants failed miserably on multiple fronts.

I also believe for the full narrative, one must also know the actions, reactions of Miranda. After she was wrongfully muted during the Jared/Haunts/Aris debacle, they let her voice what she wanted to say. Which in turn she ended up discussing the Korean penis size and how she likes the way black guys hit on her.

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@CanItRunBF3 said:

Cliff's Notes version of this article: "It's a really slow news day, so here's some people who like to look for things to be offended by, so they can complain about it to hear their own voices and maybe get some attention. Also, they probably get off when random people on the internet agree with them." Sorry that the competitve gaming world calls each other bitches and pussies to get in each others' heads. Sorry that someone thinks that will not change anytime soon. Please go back to sucking on Susan B Anthony's decaying tit so no one has to listen to you bitch about unimportant things like they matter in the slightest.

You are part of the problem.

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@moregrammarplz said:

I think the PC culture is fucking garbage and needs to be replaced with something I prefer.

Who the fuck are you to dictate what a group of people can and can not enjoy? Who the fuck are you to be this moral arbiter? How about you exercise your rights to ignore that which you don't like, and partake in that which you do? I'm not going out of my way to force you and your group of friends to swear do whatever you don't like, show me the same respect (or at least that's what I'd say if I was part of their group, I'm not)

Here's the thing; when sexual harassment or racism are considered "OK" by a subculture, whether they mean to or not that subculture is condoning rape and / or violent hate crimes. Rapists don't wake up one day after forty years of being polite and respectful to women and just suddenly decide "Hey, I'm gona go out and rape some bitches today". They start off harassing, stalking, or otherwise mistreating women. When they fall into a subculture that makes light of sexual harassment their negative attitude toward women is validated, and they feel justified in continuing to harass women or in moving on to other sexual crimes.

So yea, when a culture fosters fledgling rapists you bet your fucking-backwards-racist-sexist-rapey ass I'm gonna chime in and say "Hey, knock that shit off you fucking idiot"

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@supercubedude said:

All video game communities have vile scum, let's not single out the fighting game community.

Seriously, look at MOBAs.

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I'm going to rape you bitch! What, why te fuck are you offended?! I told your friend over there that I'd rape her too!

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My favourite thing about this comment thread are the people who complain that the article is a hit job on the fighting game community, and then go on to say how all of this sexual harassment is just part of the culture and anyone who doesn't like it shouldn't be playing fighting games in the first place (psst, guys, you're just making it worse).

Interesting article Patrick, adding you to the team has been one of the smartest things that this site has done.

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@Phonics: Dude... stop before you get hurt. That is still pretty shitty behavior

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Why is it always the people that gets offended that gets to decided if a word is bad or not ? I mean I could suddenly decide that I find it offensive for people to call me dude, and now everyone has to moderate their language because I find that word offensive ? 
 
The issue that Aris tries to bring up here (in a completely ineloquent way) is that a vast majority of their community doesn't connect words like bitch or rape with any sort of offense or discrimination, and it's unfair for someone to come in and tell them to change because they don't like it.
 
Maybe it's time someone starts a campaign to stop the GB community from saying things like shit and fuck because they find it offensive ? or would people find that intrusive ? Just from personal experience I recently joined a forum that censored stuff like that I and I found it really strange. Not that I'm a big curser, but it's a part of how I express myself and having to find other ways to express myself got annoying. 
 
People are people, and everyone has different views, but why do we never expect the offended to be the "understanding" one ?

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How accepting they are of ... Kayopolice? (Trans-gendered)

Kayopolice is the worst example you can possibly give.
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Man, I am gonna be so bummed next week listening to the bombcast when they shit all over the FGC.

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Cliff's Notes version of this article: "It's a really slow news day, so here's some people who like to look for things to be offended by, so they can complain about it to hear their own voices and maybe get some attention. Also, they probably get off when random people on the internet agree with them." Sorry that the competitve gaming world calls each other bitches and pussies to get in each others' heads. Sorry that someone thinks that will not change anytime soon. Please go back to sucking on Susan B Anthony's decaying tit so no one has to listen to you bitch about unimportant things like they matter in the slightest.

