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    #251  Edited By xyzygy

    The fact that she wishes we could just skip to cutscenes is a prime example of the completely shit road that Bioware is continually walking down.

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    #252  Edited By mdnthrvst

    Ohh, Reddit, you're our favorite punching bag.

    We beat you at Tribes, we beat you at humor, and now, even after WE coined Hamburger Helper, and stoked those first fires of righteous indignation, you are the ones who take the bullet for us.

    Your boundless and eternal gratitude, /v/

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    #253  Edited By wrighteous86

    @Applederp said:

    @Example1013: Oh man, you should see the one screencap of people asking why characters like Zevran and Lelania could be killed in Origins but were suddenly alive again in 2. Gaider comes in and basically says "WELL IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR CHOICE WAS IN THE LAST GAME WE CHANGED IT SO DEAL WITH IT". Then he proceeds to call everyone in the thread trying to give honest criticism trolls and leaves.

    That was when I lost the faith.

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    #254  Edited By superfriend

    @TheGorilla said:

    @Animasta: @CL60:

    All forms of writing are not equal. I'm not a religious man, but Christ! Just because someone wrote a good movie does not mean they are capable of writing a good comic book, and just because someone can write good game criticism does not mean they are capable of writing a good game. Creative mediums are different and just because we call them all writers doesn't mean they really do the same thing. Sure, someone is capable of writing something for a medium that they don't particularly enjoy, but those people are rarely considered great writers by any stretch.

    Writing is tied up in design a lot more than you realize. Someone has to write your quests and when they write those quests they have to write the objectives and the motivations and they have to be fun. If those things aren't all tied together in an interesting way the experience tends to not be fun. If someone else designs a quest and tells a writer to fill in the story the chances that the story elements are uninteresting greatly increase. And if a writer who doesn't care for gameplay designs a quest the chances of it being fun greatly decrease. Design and writing go hand in hand a lot more than you realize. If all you're talking about is the books in skyrim or the background lore in some world you might be right, but the bulk of a game's writing is directly tied to what you as a player are actually doing and if the writer doesn't like being the player you might have a problem.

    If you still think I'm the crazy one you should listen to the Irrational interview with Guillermo del Toro. They talk in depth about the importance of understanding the medium you're working in.

    Yes! This guy knows what he is talking about. For some reason people seem to think the writing and direction in games and movies are alike. They are not. Just as games ar not movies. Or books. I think what you brought up is often forgotten just because of the unbelievable amount of film lingo that gets thrown around by all kinds of folks these days. Problem is, most of these people have no clue about writing, storytelling or moviemaking and they frantically try to apply whatever little thing they know to the games industry. Shit is more complicated than that.

    About the bioware thing: Shame this stuff still happens.. she probably shouldn´t have responded in such an immature way ("heh, all youse dorks dun get laid" is not a very good comeback), but this whole thing goes a little too far.

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    #255  Edited By Sooty

    @Bobby_The_Great said:

    If it was a choice between her and fapping, I'd keep fapping.

    Me too.

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    #256  Edited By Mike76x

    @BrockNRolla said:

    @Mike76x said:

    @FLStyle said:

    @Mike76x said:

    @FLStyle said:

    @Mike76x said:

    @BrockNRolla said:

    @dabe said:

    People probably wouldn't be so annoyed if she never worked on Dragon Age 2. Just saying...

    Maybe the best and only justification for hating her.

    She also worked on Dragon Age: Origins and worked mostly on the Orzammar segments.

    I don't recall the Orzammar section having any major problems, what I do know is that she ruined Anders in DAII, but that's a discussion for another thread.

    This entire thing has been one giant mess and I hope BioWare, or at least the few employees involved, learn from it.

    According to David Gaider, it was decided how Anders was going to be before they chose who wrote him.

    He said he set it up that way, and he was not going to be as he was in Awakenings.

    Gaider originally wrote Anders in DA:A and Fenris in DA 2.

    I have no doubts that Gaider would've done a much better job portraying new Anders better, although a certain amount of my DAII Anders dislike also has to be credited to the change of voice actor too.

