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Poll: Does no David Hayter deter your MGSV interest? (196 votes)

Yes, it's not the same without him and I won't be buying it. 11%
No, I don't care who does the voice as long as its good. 39%
I'm disappointed, but I will give this game a chance. 51%
#1 Posted by LiquidPrince (15901 posts) -

Heavily.

#2 Edited by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

Nah. No MGS4 already did the job.

#3 Posted by Pr1mus (3855 posts) -

Not enough to not play it if the game is good.

#4 Posted by Bourbon_Warrior (4523 posts) -

Nah, was really kind of Cheesy as snake in 4, that voice actor can show no emotion. Was fine in MGS1 as a Kurt Russel impersonator but that's about it.

#5 Posted by Quarters (1664 posts) -

Not at all. As I said in the other thread, I always figured it was inevitable, considering MGS4 already started the trend. As Big Boss gets older, they are going to have to change the voice actor if they ever want to remake MG1/MG2(which I figure is the inevitable end game of the BB series someday, as the timeline is getting real close to it). That is, assuming this isn't just a placeholder. Didn't we go through these same shenanigans with MGRising and Quinton Flynn?

#6 Posted by FLStyle (4648 posts) -

@quarters said:

Not at all. As I said in the other thread, I always figured it was inevitable, considering MGS4 already started the trend. As Big Boss gets older, they are going to have to change the voice actor if they ever want to remake MG1/MG2(which I figure is the inevitable end game of the BB series someday, as the timeline is getting real close to it). That is, assuming this isn't just a placeholder. Didn't we go through these same shenanigans with MGRising and Quinton Flynn?

Agreed, they have to make the transition to Richard Doyle's MGS4 Big Boss eventually, whether they pick up Doyle or not is a different story.

#7 Edited by ArtelinaRose (1850 posts) -

I am extremely disappointed. Heartbroken might be a close enough term but it also feels a little too extreme. I literally grew up with Metal Gear Solid; I got the first one when I was in second grade and it was my only Playstation game for quite a while. I have purchased every MGS since on day one since it's come out. I own every collection they've released. David Hayter IS part of what makes Metal Gear Solid what it is, I grew up with him, and with him not being in this one I just feel... kind of hollow.

I will still buy the game, but I don't think David Hayter not voicing Snake will ever stop being weird to me no matter how much I like it.

#8 Posted by Daveyo520 (6675 posts) -

It is not Snake without him.

#9 Posted by Soapy86 (2620 posts) -

Not really.

#10 Posted by liquiddragon (229 posts) -

It's really a bummer but can't not be excited for MGSV.

#11 Edited by Strife777 (1511 posts) -

Very disappointed, but I'm obviously still getting that game.

#12 Posted by LiquidPrince (15901 posts) -

Very disappointed, but I'm obviously still getting that game.

To clarify my stance, this.

#13 Edited by Milkman (16618 posts) -

I'm not convinced that he's not in on it.

#14 Posted by Soapy86 (2620 posts) -

I'm just going to post this thing Katsuhiro Harada wrote regarding recasting voice actors. It seems like it might be relevant.

"I have something I want to say to the people who spam me with requests to "switch back(or Bring back) to the voice actors used previously".

I believe that, before whining and complaining about everything, you need practice at taking a step back and analyzing things objectively. And also at being an adult.

First, the voice you were listening to was 16 years ago, during the PlayStation period. The current generation of consoles are totally different in how they play back sound; both software-wise, and the internal circuitry

The playback program is different, as well as the sound effects added; reverb and 5.1 are examples of this. The comrpression rate, as well as the sound rate, is different today. Are you playing games on the same TV you used 16 years ago? What about your speakers? Headphones? They are all the same as 16 years ago? I wonder if it will sound like the same voice as 16 years ago, even with that data..

Also, you are assuming the voice actors themselves can reproduce the voice the recorded 16 years ago? Many voice actors decline work because their voice has changed since the original role, some have even retired. Sometimes they won't accept, even if we ask.

The recording studio and the equipment they use is also different. With all of this in mind, you still thing it is possible to recreate these voices?

Some might say "just pay them to reuse the voice data".

