"Jigen said:

"He NEVER PLAYED THE GAME.  He says he played it, but he also says 'shit like that never appears on my gamertag', yet how could he know it was shit if he didn't play it?"

I played it, buddy. Get over it. I think a game you like is shit. Go cry somewhere else. The adults are trying to talk."

Why's everyone being so hostile?

Calm down!

EA gets a lot of unnecessary hate. Not because their games suck but because they don't even try to fake customer appreciation.

Now, I think Unreal Tournament 3 is a pretty damn good game. That game definitely gets a lot of hate - just because it has some changes.

NEVER PLAYED THE GAME.

"Jigen said:

NEVER PLAYED THE GAME.

Do you really need someone to explain that using Caps doesn't actually help make your point?"

Didn't see this mentioned, but I was pretty damn impressed with EA support when I got shitty Rock Band drums and guitar. I've heard they were bad for support, but at least for this game, it was ridiculously easy to get replacements (no questions asked, just send it in and get a new one). 

"wordsgohere said:

"Jigen said:

NEVER PLAYED THE GAME.

Do you really need someone to explain that using Caps doesn't actually help make your point?"

Do you really need someone to explain that personally attacking someone doesn't make them right?"

EA is hated because the company represents the worst of the industry it cares only about money and the ways to easily make it, and surfice to say the easiest way to make money is to release crap games for casuals and based on movie licenses.

To make money they beat down with long hours and worse their programmers and have been SUED for it.
EA has never made a good game that wasn't made first by another dev and then EA published it or bought the dev out then imediatly took all programmers from it, products and names then got rid of what they didn't want and close the developer down.
Nearly all its games are glitch filled crap nearly all the time.

P.S: jayge is right Bad company is total ass specially its multiplayer its just like it was in the demo except now they have a new mode, gold rush is still played pretty much the most and its total crap destructable enviorments ruin most strategy i cant count how many times i've killed a dude to disarm his charge on the gold to have 3 guys spawn where he just was at cause of the stupid squad mechanic and kill me before i have the chance.

"Jigen, lay off the personal attacks please.  I may not be a mod, but I did not start this thread in order for people to personally attack someone based on knowledge you may or may not have about their gamertag and actual playing of a game.

Jayge, I'm not saying at all that you haven't played the games.  I understand that we both have differing opinions about the game, and that's perfectly fine.  You pointed out your reasons.  I pointed out my counter reasons.  We had a scuffle.  It's done.

Again, I don't know what most of you guys are talking about. The only games I've purchased from EA that I really can say I didn't like were Madden 03, 07, and the Lord of the Rings: The Third Age, Madden because I don't really like football all that much and The Third Age because it sucks. =P

"EA is hated because the company represents the worst of the industry it cares only about money and the ways to easily make it, and surfice to say the easiest way to make money is to release crap games for casuals and based on movie licenses.

To make money they beat down with long hours and worse their programmers and have been SUED for it.
EA has never made a good game that wasn't made first by another dev and then EA published it or bought the dev out then imediatly took all programmers from it, products and names then got rid of what they didn't want and close the developer down.
Nearly all its games are glitch filled crap nearly all the time."

"EA is hated because the company represents the worst of the industry it cares only about money and the ways to easily make it, and surfice to say the easiest way to make money is to release crap games for casuals and based on movie licenses.

To make money they beat down with long hours and worse their programmers and have been SUED for it.
EA has never made a good game that wasn't made first by another dev and then EA published it or bought the dev out then imediatly took all programmers from it, products and names then got rid of what they didn't want and close the developer down.
Nearly all its games are glitch filled crap nearly all the time."

"And last time I checked, ALL of the game publishers care only about money."

Personally I think Ubisoft has been worthy of more scorn than EA for quite a while now.  I haven't been personally angry with anything I can think of Activision doing recently.

EA really is delivering more than any other publisher in a lot of ways most recently (with the free content updates to console games especially).  I mean the conquest patch in BFBC is something they would have charged $30 for on PC not many years ago.

"He NEVER PLAYED THE GAME.  He says he played it, but he also says 'shit like that never appears on my gamertag', yet how could he know it was shit if he didn't play it?"

"Jigen said:

"He NEVER PLAYED THE GAME.  He says he played it, but he also says 'shit like that never appears on my gamertag', yet how could he know it was shit if he didn't play it?"

Since when does not having a game appear on a gamertag mean you haven't played the game? I played games on my brother's 360 and he doesn't even have online, does that mean I didn't play it?

Sorry Jakob, had to ask that.
"

Ubisoft is definitely more evil than EA, imo.  I mean, you wanna talk about rehashing a franchise?  *cough*PRINCEOFPERSIA*cough*  There is little different between any of those three games, other than Prince went emo as hell in the second and full-on Satan in the third.  Not saying I didn't like the games, but it's the same shit that people accuse EA of.  And what about Raving Rabbids?  Eh?  Then they've also got the licensed games, like the King Kong game.  Yes, it was good...just like Everything or Nothing was good...except EoN had great multiplayer to it also.  =  /  Oh, and don't forget ROCKY!  o_o  Yeah, that was a winner.  Then there's GRAW and R6.  Great games?  Yep...and rehashed between both of them with just minor updates and different locales.