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@Pinworm45 said:

Except it's not sexism. Trash talking a girl is not fucking sexism. It is not sexism any more than trash talking a guy is. You know what's sexism? not allowing women to vote. Not letting them advance in their career.

You know what's not sexism? Trash talking women in a video game with a culture and group based around trash talk. The fact that no one cared when he did this to men, makes this white knighting. The fact that people think women are such fragile, inferior creatures that they need to be defended but men don't makes this white knighting.

I like this. Aris was harassing the men just as much as the women, often snickering that someone may be "gay" or something about their appearance. As soon as it comes to a woman though, no one can believe this is happening. I also believe 100% that Capcom knew what they were getting into hiring Aris. Aris was the only reason I watched the show and rightfully so

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What an incomprehensible meth-head... His agruments were about as sound as his ability to express them... It was like reading a discussion between a grown up and a mentally challenged 14 year old.

I'm thinking he just ended up going into full on defensive mode, and when he dug himself in too deep it was just really hard to go "ok.. I went too far, I get where you're coming from and I'm sorry." Everyone's been there at some point.

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Anyone that has spent a little time watching fighting game streams knows what a bunch of childish degenerates they all are.

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Wow. I remember watching some Aris commentary when he was with Kayo Police and he didn't seem awful at all. The above quotes really don't make him sound like someone I'd want to be around.
 
I gotta say though, as someone who watches tournament streams when I can I don't recall ever seeing such things from other commentators. Especially James Chan and Ultra David. Those guys are great.
 
Also, good job Jared. You're a pretty stand up guy.

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"This is a community that’s, you know, 15 or 20 years old, and the sexual harassment is part of a culture, and if you remove that from the fighting game community, it’s not the fighting game community"

If that's the case, then fuck your ignorant, broken community.

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@Luddite said:

Ever notice how the freedom of speech used to defend people's right to not be politically correct (read: deliberately rude) is somehow not a defense for calling them out on it. You're free to be an asshole, I'm free to call you one. I know which side of that equation I want to be on.

Yarp.  Well spoken. i guess, unfortunately, that protection doesn't extend to freedom from responding phsyically to an asshole, but all the more then that protection extends to calling out assholes!
 
@bybeach said:
I'm confused,why can't it be 'Fuck em up!' as oppossed to 'Rape that bitch'. sounds like somebody has something on their mind when they get emotional, just not the idea you are going to rip your opponent a new asshole.. Though lines do get frequently crossed, war isn't to rape, it is to kill. This is sort of the same mentality, right? Notice how much class we view people who rape in war?  Just wondering.
I'm kinda down with that.  I do think there's a difference between using sexual talk in 'trash talk' and straight up trash talk (eg: what's your bra size, the whole mud wrestling bit, sniffing hair) but I like your thought. Just use straight out vulgarity.  Honestly.  Possibly one of the smartest comments yet.
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@unreal999 said:

Patric is taking shit out of context.

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@jmood88 said:

@OneManX said:

@Conceited said:

Great, now a bunch of people who have no idea what happened and have no perspective on this because they aren't involved in the FGC will blow this infinitely out of proportion and think the FGC is filled with scumbags. While I realize Aris is largely to blame for this, this article did not need to be written. Why not do a positive piece on how awesome the FGC is? How accepting they are of Ricky Ortiz (openly gay) and Kayopolice? (Trans-gendered)

Because as a fan of the FGC, you want some of the BS to be called out. Because it's not all the way positive, and while they do accept people like Kayo and Ortiz, there are still snide comments about them. If you want to grow, some of the dirty laundry is gonna get aired.

Gaming in general is filled with a bunch of racist/sexist/homophobic assholes. You could replace "FGC" with "First person shooter" or "sports gaming" community and it would fit.

That doesn't mean... you have to accept it. These guys are in position to make a lot of money of this. And shine a light on Gaming in general. And if people from outside looking in, sees a bunch of, for a lack of a better term, ignorant players it makes anyone look bad if they want to play games professionally and get those big sponsorships.

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What a piece of human waste this Aris is.