    Keep this in mind Gay Gamers Want Dragon Age 2 Writer Fired

    ...and this Dragon Age 2 writer responds to complaint about BioWare neglecting 'straight male' demographic

    ...and one more Dear David Gaider: Why didn't you write Anders?

    "I'm not certain what it is you assume I would have done differently. The role Anders plays in the sequel was set by myself as well as by the writing team, prior to anyone writing him. Even if I had been the one to write him, he most certainly would not have been the witty fellow you remember from Awakening... he's changed, in some very substantial ways, and if you're mourning the fact that he's different I can safely say that's very much part of the point.

    A successful character provokes strong reactions. So I would say Anders was quite successful even if I didn't approve of Jennifer's writing job on him-- which I very much do. I think she did a stellar job. While there's always some trepidation in seeing someone else touch your baby, I had no reservations once I saw how she handled him.

    If you felt less connected to your followers, that's too bad. There could be many reasons for that, but if the requirement to someone feeling connected is having long, rambling conversations in the party camp... I can safely say that's unlikely to happen again. I could see front-loading the characters a bit more so players are more thoroughly introduced (as it was, a lot of the character interaction ended up in Act 2 quite by accident) but I have absolutely no intention of returning to the reams of expository dialogue as a replacement for character development anytime soon."

    Hepler is just an easy troll target.

    She made a simple comment 6 years ago about not liking certain elements of RPGs, she's not terribly attractive, she worked on Dragon Age 2, and she responded to being trolled.

    Ha, I've enjoyed reading this long debate. Nevertheless, I have to say stating a character's value based on the "reaction" they provoke seems like a terrible idea. I think Duke Nukem is a terrible character given all the bravado and sexism that spews out of this mouth, but my angry reaction certainly doesn't serve as evidence to prove he is a "quite successful" character. I think new Anders was offensive and poorly conceived, and unfortunately, the writing is where we derive out impression of said character.

    Of course, it's a matter of opinion. I want the DA series to follow the template of DA:O as it is easily one of my favorite games this generation, but unfortunately that doesn't seem to be where the series is going. I'm guessing though they've gained more fans than they've lost over the whole scene-change, so who am I so say they were wrong?

    Regardless of any negative feelings I have towards the writing or direction of the series though, it's obviously not pertinent to attack someone personally for their artistic vision just because you disagree with it.

    Gaider is right, for me at least. That chantry business...I've never been so pissed at a video game character, and at the same time I needed him in my party.

    I stared at the screen for maybe 5 minutes wondering what to do.

    Then because of that choice, I lost 2 more companions. I was honestly surprised by that turn of events.

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    #257  Edited By Dylabaloo

    C'mon people learn some respect and grow the fuck up! It's just a video game..

    @CL60 said:

    The amount of internet hatred Bioware has gotten ever since Dragon Age 2 has been retarded. 1 game that didn't meet the standards set by the first one, and the internet goes into hate mode, and immediately everything Bioware does is bad.

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    #258  Edited By donchipotle

    @Manhattan_Project said:

    @DonChipotle: What you are talking about is stuff like r/jailbait which did not have any child porn. Was it morally wrong, sure, but not illegal. It was shut down when SAF decided to attack Reddit and pretend to trade child porn. As son as the admins found about the trading they shut it down. The shutting down of this and subsequent banning of anything similiar last week are a direct response to the SAF attack and the knee-jerk reaction on Anderson Cooper. Later when the posts on SAF were discovered not a single outlet reported on it.

    Or you can believe sites like Gawker that didn't actually do any investigation and actively hate Reddit, thats fine too.

    Bottom line is you shouldn't try to pigeon hole 20 million users based on the shittiest ones. As much as you want to believe it, stuff like r/jailbait weren't some of the most popular, not even close. That belongs to r/ama, r/funny, r/todayilearned, r/worldnews all of them populated by scientist, janitors, nurses, lawyers, carpenters, professional athletes, students, the list goes on and on. You can't judge GB by all the idiots you see everyday so why the fuck are people trying to judge a community ten (maybe twenty) times its size by its shittiest members. It makes no sense.

