i was playing rush on isla Inocentes and we struggle to taking the second stage of crates then we get the third and they literally take the hill 
as i am headed up the hill to fight i see a guy in a tank with a turret gunner shooting the opposite direction with a engineer repairing them (there was no helocopter in the air)
I wish this game had a mandatory tutorial then maybe teammates might be a little better  
am I the only one who thinks this

Most people really, really suck at BC2. 
 
But there's always one guy who can kill you without even trying. Look out for him. He's always there, watching.

Go with friends i guess

There will always be complete morons online, but BC2 has it so much worse than the first game.  I blame COD converts.

The fact that this game has such a high level of entry to play online keeps me from buying it. Other shooters such as Halo and the COD series can still be fun to beginners who are jumping in for the first time but BF doesnt seem to be that way.

" The fact that this game has such a high level of entry to play online keeps me from buying it. Other shooters such as Halo and the COD series can still be fun to beginners who are jumping in for the first time but BF doesnt seem to be that way. "

If they're already at level 20 and they're still acting stupid in the battlefield, then it's unforgivable.  But if you see your teammate to be at level 1-5 and still learning to drive the vehicles or trying to learn the basics of BFBC2, don't be elitists and give them a break.  They're just trying to have fun learning the game, especially players who just started playing FPS games. 
 
And I do believe BFBC2 caters to beginners since it does give you points in being a team player, not just on killing enemies.  So if you're still trying to get a hang of the game, you can give out med packs or ammo or tag targets with tracer darts or spot enemies.  You can actually gain like 1000 points just doing team-support actions.  Unlike in the Call of Duty games, you enter the war zone and the only way to gain points is to kill, so if you're a beginner, you'll just get killed without gaining points (or just minimal points).

" The fact that this game has such a high level of entry to play online keeps me from buying it. Other shooters such as Halo and the COD series can still be fun to beginners who are jumping in for the first time but BF doesnt seem to be that way. "

I agree with the mandatory tutorial, especially with helicopters. It's so frustrating to get in one and have the pilot go flying backwards into something as soon as they lift off the ground

I dunno, tutorial in grammar might be nice too.
 
Cause you know? Online players are so stupid.

I find that sorta ridicules in games when people can't drive vehicles. I went from being a casual battlefield 2 player, quit to play "Call of Duty 4", then quit that to play "Arma 2", and was still able to hop right into Bad Company 2 earlier this year.

There are so many stupid people playing games online that it's mind blowing. I end up thinking about this almost everytime i play a game online. it gets frustrating after a while.

" There will always be complete morons online, but BC2 has it so much worse than the first game.  I blame COD converts. "

Tutorials don't cure stupidity :(

Wait a minute.  You have to complete those objectives things to win?  I though I just had to get points.  Anyway including repairing and using other specs.

" Wait a minute.  You have to complete those objectives things to win?  I though I just had to get points.  Anyway including repairing and using other specs. "

Well I guess I was wrong as people are telling me that BFBC2 can be accessible to newcomers I think I might get it soon if the price is right and try it out. I have played 1943 quite a bit but I know that that game was dumbed down.

Jakob and I have talked about this before.. mostly about WoW. Weve always said that you should have to take some sort of test and based on how you score it gives you a list of servers you can play on. Weve also talked about how in online shooters you should gain access to higher lobbies with better players based on how well you perform the task for the mode youre playing ( high kill/death ratio in TDM etc...), but also to help avoid people boosting off noobs make it where you cant drop into lower brackets once youve reached a certain tier of play.