And unfortunately it seems that some people in the comments here are actually defending him. Wow.

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@Aohnonono said:

@Pinworm45 said:

@Aohnonono said:

@Phonics said:

Lets completely ignore the fact that the FGC is one of the biggest real life trolling fests where everyone gets blown up all the time. If you can't handle someone telling you that they are going to sniff your hair if you lose then maybe you're in the wrong place. In her audition she claimed that shes into the fighting game community but still she would crack because of Aris acting creepy? What bullshit, she knew she couldn't hack it at the game and didn't really want to be there and this is why this came out. Even Sherry called her soft.

I just feel for the amazing people that could of been on the show instead of her. Regardless of what kind of criticism this brings from various clueless journalists (Jim Sterling) or eeeeesports people, who have ZERO clue what they are talking about, fighting games will continue to bring the hype and big personalities, something other 'esports' still can't do.

Sherry's an uncle tom and she wasn't there in the room whle Miranda was being harassed by aris, she has no say in how super__yan felt or should feel. The fact that you're trying to blame the victim is utterly disgusting. You're blaming Miranda for wasting a spot, you're saying she should have known she was going to be constantly sexually harassed by Aris upon accepting an invitation to the show. Get real.

Someone who was "trash-talked at" - particularly with a group that's known for mutual, jest trash talk - isn't a victim. The very proposition is insulting to people who are actually victims.

It wasn't just trash talk dude, he touched her inappropriately (eg: threatened to sniff her hair and then literally did so when she lost a match). When she left the room upset he said, without her even being there "Good, I hope she's crying in the restroom now". You are literally defending a woman hater and I can't be any clearer than I already have been so I'm done with you.

HE DID THE EXACT SAME THING TO A DUDE. NO ONE GAVE A SHIT, INCLUDING YOU. That does not make him a "woman hater", that's fucking ridiculous. You're the real woman hater, you think women are so inferior and weak that they can't take what men can, and need to be defended from trash talk.

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Like others have said, I wish Patrick would've gotten both sides of the story, including an insider's view from the community (not jared). Running the story without even speaking directly to the participants, or even getting a quote out of them, only provides a superficial glance at the situation and the community as a whole. A really negative one at that. No one's saying the FGC is perfect, but If you're gonna blow up a community, at least get some opposing viewpoints before using one man to paint a really ugly picture of a group of people to outsiders who have no exposure to them. I.E. Do some due diligence beforehand.

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@soundlug:  True you have all those rights but the one right you don't have is the right to shut them up.   Be offended all you want there is a lot of stupid crap spewed by idiots that offend me doesn't mean I ever try to deny their right to say it.   
 
Let people say what they are going to say there is no reason to control those things at all . By the way I don't find the word bitch sexist in the least and the rape that bitch comment yeah I've heard that plenty of times  playing with nothing but guys. Believe it or not in a lot of gaming community rape has a different meaning then most people are use to it's used more to meaning of being beaten extremely badly . 
 
language evolves it's all in the meaning of the words not the words themselves I doubt the guy meant literally  rape that bitch  anymore then when my friends means they shoved something up my ass when they yell they assraped me when they assassinate me in halo. 
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I didn't know Gimli was a gamer. He should go back to his cave.

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@Grondoth said:

Wow, these comments are reminding me how terrible video game people are with gender issues. For a hobby that embraces technological innovation, a big chunk of you guys are pretty backwards. Harassment isn't tolerable. Sexism isn't funny or acceptable. We've got to grow up as a community.

You're clueless. The fighting game community is known for its incredibly offensive trash talk thats almost always good natured and friendly. Example: In a recent tournament there was a really white guy playing and the commentators (who were both black) called him casper the ghost. I'm sure you would of had that tournament shut down and the commentators sued. Or maybe not since he wasnt a girl eh champ?

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@moregrammarplz said:

@Pinworm45 said:

I think the PC culture is fucking garbage and needs to be replaced with something I prefer.