    Funny how after r/jailbait shut down a bunch of other subreddits like Preeteen Girls and truejailbait and 'n-word jailbait' because that's totally a good thing to have. Racism and morally wrong content that falls in line with what child porn. "Oh but Reddit doesn't host the images" that's not an excuse. The co founder is on video blaming the young girls for posting the images on the internet, yet the sidebar for jailbait specifically asks for the girls to submit their own photos. There were literally rings of child porn distribution on the fucking website. I don't care if your website donated money to cure AIDS, if the people who run your website know of actual honest to god child porn and do NOTHING to stop it, your website is tarnished. Here's an idea: don't allow those types of subreddits. Why is there a subreddit dedicated to showing pictures of dead children? Dedicated to beating women? Dedicated to beating cripples? Dedicated to raping women? That kind of shit does not belong on websites like Reddit. And they continue to exist because the admins and self modded staff don't give a shit. If /b/ can get off its ass and moderate shit like that, why not Reddit?

    I don't judge Reddit on its user base. I judge Reddit because it is a terrible website that exists solely to prey on nostalgia and not posting anything original outside of the rare AMA with some celebrity no one cares about like Ken Jennings. The fact that the distribution of child porn was allowed is only icing. I hate maybe a handful of Redditors. They aren't why I dislike Reddit.

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    @DonChipotle: /b/ is the equivalent of a subreddit so your comparison is complete BS.

    So many things in your post are factually wrong its fucking amazing.

    Its clear that you're dead set on being an ignorant fool so I'm just going to agree to disagree. : )

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    #260  Edited By donchipotle

    @Manhattan_Project said:

    @DonChipotle: /b/ is the equivalent of a subreddit so your comparison is complete BS.

    So many things in your post are factually wrong its fucking amazing.

    Its clear that you're dead set on being an ignorant fool so I'm just going to agree to disagree. : )

    No, my comparison is not BS at all. /b/, the part of 4chan that everyone hated on and called the worst part of the internet has a better internal modding staff than Reddit. That says a lot.

    Oh, so you are going to say that the subreddits I mentioned don't exist? Because they totally do. Are you going to say the co founder didn't say that? Because he did. Are you going to say the distribution of child porn didn't happen? Because it did.

    But go ahead, say how I am wrong because you're a Redditor. Hey, if you wanna use Reddit, go ahead, I have no problem with people that use Reddit. Other than the handful of users that actively participate in the subreddits mentioned or users like Violentacrez. And all of f7u12.

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    #261  Edited By TheDudeOfGaming
    @Clinkz said:

    Yeah, Bioware has had a long fall from grace for me. I do not think I will be buying anymore of their games. It baffles me why everyone is looking so forward to mass effect 3 especially when this person worked on it.

    Freakin' followed.
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    #262  Edited By Sackmanjones
    @SagaciousJones I'm very uneasy knowing that you have a very similar user name to me AND have leon has your profile pic. I do not like this one bit good sir. Not. One. Bit.
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    #263  Edited By BaneFireLord

    But...there is a fast forward button. It's called "YouTube."

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    #264  Edited By MideonNViscera

    @MiniPato said:

    @SeriouslyNow said:

    @MiniPato said:

    @SeriouslyNow said:

    It's her fault. She didn't need to respond. She deserves all the flack she got and frankly she deserves quite a lot of that flack from female gamers and women in general. Her comment was stupid and sexist. like her idea to fast forward gameplay because womenhave things to do. She may not be the cancer which is killing Bioware, but she isn't helping the to craft a good perception of Bioware, female gamers and adults in general. She's clearly an unattractive, unhappy person who has had some limelight shed on her and is getting slightly drunk on the power that comes with it. She needs to craft some form of apology and she needs to get the audience on her side quickly because Bioware is an EA company and they will drop her like a hot potato if this goes on too long. They have investors to worry about and bad press isn't always a good thing.

    Fuck that 'blaming the victim' bullshit.

