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    Dragon Age II

    Game » consists of 16 releases. Released Mar 08, 2011

    This sequel to Dragon Age: Origins features faster combat, a new art style, and a brand new, fully voiced main character named Hawke.

    Elf design change

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    #1  Edited By jeanluc  Staff

    It seems that the Elves have been changed quite a bit.  
      
    As an example I have a picture of Merrill, an minor Dalish elf character from the first game who will be a companion in the second game.  

          Her original design
          Her original design
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    And here is Merrill's new look in Dragon age II  
     Quite a change huh?
     Quite a change huh?
      
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     

    So what do you think of the redesign? I rather like it. It gives the Elves their own look as appose to the first game where they just looks like shorter humans with pointy ears.
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    #2  Edited By christ0phe

    Her boobs look weird

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    #3  Edited By jeanluc  Staff
    @christ0phe: Really? Thats the first thing you notice? 
     
    Damn it! Now that you said it I'm seeing it to!
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    #4  Edited By BlueStriped

    What has been seen cannot be unseen XD.

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    #5  Edited By christ0phe
    @wasteguru: Wasn't the first thing I noticed, but it was the only thing worth mentioning
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    #6  Edited By luce

    Any one of her boobs is bigger than her whole head

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    #7  Edited By jeanluc  Staff

    13 minutes in and already this thread is off topic. Does anyone actually have an opinion on the redesigned elf look?

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    #8  Edited By Arbie

    I'm not sure why but to me it looks like a step back rather than a step forward. I can see what you mean about it making them look more elfish though...which may actually be a step forward. Okay this confuses me.  And oh yeah they do look weird!

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    #9  Edited By Undeadpool

    As long as they nail the hands better, I'm kinda fine with any weirdness. In the first game, all the character models had these enormous man hands, including the women. It was...off-putting at times.

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    #10  Edited By Klei

    Ugh. I hate elves. 
     
    They're like, the worst uninspired race that's been ripped off Tolkien's pages way too often.

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    #11  Edited By Vorbis

    It looks like a child, I dread to think of the romancing options.

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    #12  Edited By warxsnake

    She looks fine I guess, compared to the other crap I saw in their latest dev diary video. I'm really not liking the low texture density almost-cartoon anime art style behind  Dragon Ball Age 2. Is this part of having it appeal to a larger audience? 
    It looks like they took The Old Republic formula of artwork and texture work and did that to this. 

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    #13  Edited By endaround
    @warxsnake: Nope, its so they can get it on consoles.  As much as they talk about making it "unique" its all about cutting the number of textures per character.
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    #14  Edited By niamahai
    @Erzs said:
    " I'm not sure why but to me it looks like a step back rather than a step forward. I can see what you mean about it making them look more elfish though...which may actually be a step forward. Okay this confuses me.  And oh yeah they do look weird! "
    they did the 'stylized' look so that can get away from rendering the character too life like.
     
    one might call it a step backwards for 'GRAPHIC SO GOOD IT IS FUCKING YOUR EYEHOLE"
    i call it a step forward to 
    1. Give the game a distinctive look  so that people will go "YO THAT FUCKING DRAGON AGE!"
    2.maintain a consistent framerate for the consoles.
     
    Assassin Creed also did the same thing. Go back to AC1 and notice how the character don't have a cartoony look like AC2 and ACB.
     
    *cue cries of console destroying game development*
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    #15  Edited By canucks23
    @endaround said:
    " @warxsnake: Nope, its so they can get it on consoles.  As much as they talk about making it "unique" its all about cutting the number of textures per character. "
    The first DA was on consoles, and it didn't as bad as this is looking.
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    #16  Edited By endaround
    @canucks23 said:
    " @endaround said:
    " @warxsnake: Nope, its so they can get it on consoles.  As much as they talk about making it "unique" its all about cutting the number of textures per character. "
    The first DA was on consoles, and it didn't as bad as this is looking. "
    Yes but the textures in the background looked like crap and it was seriously a constraint on the number of characters they could have on screen at one time. 
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    #17  Edited By MikeFightNight

    That has got to be a bad picture.  I liked the first dragon age and have 2 on pre-order but have not been keeping up with all the media around it. 
     