Who the fuck are you to dictate what a group of people can and can not enjoy? Who the fuck are you to be this moral arbiter? How about you exercise your rights to ignore that which you don't like, and partake in that which you do? I'm not going out of my way to force you and your group of friends to swear do whatever you don't like, show me the same respect (or at least that's what I'd say if I was part of their group, I'm not)

But you don't deserve respect. All you do is insult each other and do hateful shit like chant "BITCH BITCH BITCH" when a woman is playing.

I don't care about your culture. Just because eSports wants to be an exclusive little club doesn't exempt them from having to act like decent human beings. Same goes for all the other similar communities that eSports apologists cite as evidence that it's okay to act like complete shitheads.

So your solution to people not showing respect is to not show them respect? Alright, I don't really care. That's their group, their culture, they enjoy it, I'm not going to ask them to change, and apparently you aren't either because you're being just as insulting, doing the exact same thing (actually worse, you aren't doing it in jest) and I'm sure you're no hypocrite.

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@Pinworm45: He's not insulting men for being men he's insulting women for existing. calling him a homo virgin is not sexist, because it is an insult directed at 1 person. not roughly half the population of a species.

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"You can’t go to the NBA and say “hey, I like basketball, but I don’t want them to play with a basketball, I want them to play with a football.”

I need to find out what controller he's got. Apparently it doesn't use buttons, it uses sexual harassment. What the fuck is he even talking about?

"But if there was that much money being spent on Street Fighter, it wouldn’t be happening here, either, you know. There would be more rules, there would be security here, it’s not the same thing. It’s not the same thing."

In other words, he would get replaced by someone a bit more professional.

Whoever's paying him his wage should seriously reconsider what they're paying for.

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@Alkaiser said:

@pekoe212 said:

@Pinworm45 said:

@jasondesante said:

some homo virgin rips on girls because he is fat and hideous and half retarded. Just put him in a corner and let him have his tantrum. Girls that play fighting games are just as cool as guys that play fighting games. Trash talk in fighting games is a last resort for those who aren't comfortable playing the game.

He insults men just as much as girls.. just no one gives a shit about that. People have to white knight girls, which is sexist itself, because it's implying that women can't handle trash talk, which apparently this one couldn't. Pretty fucking ironic that you proceed to call this guy a "homo virgin" who can't get girls because he is fat, as if that is somehow any less sexist than anything he has ever said. it is in fact more sexist, because his "sexism" was merely gendered insults like "bitch".

The difference to me, is that usually men are insulted for not being "man" enough, i.e. being like a woman. And a woman is insulted for....being a woman. That's why it can really hurt sometimes. That my membership in the other 50% of the population can be used as an "insult" against me, a "weakness," you can't really dismiss someone's worth at a more basic level.

I don't really have anything to add to this issue except for the fact that I can feel the my blood pressure spike up everytime I hear the term 'white knighting.' Because apparently guys are only offended by sexism because they want to get laid.

And not, you know, because they've had something bad happen to someone they care about like their mom or someone similar who was victimized for being a woman. Or a friend who was bullied for being a 'bitch' or 'slut' and ended up doing something to hurt themselves out of shame or sadness.

Shit like racism or sexism shouldn't be tolerated by anyone, male or female.

Except it's not sexism. Trash talking a girl is not fucking sexism. It is not sexism any more than trash talking a guy is. You know what's sexism? not allowing women to vote. Not letting them advance in their career.

You know what's not sexism? Trash talking women in a video game with a culture and group based around trash talk. The fact that no one cared when he did this to men, makes this white knighting. The fact that people think women are such fragile, inferior creatures that they need to be defended but men don't makes this white knighting.

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@Pinworm45 said:

He's doing it in jest and it's part of the culture. He's hardly the only one who does it, and it's the type of culture that he and his peers enjoy. Who are you to tell them to change?

I am a decent human being, for starters, at least I'd like to think so. I'm not talking about just this one man, the entire idea of a 'culture' that involves this garbage at a fundamental level is absolutely repugnant to me, but not as much as the idea of people defending it as though fighting games would somehow become "less pure" if their fans weren't allowed to be racist, homophobic, or misogynistic.
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@Pinworm45 said:

@Aohnonono said:

@Phonics said:

Lets completely ignore the fact that the FGC is one of the biggest real life trolling fests where everyone gets blown up all the time. If you can't handle someone telling you that they are going to sniff your hair if you lose then maybe you're in the wrong place. In her audition she claimed that shes into the fighting game community but still she would crack because of Aris acting creepy? What bullshit, she knew she couldn't hack it at the game and didn't really want to be there and this is why this came out. Even Sherry called her soft.