    First off, the comment wasn't sexist. People are just blinded by self entitlement and are looking for any number of reasons to paint Bioware in the wrong in this fight that the joke flies right over their head. Can't get either ( a vagina), meaning can't get pussy, not getting laid, got no game with the girls. She's essentially calling her haters losers, not dirty men. Perhaps the only thing sexist about it was that she assumed all her critics are male. She wasn't stereotyping gamers, just addressing her harassers. Does that make it okay? No, but I just want to clarify that it wasn't a sexist statement. Well fuck it, it does make it okay because she doesn't deserve flack for being sexist. Some gamers are just childish, self entitled fucks who are willing ignore whatever you say and do as long as you make the games they want and are willing to pummel you into the ground until you snap and paint you as an aggressor if you make games they don't want. Notch made a casual twitter joke about "giving the niggers the right to vote" but that shit blew over quickly and no one really extrapolated anything of his character or Mojang's ethics from it cause they made fucking minecraft and are new and so they get a free pass. But a writer decides to bite back cause she's had enough of people attacking her and harassing her and all the sudden Bioware is the devil.

    Sure she could ignore all the comments calling her a "fat cunt" and "a cancer," but they'd just find other ways to shit on her and all the other Bioware employees for that matter. Facebook, twitter, reddit, email, or even good old fashioned paper mail. I'm sure everyone at Bioware is sick of the flak they've been getting since DA2. I don't really care about the games Bioware makes, but I'm sick of gamers asking for their bottle just because they aren't getting the exact type of games they want. If you want to tell a company how to run their business, then vote with your wallet, not with a flurry of personal attacks.

    She's a public figure working for a public company. She should know better and so should you.

    Oh I know better, don't think I don't. But how the hell does she deserve to be called a "fat cunt" and receive death threats just because it's in the context of PR business bullshit? Did she respond to the situation poorly? Yes, but that doesn't justify everything that's been lobbed against her.

    While your point is fine, if you're going for the jugular on a bunch of pissed off nerds on the internet, you better expect an extreme(ly retarded) response.

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    #265  Edited By time allen

    what she said initially was stupid because why the fuck would you want to play games without the actual game part? go watch a movie or read a book. you will have a significantly better time because, newsflash, a lot of games have shitty writing. i'd wager that the vast majority of games are carried by their gameplay completely.

    that said: nerds getting butthurt. the vagina remark was also hilariously stupid.

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    #266  Edited By zeushbien

    Christ.. What has this whole thing come to? They make video games for petes sake. Hardly anything to harass somebody over is it?

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    #267  Edited By FLStyle

    @Mike76x said:

    @BrockNRolla said:

    @Mike76x said:

    @FLStyle said:

    @Mike76x said:

    @FLStyle said:

    @Mike76x said:

    @BrockNRolla said:

    @dabe said:

    People probably wouldn't be so annoyed if she never worked on Dragon Age 2. Just saying...

    Maybe the best and only justification for hating her.

    She also worked on Dragon Age: Origins and worked mostly on the Orzammar segments.

    I don't recall the Orzammar section having any major problems, what I do know is that she ruined Anders in DAII, but that's a discussion for another thread.

    This entire thing has been one giant mess and I hope BioWare, or at least the few employees involved, learn from it.

    According to David Gaider, it was decided how Anders was going to be before they chose who wrote him.

    He said he set it up that way, and he was not going to be as he was in Awakenings.

    Gaider originally wrote Anders in DA:A and Fenris in DA 2.

    I have no doubts that Gaider would've done a much better job portraying new Anders better, although a certain amount of my DAII Anders dislike also has to be credited to the change of voice actor too.

    Keep this in mind Gay Gamers Want Dragon Age 2 Writer Fired

    ...and this Dragon Age 2 writer responds to complaint about BioWare neglecting 'straight male' demographic

    ...and one more Dear David Gaider: Why didn't you write Anders?

    "I'm not certain what it is you assume I would have done differently. The role Anders plays in the sequel was set by myself as well as by the writing team, prior to anyone writing him. Even if I had been the one to write him, he most certainly would not have been the witty fellow you remember from Awakening... he's changed, in some very substantial ways, and if you're mourning the fact that he's different I can safely say that's very much part of the point.