"brukaoru said:

"Jigen said:

"He NEVER PLAYED THE GAME.  He says he played it, but he also says 'shit like that never appears on my gamertag', yet how could he know it was shit if he didn't play it?"

Since when does not having a game appear on a gamertag mean you haven't played the game? I played games on my brother's 360 and he doesn't even have online, does that mean I didn't play it?

Sorry Jakob, had to ask that.
"

To me, it's not just that it didn't appear on his gamertag.  What he said, to me, as someone who's played a fair amount of BFBC seems like complete nonsense.  Nothing he said made any sense.  It'd be like if you went and said the game didn't have any guns in it.  From having played the game there is no factual basis for what he said (other than the squad mechanics).  Obviously some of what he said is open to interpretation, but much of it was not.  He went into hyperbole by saying the game is 'shit' multiple times, and I think any rational person can find the fault in that.  Then he started calling me 'kid' (personal attacks) when he didn't want to debate the facts any longer but still wanted to 'win' the discussion.  He didn't say if he only played the demo or at a friend's place or anything."

"Ubisoft is definitely more evil than EA, imo.  I mean, you wanna talk about rehashing a franchise?  *cough*PRINCEOFPERSIA*cough*  There is little different between any of those three games, other than Prince went emo as hell in the second and full-on Satan in the third.  Not saying I didn't like the games, but it's the same shit that people accuse EA of. 

"jakob187 said:

"Ubisoft is definitely more evil than EA, imo.  I mean, you wanna talk about rehashing a franchise?  *cough*PRINCEOFPERSIA*cough*  There is little different between any of those three games, other than Prince went emo as hell in the second and full-on Satan in the third.  Not saying I didn't like the games, but it's the same shit that people accuse EA of. 

Most companies continue to make sequels of games that don't change much at all from their predecessors, so it's a pretty dumb reason to hate EA just based on that reason."

"brukaoru said:

"jakob187 said:

"Ubisoft is definitely more evil than EA, imo.  I mean, you wanna talk about rehashing a franchise?  *cough*PRINCEOFPERSIA*cough*  There is little different between any of those three games, other than Prince went emo as hell in the second and full-on Satan in the third.  Not saying I didn't like the games, but it's the same shit that people accuse EA of. 

Most companies continue to make sequels of games that don't change much at all from their predecessors, so it's a pretty dumb reason to hate EA just based on that reason."

That's the point I was making.

I noticed that no one can, yet again, throw out a bad thing about EA when you cut out the "money" aspect of the argument.  Must be lots of closet EA players.  lol

"

Well, I think my reason is valid. :P

I know a lot of people who hate EA because they have exclusive rights to produce NFL games. I guess I can see why they are upset about that.

"Ubisoft is definitely more evil than EA, imo.  I mean, you wanna talk about rehashing a franchise?  *cough*PRINCEOFPERSIA*cough*  There is little different between any of those three games, other than Prince went emo as hell in the second and full-on Satan in the third.  Not saying I didn't like the games, but it's the same shit that people accuse EA of.  And what about Raving Rabbids?  Eh?  Then they've also got the licensed games, like the King Kong game.  Yes, it was good...just like Everything or Nothing was good...except EoN had great multiplayer to it also.  =  /  Oh, and don't forget ROCKY!  o_o  Yeah, that was a winner.  Then there's GRAW and R6.  Great games?  Yep...and rehashed between both of them with just minor updates and different locales.

So why don't people bitch about Ubisoft the same way they bitch about EA?  For every good game that Ubi makes, they have one at EA also.  For every bad one, EA has also.

Hell, both of them even have sleepers.  Ubi has Beyond Good & Evil (which is FINALLY getting a sequel), and EA has Freedom Fighters.  =  D

"

"I tend to dislike EA for its practice of absorbing other developers into the fold. I dislike Actiblizzard for the same reason. EA has been trying to improve by leaving companies semi-autonomous, and they do provide the might of the monopoly for games that would otherwise not do well, deserving or not (see: Warhammer: Age of Reckoning). I don't think it's the right way to go, though, and will not support acquisitions like that just based on my own nature. I do own several and probably will own EA games in the future though, because I don't hate them enough to actually boycott them (I do it to Macintosh though). So it's not a hatred, really. Just a supreme dislike for policies.

I have to say that I do hate John Richitello (however you spell it) though. He may sign over more IPs and do more good things for the company, but the principles he displays when giving interviews make me worried for the future of industries that he presides over."

Madden. They fuck up year after year after year with it.

I don't completely hate them, and it just happens that I like a few of the games that EA published, but reason that people do are completely valid, and they bring it on themselves honestly.


Also- BF:BC was a stepback, its an absolute fact, not an opinion at all. It was a completely dumbed down version that is barely the shell of its former self, with an added gimmick to make it feel fresh(destructible environments) and nothing more. Not even up for discussion, regardless of whether you liked the game a ton or not, there is no denying it was a step back.