I just feel for the amazing people that could of been on the show instead of her. Regardless of what kind of criticism this brings from various clueless journalists (Jim Sterling) or eeeeesports people, who have ZERO clue what they are talking about, fighting games will continue to bring the hype and big personalities, something other 'esports' still can't do.

Sherry's an uncle tom and she wasn't there in the room whle Miranda was being harassed by aris, she has no say in how super__yan felt or should feel. The fact that you're trying to blame the victim is utterly disgusting. You're blaming Miranda for wasting a spot, you're saying she should have known she was going to be constantly sexually harassed by Aris upon accepting an invitation to the show. Get real.

Someone who was "trash-talked at" - particularly with a group that's known for mutual, jest trash talk - isn't a victim. The very proposition is insulting to people who are actually victims.

It wasn't just trash talk dude, he touched her inappropriately (eg: threatened to sniff her hair and then literally did so when she lost a match). When she left the room upset he said, without her even being there "Good, I hope she's crying in the restroom now". You are literally defending a woman hater and I can't be any clearer than I already have been so I'm done with you.

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What an asshole. It would be a shame if people assume he represents the FGC.

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Ever notice how the freedom of speech used to defend people's right to not be politically correct (read: deliberately rude) is somehow not a defense for calling them out on it. You're free to be an asshole, I'm free to call you one. I know which side of that equation I want to be on.

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This is horribly depressing. Does Aris honestly believe that being a disrespectful asshole is an integral part of the fighting game community? His comments are uneducated, juvenile, and disgusting. Fuck that arrogant asshole.

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Duke Nukem would be proud of this guy. =P

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"Sometimes people sexually harass other people, and some people like ketchup on their fries. Some people say the n-word and want to rid the world of minorities, some people like Pepsi."

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Hold on, professor, you're making TOO MUCH SENSE to the class.

There was a time when gamers did not want to be identified as loser nerds who live in their mom's basement; now it's assholes who cannot begin to comprehend the horrible things they say out loud, and make piss-poor excuses to justify their ignorance. That's what I'm ashamed of.

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Patric is taking shit out of context. Seriously read up and do research before making shit up. Also, opinion of ARIS does not reflect on entire fighting game scene. But this post is from somebody from the outside, who has no idea what is going on.

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@pekoe212 said:

@Pinworm45 said:

@jasondesante said:

some homo virgin rips on girls because he is fat and hideous and half retarded. Just put him in a corner and let him have his tantrum. Girls that play fighting games are just as cool as guys that play fighting games. Trash talk in fighting games is a last resort for those who aren't comfortable playing the game.

He insults men just as much as girls.. just no one gives a shit about that. People have to white knight girls, which is sexist itself, because it's implying that women can't handle trash talk, which apparently this one couldn't. Pretty fucking ironic that you proceed to call this guy a "homo virgin" who can't get girls because he is fat, as if that is somehow any less sexist than anything he has ever said. it is in fact more sexist, because his "sexism" was merely gendered insults like "bitch".

The difference to me, is that usually men are insulted for not being "man" enough, i.e. being like a woman. And a woman is insulted for....being a woman. That's why it can really hurt sometimes. That my membership in the other 50% of the population can be used as an "insult" against me, a "weakness," you can't really dismiss someone's worth at a more basic level.

I don't really have anything to add to this issue except for the fact that I can feel the my blood pressure spike up everytime I hear the term 'white knighting.' Because apparently guys are only offended by sexism because they want to get laid.

And not, you know, because they've had something bad happen to someone they care about like their mom or someone similar who was victimized for being a woman. Or a friend who was bullied for being a 'bitch' or 'slut' and ended up doing something to hurt themselves out of shame or sadness.

Shit like racism or sexism shouldn't be tolerated by anyone, male or female.