    A successful character provokes strong reactions. So I would say Anders was quite successful even if I didn't approve of Jennifer's writing job on him-- which I very much do. I think she did a stellar job. While there's always some trepidation in seeing someone else touch your baby, I had no reservations once I saw how she handled him.

    If you felt less connected to your followers, that's too bad. There could be many reasons for that, but if the requirement to someone feeling connected is having long, rambling conversations in the party camp... I can safely say that's unlikely to happen again. I could see front-loading the characters a bit more so players are more thoroughly introduced (as it was, a lot of the character interaction ended up in Act 2 quite by accident) but I have absolutely no intention of returning to the reams of expository dialogue as a replacement for character development anytime soon."

    Hepler is just an easy troll target.

    She made a simple comment 6 years ago about not liking certain elements of RPGs, she's not terribly attractive, she worked on Dragon Age 2, and she responded to being trolled.

    Ha, I've enjoyed reading this long debate. Nevertheless, I have to say stating a character's value based on the "reaction" they provoke seems like a terrible idea. I think Duke Nukem is a terrible character given all the bravado and sexism that spews out of this mouth, but my angry reaction certainly doesn't serve as evidence to prove he is a "quite successful" character. I think new Anders was offensive and poorly conceived, and unfortunately, the writing is where we derive out impression of said character.

    Of course, it's a matter of opinion. I want the DA series to follow the template of DA:O as it is easily one of my favorite games this generation, but unfortunately that doesn't seem to be where the series is going. I'm guessing though they've gained more fans than they've lost over the whole scene-change, so who am I so say they were wrong?

    Regardless of any negative feelings I have towards the writing or direction of the series though, it's obviously not pertinent to attack someone personally for their artistic vision just because you disagree with it.

    Gaider is right, for me at least. That chantry business...I've never been so pissed at a video game character, and at the same time I needed him in my party.

    I stared at the screen for maybe 5 minutes wondering what to do.

    Then because of that choice, I lost 2 more companions. I was honestly surprised by that turn of events.

    My issues with the game at that point had rendered me uninterested in the game's events, even more so that it heavily involved New Anders, I just killed him off and went about getting to the end of the game. And then I was done. I suspect this wasn't the strong reaction Gaider was looking for.

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    #268  Edited By Vinny_Says

    @doublezeroduck said:

    "I just figure they're jealous that I get to have both a vagina AND a games industry job, and they can't get either."

    Just plain awesome.

    Have you seen this woman? I wouldn't brag.

    When will people realise that fighting with the internet results in nothing but trouble for yourself and the people you represent. Yes in the end everyone loses but the internet is a faceless entity while, in this case, Bioware is a company that sells games. Oh the internet is the black hole of humanity? It always has been so anything it does, including shit like this has no repurcussions; Bioware employees telling people to fuck off does.

    I couln't give 2 shits about either Reddit or this woman but I'm always surprised at how people fall into the trap every...single...time....

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    #269  Edited By NegativeCero

    This is hilarious. That is all.

    Edit: After actually reading both sides of the story, the internet is being the scum of the Earth again. I don't agree with her original point of dumbing down games, but she doesn't deserve to be berated by assholes who feel like they could do a better job.

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    #270  Edited By frankxiv

    this new trend of

    • acting like an asshole
    • getting treated like an asshole
    • taking screenshots and posting them around the internet
    • acting surprised and outraged

    is getting really silly

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    #271  Edited By PixelPrinny

    Pro-tip for developers: If your gameplay could benefit from a fast-forward button, your game has shitty gameplay.

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    #272  Edited By rb_man

    So I got to like page 10 or 11 and then I just stopped giving a shit and just started to wish that a MOD would kill this thread.

    P.S. She my be a bad writer that dose not get the medium but I don't think she should get all that hate and I don't think she should have acted the way she did.

    P.S.2.What I think this all stems from is the fact that gamers just can't enjoy games anymore there too busy being cynical and trying to find shit wrong with games then try to find what is right.

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    #273  Edited By Applederp
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    Just read the quote. Hope you enjoy the heightened blood pressure

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    #274  Edited By amir90

    @Applederp said:

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    Just read the quote. Hope you enjoy the heightened blood pressure

    Am I a bad person for only recognizing one of them, maybe two?