They're a big company that is still in business, OF COURSE they have lots of good games.

That does not account for their mistakes.

What company DOESN'T make mistakes?  Even Blizz makes mistakes...as you can tell from StarCraft: Ghost being cancelled, yet there is still a rabid fanbase of folks (myself included) that would've liked to see it come out.

Also- BF:BC was a stepback, its an absolute fact, not an opinion at all. It was a completely dumbed down version that is barely the shell of its former self, with an added gimmick to make it feel fresh(destructible environments) and nothing more. Not even up for discussion, regardless of whether you liked the game a ton or not, there is no denying it was a step back."

"pause422 said:

Also- BF:BC was a stepback, its an absolute fact, not an opinion at all. It was a completely dumbed down version that is barely the shell of its former self, with an added gimmick to make it feel fresh(destructible environments) and nothing more. Not even up for discussion, regardless of whether you liked the game a ton or not, there is no denying it was a step back."

Jesus Christ you guys are idiots, I swear"

"Jigen said:

"pause422 said:

Also- BF:BC was a stepback, its an absolute fact, not an opinion at all. It was a completely dumbed down version that is barely the shell of its former self, with an added gimmick to make it feel fresh(destructible environments) and nothing more. Not even up for discussion, regardless of whether you liked the game a ton or not, there is no denying it was a step back."

Jesus Christ you guys are idiots, I swear"

You just can't let anything die, can you. You're like an 8 year old. Seriously. Just drop it."

"Jigen said:

"pause422 said:

Also- BF:BC was a stepback, its an absolute fact, not an opinion at all. It was a completely dumbed down version that is barely the shell of its former self, with an added gimmick to make it feel fresh(destructible environments) and nothing more. Not even up for discussion, regardless of whether you liked the game a ton or not, there is no denying it was a step back."

Jesus Christ you guys are idiots, I swear"

You just can't let anything die, can you. You're like an 8 year old. Seriously. Just drop it."

Jakob, maybe you should just start a new thread and ask a mod to close this one so this won't keep getting brought up?

Opinions, eh?

"Why should I drop it when I'm not the one calling the game shit and saying it's not up for debate.  The way I see it, I'm the only one being reasonable here.  Your bio says you're always 'down for a good debate' but all you want to do is say you're right and anyone who disagrees is wrong."

"What company DOESN'T make mistakes?  Even Blizz makes mistakes...as you can tell from StarCraft: Ghost being cancelled, yet there is still a rabid fanbase of folks (myself included) that would've liked to see it come out."

Plenty do, but EA makes a lot of them that seem painfully obvious / foolish, repetitive, or unusually greedy. 

The few that irk me.

1.  Poor PC quality titles.  Poorly polished, poorly performing, they pretty much require a patch to run right (i'm at the point where I don't buy EA PC games until a few patches are out).

2. Bumbling good franchises.  The Sims 2, Sim City 4, both were released with way too high system requirements and even if you surpassed them they just never ran smoothly until years later (Sim City is still chunky no matter how you run it).  Then we get what?  No new Sim City games except Sim City Societies (total garbage).  Of all things EA is NOT exploiting a good franchise and just leaving it to rot.

3.  Their digital distribution system is a buggy nightmare let alone insulting asking for more money if you want the right to DL your program again later.

For the record I don't "HATE" EA but there is plenty of reasons to be continually disappointed by them.

"Jayge said:

"Jigen said:

"pause422 said:

Also- BF:BC was a stepback, its an absolute fact, not an opinion at all. It was a completely dumbed down version that is barely the shell of its former self, with an added gimmick to make it feel fresh(destructible environments) and nothing more. Not even up for discussion, regardless of whether you liked the game a ton or not, there is no denying it was a step back."

Jesus Christ you guys are idiots, I swear"

You just can't let anything die, can you. You're like an 8 year old. Seriously. Just drop it."

Why should I drop it when I'm not the one calling the game shit and saying it's not up for debate.  The way I see it, I'm the only one being reasonable here.  Your bio says you're always 'down for a good debate' but all you want to do is say you're right and anyone who disagrees is wrong."

"I didn't personally attack anyone.  That's all there is to it."

I enjoy a lot of their games, i can see why people hate them though

Jesus Christ you guys are idiots, I swear"

"I didn't personally attack anyone.  That's all there is to it."

Three letters: DRM

"Three letters: DRM"

there is no reason to hate them, what the do is called capitalisum

"there is no reason to hate them, what the do is called capitalisum"

capitalism

"there is no reason to hate them, what the do is called capitalisum"

"AuthenticM said:

"Three letters: DRM"

Don't read manga?  That makes no sense!!!"

"jakob187 said:

"AuthenticM said:

"Three letters: DRM"

Don't read manga?  That makes no sense!!!"

Lol! I've never heard of that acronym."

jakob187 said:

"bigpig33 said:

"there is no reason to hate them, what the do is called capitalisum"

WHEE-OOH!!!  WHEE-OOH!!!

capitalism

"

i am vary aware of my spelling deficiencies

Ive had a bad experience with their customer service.

"Ive had a bad experience with their customer service."