    If I never played the first one and you showed me those two pictures and asked me to chose which is from the sequel I would chose the first.

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    #18  Edited By General_D23

    They did redesigns for all races, not just elves. To make them more distinct, supposedly.
     

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    #19  Edited By jeanluc  Staff
    @MikeFightNight said:
    " That has got to be a bad picture.  I liked the first dragon age and have 2 on pre-order but have not been keeping up with all the media around it.  If I never played the first one and you showed me those two pictures and asked me to chose which is from the sequel I would chose the first. "
    The picture is a freeze frame from a video so the quality is not very good.
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    #20  Edited By Enigma777
    @General_D23 said:
    " They did redesigns for all races, not just elves. To make them more distinct, supposedly.
     

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    Those fools! Dwarf females are supposed to have beards goddammit! 
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    #21  Edited By iek

    i hope this design change is specific to this character, not too keen on them all looking like children...

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    #22  Edited By warxsnake
    @Tarsier said:
    " yea that character looks retarded , proportions are fucked "
    Her neck is as long as her head
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    #23  Edited By Scrawnto
    @Enigma777: Some of the male dwarves in DA didn't have beards, so that's not really news. 
     
    I think the idea of redesigning the races to make them more distinct is pretty good. It's good to be able to get information about a character or opponent quickly. Distinct silhouettes are good for that, as Team Fortress 2 has shown. I'll have to see if I like the implementation of that idea in this case. It's hard to judge from such a screen cap.
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    #24  Edited By Afroman269

    I don't like the way Dragon Age 2 looks. 

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    #25  Edited By Enigma777
    @Scrawnto: I'm aware since none of the female dwarfs in the first game had any either, but I figured they would have brushed up on their Tolkienism for the sequel.
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    #26  Edited By Vorbis
    @Enigma777 said:
    Those fools! Dwarf females are supposed to have beards goddammit!  "
    As a Dwarf purist, I agree.
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    #27  Edited By MordeaniisChaos
    As someone who has seen the game live and actually played it, it looks and more importantly runs a hell of a lot better. To the ass saying it's because of consoles, thats bullshit. There are plenty of amazing looking console games, and there are some unreleased games that will almost certainly be raising the bar.
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    #28  Edited By StarvingGamer

    Better than just being humans with pointy ears I suppose. I agree with the general thrust of Bioware's philosophy behind the change.

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    #29  Edited By ryanwho

    Looks like anime now >:-\

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    #30  Edited By ryanwho
    @MordeaniisChaos said:
    " As someone who has seen the game live and actually played it, it looks and more importantly runs a hell of a lot better. To the ass saying it's because of consoles, thats bullshit. There are plenty of amazing looking console games, and there are some unreleased games that will almost certainly be raising the bar. "
    They're on record as saying they wanted the sequel to be a more console oriented experience. So chill out, kid. It came from your lord and saviors at Bioware themselves.
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    #31  Edited By Deusoma
    @General_D23 said:
    " They did redesigns for all races, not just elves. To make them more distinct, supposedly.
     

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    Whoa. I don't remember the Draenei being in Dragon Age 1.
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    #32  Edited By Dustpan

    Looks like what Dragon Age should have originally looked like.

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    #33  Edited By damswedon
    @JustTheDoctor said:
    " Looks like what Dragon Age should have originally looked like. "
    Yeah Dragon Age had a real problem with all the races looking too similar.
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    #34  Edited By DystopiaX

    Looks basically the same, but with a messed up face and oddly huge tits.

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    #35  Edited By Green_Incarnate

    At least the Qunari don't look like dudes in white dreads anymore.

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    #36  Edited By Driadon

    I don't like it, too cartoony. One of the reasons why I enjoyed Dragon Age's art style was that it was very much a dark fantasy, where as this looks like it could have been ripped directly from the Fable games.