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    #275  Edited By korwin

    @amir90 said:

    @Applederp said:

    No Caption Provided

    Just read the quote. Hope you enjoy the heightened blood pressure

    Am I a bad person for only recognizing one of them, maybe two?

    Provided you recognized Terry Pratchett as one of the two your in the clear :P

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    #276  Edited By AhmadMetallic

    I haven't been into RPGs for more than two years and therefore never were a fan of Bioware, so here's my neutral and rather poorly-informed impression of this whole deal based on Bioware's history versus the neo-Bioware since Mass Effect 2: 
    There was once a great PC/Xbox role playing developer that created groundbreaking games with epic scope, challenging/skillful gameplay and deep literary writing, stealing the hearts of millions of game enthusiasts in the process, that recently started making crappy actiony games with lazy writing that relied heavily on intercourse scenes and sexual themes. And this woman seems to be the head of this radical change.  
     
    I don't see a problem with how she was treated and attacked, IF my impression above ^ is correct.  
    Video games are thee most engaging and memorable medium of media out there, it's the one medium that turns fans into dedicated legions, drenched in nostalgia and hungry for more. It satisfies our emotions, our sports-ish needs for challenge and action, allows us to gain new skills and also hits our "literature spot" with good writing, all kinds of tales and stories and lore, and characters to love/hate and remember.  
    I do NOT believe in the absurd concept of "games belong to their makers." That's horse shit. Games belong to the people who bought them and played them for thousands of hours. If this woman wants to waltz in and water down the joint that's been loved and followed by fans for over a decade, she deserves their wrath. 
     
     
    @Three0neFive said:

    Maybe now people will finally realize what hypocritical, overly-aggressive, theiving fucks the vast majority of redditors are.

    Not only am I interested in why you hate reddit users, but how does this incident show any hypocrisy or thieving on their behalf? Do they praise Bioware while simultaneously attacking it or something? Do elaborate.
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    #277  Edited By AhmadMetallic
    @Tesla said:

    Insulting your target audience less than a month away from ME3 is really, really smart. 

    People who care about/madly love Bioware and Mass Effect and Dragon Age (the redditors and 4channers who get abusive out of rage as you can see here) are not Bioware's target audience for ME3. 
    The fans of these developers are not said developers' target audience. You think Far Cry 3 is made for Far Cry lovers? Or that Crysis 2 was made for Crysis supporters? Or Battlefield 3 was made for me? Think again. 
     
    @Sooty  said: 

    You'll have to squint to read this but it still made me cringe, is this what people want in their video games?

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    Everybody is at risk of becoming extinct, but hey let's have some anal sex!

    Edit: slightly clearer http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llgsuqwp0F1qh1vlio1_500.jpg

    This is what this VIDEO GAME developer has put so much work into? Butt-pirate Shepard and a ton of relationship options for him? While the GAMEplay still consists of taking cover behind neatly-placed blocks and shooting aliens in the face until the combat music ends?  
    I stand by my words that Mass Effect is not a video game.
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    #278  Edited By Mike76x

    @AhmadMetallic: She is one writer on a team of writers, and David Gaider is the one in charge.

    She's been on the Dragon Age team from the beginning, she didn't just show up and ruin DA2.

    Hepler is just a dumpy looking chick that 6 years ago said she sucks at playing video games.

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    #279  Edited By pekoe212

    @SagaciousJones said:

    @VisariLoyalist said:

    from what I hear (from other redditors) the original thread was full of quotes that don't actually exist

    For what it's worth, you can read the original interview that's at the root of all this vitriol here:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20101118135928/http://killerbetties.com/killer_women_jennifer_hepler

    What is your least favorite thing about working in the industry?

    Playing the games. This is probably a terrible thing to admit, but it has definitely been the single most difficult thing for me. I came into the job out of a love of writing, not a love of playing games. While I enjoy the interactive aspects of gaming, if a game doesn't have a good story, it's very hard for me to get interested in playing it. Similarly, I'm really terrible at so many things which most games use incessantly -- I have awful hand-eye coordination, I don't like tactics, I don't like fighting, I don't like keeping track of inventory, and I can't read a game map to save my life. This makes it very difficult for me to play to the myriad games I really should be keeping up on as our competition.

