Why is Heavy Rain on this list?

#1 Posted by Vigorousjammer (2525 posts) -

Heavy Rain doesn't even have any camera support, does it?

#2 Posted by sixghost (1679 posts) -

because the guy with the fancy sunglasses

#3 Posted by AlexW00d (6386 posts) -
@sixghost said:
" because the guy with the fancy sunglasses "
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#4 Edited by Vigorousjammer (2525 posts) -
@sixghost said:
" because the guy with the fancy sunglasses "

so? that's not augmented reality at all... that's just future tech as envisioned in the game... should we attach all sci-fi games with future AR tech in them?
#5 Posted by Zidd (1857 posts) -
@Vigorousjammer: The sunglasses recoginize and highlight things that Norman sees. How is that not augmented reality? I think there should be a seperate concept page for games that contain augmented reality and a separate concept page for augmented reality as a gameplay mechanic.
#6 Edited by CL60 (16906 posts) -

They highlight objects he sees.

#7 Posted by Zidd (1857 posts) -
@CL60:
Thats virtual reality not augmented reality.
#8 Posted by iAmJohn (6131 posts) -

I'm with vigorousjammer on this.  That really seems like a stretch considering what the concept is actually meant to be referencing.

#9 Posted by CL60 (16906 posts) -
@Zidd said:
" @CL60: Thats virtual reality not augmented reality. "
Not the other part I said. The other part is Augmented.
#10 Edited by Zidd (1857 posts) -
@CL60: You must have edited your post while I was writing my response.
#11 Posted by sixghost (1679 posts) -
@iAmJohn said:
" I'm with vigorousjammer on this.  That really seems like a stretch considering what the concept is actually meant to be referencing. "
If the concept is supposed to be for AR games, then you're right. I don't see how someone could argue that those glasses don't fall under the umbrella of augmented reality though.
#12 Posted by iAmJohn (6131 posts) -
@sixghost said:
" @iAmJohn said:
" I'm with vigorousjammer on this.  That really seems like a stretch considering what the concept is actually meant to be referencing. "
If the concept is supposed to be for AR games, then you're right. I don't see how someone could argue that those glasses don't fall under the umbrella of augmented reality though. "
Augmented reality to the characters of the in-game universe, though, not to the player.  I think that distinction needs to be made, and I think based on how the article is written, it's meant to be for things like Eyepet and Face Raiders.  That definitely should be broken off into its own concept, though!
#13 Posted by animathias (1194 posts) -

I say there should be a separate concept page down the line of "Augmented Game World." The two games I keep going back to are Heavy Rain and Silent Hill: Shattered Memories where some sort of augmented world is prominent to the storytelling and atmosphere of the game. There are more than a few games where characters use technology that parallels what we call augmented reality for storytelling and gameplay options, and I think it's viable for it's own concept page. 

#14 Posted by MistaSparkle (2148 posts) -

Ari comment.  Ari comment.  Ari comment.  Ari comment.

#15 Posted by gla55jAw (2693 posts) -
@sixghost said:
" because the guy with the fancy sunglasses "
That made me laugh.
#16 Posted by DoctorTran (1570 posts) -
@MistaSparkle
Ari comment.  Ari comment.  Ari comment.  Ari comment.
...ARI comment.
#17 Posted by kingzetta (4307 posts) -
@Vigorousjammer said:
" @sixghost said:
" because the guy with the fancy sunglasses "
so? that's not augmented reality at all... that's just future tech as envisioned in the game... should we attach all sci-fi games with future AR tech in them? "
it's AR for him
It's still real to him damn it
#18 Posted by Scarlet_Rogue (502 posts) -
"Real world information improved in some way by the inclusion of computer generated data. Typically done using a virtual overlay on a real image. "    
 
That's from the augmented reality page on GB. 
That's what ARi does in the game. 
 
If Scribblenauts is listed under headphones, I don't see why this is a problem.
#19 Posted by Scarlet_Rogue (502 posts) -
@Vigorousjammer:  we should.
#20 Posted by benpicko (2011 posts) -

I got a quest for clicking this. Thanks.

#21 Edited by mutha3 (4986 posts) -
@iAmJohn said:

" I'm with vigorousjammer on this.  That really seems like a stretch considering what the concept is actually meant to be referencing. "

@iAmJohn said:

" @sixghost said:

" @iAmJohn said:

" I'm with vigorousjammer on this.  That really seems like a stretch considering what the concept is actually meant to be referencing. "

If the concept is supposed to be for AR games, then you're right. I don't see how someone could argue that those glasses don't fall under the umbrella of augmented reality though. "
Augmented reality to the characters of the in-game universe, though, not to the player.  I think that distinction needs to be made, and I think based on how the article is written, it's meant to be for things like Eyepet and Face Raiders.  That definitely should be broken off into its own concept, though! "
 Nahman's future glasses make holographs of objects appear and even magically analyze dna and displays it before his eyes(lol heavy rain)
 
I don't see how that's not AR. 
 
EDIT: the concept should be expanded. I don't think making separate "ingame" and ""real-life"  pages does anyone any good.
 
Also, I'm an idiot who shouldn't skim posts. sorry.
#22 Posted by Hailinel (25201 posts) -
@mutha3 said:
" @iAmJohn said:

" I'm with vigorousjammer on this.  That really seems like a stretch considering what the concept is actually meant to be referencing. "

@iAmJohn said:

" @sixghost said:

" @iAmJohn said:

" I'm with vigorousjammer on this.  That really seems like a stretch considering what the concept is actually meant to be referencing. "
If the concept is supposed to be for AR games, then you're right. I don't see how someone could argue that those glasses don't fall under the umbrella of augmented reality though. "
Augmented reality to the characters of the in-game universe, though, not to the player.  I think that distinction needs to be made, and I think based on how the article is written, it's meant to be for things like Eyepet and Face Raiders.  That definitely should be broken off into its own concept, though! "
 Nahman's future glasses make holographs of objects appear and even magically analyze dna and displays it before his eyes(lol heavy rain)  I don't see how that's not AR. "
Because it's an in-game device that displays information strictly within the boundaries of the in-game universe.  It is nothing akin to something like Face Raiders, where our reality is the one displayed through the camera lens and being augmented.
#23 Posted by mutha3 (4986 posts) -
@Hailinel: Then I think the page should be expanded to fit examples like ARI as well. Or a new one should be made.
 
Plenty of games have AR to the in-game characters themselves
#24 Edited by MrKlorox (11209 posts) -

The obvious solution is to make one a concept (games that use AR such as Face Raiders) and the other an object (games that feature AR in the fiction such as Heavy Rain).

#25 Posted by dudeglove (8144 posts) -

Because the game's ridiculous plot is so utterly full of holes it only works if it takes place in a separate reality altogether.

#26 Posted by Hailinel (25201 posts) -
@mutha3 said:
" @Hailinel: Then I think the page should be expanded to fit examples like ARI as well. Or a new one should be made.  Plenty of games have AR to the in-game characters themselves "
Then it should be a new page of some sort, because this page is about AR as it exists in real life and not in fictional universes.
#27 Posted by B0nd07 (1701 posts) -

Wouldn't the Heavy Rain glasses fall under the Detective Mode concept? 

"A newly-emerging feature in games that allows you to see objects and objectives more clearly than the game's regular vision allows."

 
Besides, it appears as though someone already removed Heavy Rain from the AR games list.
#28 Posted by Vigorousjammer (2525 posts) -
@iAmJohn said:
I think that distinction needs to be made, and I think based on how the article is written, it's meant to be for things like Eyepet and Face Raiders.  That definitely should be broken off into its own concept, though! "
completely agree with this.

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