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    #37  Edited By DougQuaid
    @damswedon said:
    " @JustTheDoctor said:
    " Looks like what Dragon Age should have originally looked like. "
    Yeah Dragon Age had a real problem with all the races looking too similar. "
    @Green_Incarnate said:
    " At least the Qunari don't look like dudes in white dreads anymore. "
    All of this!
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    #38  Edited By ryanwho

    What, those horned dudes are Qunari? So being a Qunari ranges from having dark skin and white hair to sprouting mufucking horns?

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    #39  Edited By Aether
    @ryanwho said:
    " What, those horned dudes are Qunari? So being a Qunari ranges from having dark skin and white hair to sprouting mufucking horns? "
    This. 
     
    WTF? If you bring Sten to the Brecilian Forest he has some dialogue about different Qunari. He doesn't talk much about them but i guess this could be them. He says some negative shit about them and i think that they are more murderers or some shit other then a whole different looking race.
     
    Regardless, i hope its just a sentient darkspawn race or something. Or perhaps a mutation from it being from a different region.
     
    Or Drainei....cuz fuck it, why not?
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    #40  Edited By wunder_

    Awesome - good to see that hopefully in the character creation you can actually make happy looking people instead of either depressed/angry people.

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    #41  Edited By Aether
    @Wunder_ said:
    " Awesome - good to see that hopefully in the character creation you can actually make happy looking people instead of either depressed/angry people. "
    There wasn't much going on to be happy about in Dragon Age. All of the origins were pretty big bummers then there is the whole massacres of people and general betrayal and essentially regicide.
     
    They smiled when they were boning though!
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    #42  Edited By wunder_
    @Aether:  Same with Mass Effect - that didn't stop them being happy in Space! Although, I still used default Shepard. :<
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    #43  Edited By damswedon

    I like the look of the new Qunari and hey it justifies how they end up becoming Ogres when they transform into a broodmother.

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    #44  Edited By 02sfraser

    I think it's better. They look less human and defines them as elves more.

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    #45  Edited By damswedon

    There is speculation on the Dragon Age Wikia that the lighting might of had some impact on her, so someone made this image to have a guess at what she looks like in normal lighting. 

     Left: edited, Middle: original, Right: Origins
     Left: edited, Middle: original, Right: Origins
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    #46  Edited By MEATBALL

    I quite like DA2's new look to be perfectly honest, it seems I'm one of the few, that's a shame. I think they've done a good job moving it away from the horridly generic and completely unremarkable look of the first game (outside of some of the creature designs). It looks very clean and bold. I'm sure all that just makes me a sycophant with the intelligence of a fly, though.
     
    I always disliked the look of the elves in the first game, from what I've seen they look better in in DA2. Lest they had have done something drastically different Elves are Elves, though, it's hard to get excited about them.
     
    As for the Qunari, I like the new design, but it's always weird when a drastic change like that is made to an existing design. The nice thing about Bioware though is that they go to significant lengths to justify such things in the fiction. I guess you'll either find it contrived or clever, at least they're not ones to lazily say 'Oh, by the way, Qunari have horns now. Deal.'

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    #47  Edited By meteora

    The original elves looked like just Humans with pointy ears, so I'm fine with this. 
     
    Breasts seemed out of proportion though.

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    They always wanted qunari to have horns, they just couldn't get it to render helmets properly, and eventually scrapped it.
     
    I really don't like the new design, because it's pushing the races closer towards the typical than the original.  The original part of Dragon Ages three races was how they didn't conform to the old stereotypes.  The elves lived in poverty, and the dwarves had American accents and usually didn't have beards.

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    #49  Edited By Cerogravian

    It's interesting, the new design of the elves looks like my mental image of them does. At first I was almost sure that the picture from Origins were supposed to be the new design. I guess that's a good review then...

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    #50  Edited By General_D23
    @MEATBALL said:
    "As for the Qunari, I like the new design, but it's always weird when a drastic change like that is made to an existing design. The nice thing about Bioware though is that they go to significant lengths to justify such things in the fiction. I guess you'll either find it contrived or clever, at least they're not ones to lazily say 'Oh, by the way, Qunari have horns now. Deal.' "

    The official word on the qunari, if I remember correctly, is that those born without horns are usually treated special and given unique roles, such as Sten and his comrades. Exiles or traitors willingly saw off their horns, for whatever reason.
     

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