    And with a baby on the way in a few months, my minimal free time (which makes it impossible for me to finish a big RPG in less than six months already), will disappear entirely. If there was a fast-forward feature on games which would let me easily review the writing and stories and skip the features that I find more frustrating than fun, I'd find it much easier to keep abreast of what's happening in the field.

    In context this makes tons of sense of to me. She's a writer at heart, not a gamer, she freely admits this. That's why they hired her. To write things. She was not designing their combat systems. The things she loves about games are exactly the things she creates for games, I don't see how that serves a game poorly. If you want to complain about a Bioware game's story, she had a part in that (and i haven't played the DA games yet so i don't have an opinion either way), but attacking her for everything you don't like about their games is completely out of line. She's a writer, not a gamer. BIG FUCKING DEAL. I can't believing how disgusting and narrow-minded people are.

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    #280  Edited By _Zombie_

    Just like to say, nothing this woman has done is bad enough to label her a cancer. Pretty fucking insulting to people who actually had the disease.

    But this is the internet. Expecting civility and manners here is like expecting a white supremacist to be best friends with a black kid. Ain't happening.

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    #281  Edited By Dagbiker

    @zombiebigfoot said:

    Just like to say, nothing this woman has done is bad enough to label her a cancer. Pretty fucking insulting to people who actually had the disease.

    But this is the internet. Expecting civility and manners here is like expecting a white supremacist to be best friends with a black kid. Ain't happening.

    Doesn't matter how hard I try, I cant take you seriously with that avatar

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    #282  Edited By mandude
    Games are a very versatile medium, capable of putting out quite a lot of different content available for people who are into nearly everything there could be. Some people are into stories and character interactions and some people are into gameplay. I'm not sure why people are so pissed off at her for this. This is exactly the kind of statement I'd expect to hear from someone who works at Bioware. The dialogue between characters was definitely my favourite aspect of DA:O, and it was something I thought made Baldur's Gate as memorable for me, as it was. A lot of people write for games who aren't even actively working in the games industry, and if she's not touching the gameplay side of development, what is wrong with it at all?
     
    @AhmadMetallic said:
    Crysis 2 was made for Crysis supporters?
    Hells yeah!
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    #283  Edited By _Zombie_

    @Dagbiker said:

    @zombiebigfoot said:

    Just like to say, nothing this woman has done is bad enough to label her a cancer. Pretty fucking insulting to people who actually had the disease.

    But this is the internet. Expecting civility and manners here is like expecting a white supremacist to be best friends with a black kid. Ain't happening.

    Doesn't matter how hard I try, I cant take you seriously with that avatar

    Then it has done its job. Probably going to be changing it anyways.

    Edit: Changed it. Forgot I had this one.

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    #284  Edited By SeriouslyNow
    @pekoe212 said:

    @SagaciousJones said:

    @VisariLoyalist said:

    from what I hear (from other redditors) the original thread was full of quotes that don't actually exist

    For what it's worth, you can read the original interview that's at the root of all this vitriol here:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20101118135928/http://killerbetties.com/killer_women_jennifer_hepler

    What is your least favorite thing about working in the industry?

    Playing the games. This is probably a terrible thing to admit, but it has definitely been the single most difficult thing for me. I came into the job out of a love of writing, not a love of playing games. While I enjoy the interactive aspects of gaming, if a game doesn't have a good story, it's very hard for me to get interested in playing it. Similarly, I'm really terrible at so many things which most games use incessantly -- I have awful hand-eye coordination, I don't like tactics, I don't like fighting, I don't like keeping track of inventory, and I can't read a game map to save my life. This makes it very difficult for me to play to the myriad games I really should be keeping up on as our competition.

    And with a baby on the way in a few months, my minimal free time (which makes it impossible for me to finish a big RPG in less than six months already), will disappear entirely. If there was a fast-forward feature on games which would let me easily review the writing and stories and skip the features that I find more frustrating than fun, I'd find it much easier to keep abreast of what's happening in the field.

    In context this makes tons of sense of to me. She's a writer at heart, not a gamer, she freely admits this. That's why they hired her. To write things. She was not designing their combat systems. The things she loves about games are exactly the things she creates for games, I don't see how that serves a game poorly. If you want to complain about a Bioware game's story, she had a part in that (and i haven't played the DA games yet so i don't have an opinion either way), but attacking her for everything you don't like about their games is completely out of line. She's a writer, not a gamer. BIG FUCKING DEAL. I can't believing how disgusting and narrow-minded people are.

    She's a writer for a games developer and she commenting on how she'd like games to work in the future from said game developer..  So yes, it is a big fucking deal.  Or at least a deal.  It's certainly not some innocuous comment from some random writer and this is especially true when you can see how Bioware games have changed since she joined them.  That's real context mate, not your 'oh you guys are taking this all too seriously' faux context where you make things fit in such a way as you feel comfortable.  I get it, you don't care.  You've made that clear because you haven't even played the DA games.  But a lot of people do care.  A lot of people have time, money and other aspects invested in these games and they don't appreciate a hack writer coming in and changing the nature of a game development company's products just so she can see certain agendas fulfilled, agendas which run contra to good gameplay experiences and agendas which only serve to elevate her by pandering to specific groups who don't need to be singled out or pandered to.  She is, in effect, being a sexist jerk in doing what she's doing to gameplay and her sexist bent is quite clear in her troll attempt too.  She's a sad, fat, small-minded person who thinks that pandering equates to a better experience.
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    #285  Edited By benspyda

    She sounds a bit immature for someone in a industry position. The internet is full of trolls, so I don't know what she expected. Replying to them with similar insults is not smart.

    Although I do feel sorry for her considering all this cancer crap.

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    #286  Edited By Tesla

    @AhmadMetallic said:

    @Tesla said:

    Insulting your target audience less than a month away from ME3 is really, really smart.

    People who care about/madly love Bioware and Mass Effect and Dragon Age (the redditors and 4channers who get abusive out of rage as you can see here) are not Bioware's target audience for ME3.
    The fans of these developers are not said developers' target audience. You think Far Cry 3 is made for Far Cry lovers? Or that Crysis 2 was made for Crysis supporters? Or Battlefield 3 was made for me? Think again.

    Hmm, good point. But we don't exactly disagree. They are pissing off fans at just about every turn these days, that was the main idea behind my take on the situation. I honestly have no idea who they consider their target audience...old fans or new.

    I imagine it's a hard to balance evolution with core pillars of a franchise that lots of people enjoy.

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    #287  Edited By bvilleneuve

    @AhmadMetallic said:

    @Sooty said:

    You'll have to squint to read this but it still made me cringe, is this what people want in their video games?

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    Everybody is at risk of becoming extinct, but hey let's have some anal sex!

    Edit: slightly clearer http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llgsuqwp0F1qh1vlio1_500.jpg

    This is what this VIDEO GAME developer has put so much work into? Butt-pirate Shepard and a ton of relationship options for him? While the GAMEplay still consists of taking cover behind neatly-placed blocks and shooting aliens in the face until the combat music ends? I stand by my words that Mass Effect is not a video game.

    See, this is what I love most about this argument: On one side are intelligent people with empathy for other human beings. On the other side are people so desperate to hate a stranger for ruining their precious toys that they'll believe in an obviously faked image.

    I mean, come the fuck on. Google that quote, realize it's a life, and then take stock of your lives.

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    man, of all of the threads for a spambot to necro. oof.

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    The trolls be trolling. I don't disagree that sometimes a fast forward button would be nice so I can showcase some games to some less skilled people, but her attitude about it just seems kind of condescending. There seems to be a surplus of writers out there(many more than needed, from an economic point of view), I would be surprised if bioware doesn't have a surplus of good writers knocking at the door who also love video games, so why hire this one? I guess an outside perspective is good? Though I can't say their games have had very interesting stories(though cool universes), and Bioware stories do sometimes feel very disconnected from the gameplay(not pointing fingers, just thinking out loud)

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