But, often the voice actors decline this, or their agency declines.

For example, Brian's laugh is the actual data from Tekken 3. As fans have requested, we've kept using the original, adapting the data recorded 16 years ago to be used on the PS2, and then PS3.

Even so, some people said it is a different voice in Tekken 6 than the original.

It can't be helped they might think that. As explained above, even though the master data is the same, all of the equipment used in adapting it has completely changed. That said, it isn't a good idea to try to reccreate the older recording environment because then the data sounds heavily compressed, with noise. More than that, it would sound out of place next to the voice data of the newer characters.

WHAT? You say some of the voices sound like they haven't changed at all?

I guess you didn't notice that the development team has re-recorded them, but made efforts for it to sound as close as possible to the original. And you probably didn't even notice.

Do you know that all of the voice work for a character is not always done by just one voice actor? Using Brian as an example, the laugh you guys love so much uses the original data from Tekken 3, but the short kiai voice uses a different voice actor, and the "come on!" voice also uses a different voice actor. A lot of other characters also use different voice actors for the spoken lines and for the shouts.

I did the voice work for Marshal and Forest for 15 years.

However, I can no longer produce that voice after Tekken 5, so we had a different voice actor for Tekken 6.

The Tekken series has continued for 17 years. The development environment, as well as the environment in which you all play games, has changed.

There are so many characters, and we can't keep using he same voice actors every time, for a variety of reasons.

I have even complied to the requests of you all spamming me to "bring back characters" from previous installments. You often say, "let's show the dev team how sincere we are by buying 2 copies if they bring back character X", but did you really go through with it? Expecting you to at least pre-order the game, I was met with more spam, after you apparently didn't notice that Jun and Michelle actually return.

I still have some characters left to be revealed that comply with some of your requests, even "bringing back" several others. Even so, none of them are paid DLC. I will continue to sincerely comply with fan requests.

However, I can't continue to engage the negative ones that, without knowing what you are talking about, or even thinking about what you are saying, blindly repeat "bring back, bring back, bring back..."

After this lengthy explanation, I will be quite surprised if there are still people who still don't get it.

Thanks for understanding or not understanding. Whatever."

#15 Edited by TooWalrus (13153 posts) -

David Hayter has always been Solid/Naked Snake to me, so... yeah, I'm bummed. It doesn't mean I'm going to skip the next MGS, though. Come on.

#16 Edited by MocBucket62 (1180 posts) -

I'm bummed about no David Hayter, the man is the voice of Snake and Naked Snake. This doesn't mean I'l avoid MGSV by the time it comes out.

#17 Posted by N7 (3580 posts) -

David Hayter has always been Solid/Naked Snake to me, so... yeah, I'm bummed. It doesn't mean I'm going to skip the next MGS, though. Come on.

Yep. Sure, I'm gutted. David Hayter has had a huge presence in the community, having actually played each game and being awesome and shit. But I was hyped for the game when it was announced. My hype has only gone up, seeing Biker Boss with his... uh, demon horn. Of course I'll get the game. I mean this guy sounds like a bad impression of David Hayter, but... well, if that's what it takes.

#18 Edited by EuanDewar (4873 posts) -

HEWIL LBEIN IT

#19 Posted by ArbitraryWater (11587 posts) -

I'm not going to lie: David Hayter not gravelling it up as Snake is kind of a bummer. What the hell is going to happen when the next Smash Bros game comes out?

#20 Edited by DonutFever (3550 posts) -

I was bummed, but it's not got influence my decision to try/not try the game.

#21 Posted by Hailinel (24272 posts) -

Nah. I figured it would have to happen eventually. And besides that, Big Boss and Solid Snake had different actors in MGS4. Maybe he'll be back if they make another game with Solid Snake.

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#22 Posted by Oldirtybearon (4664 posts) -

thank Christ was my reaction.

I don't dislike Hayter and I can stomach his performances in MGS2/3, but man was his voice getting shitty by the time MGS4 came out. It only got miles worse in Peace Walker. I've heard the new voice and I like it. In Peace Walker, Hayter stood out like a sore thumb with his voice. Everyone else sounded more or less human, but there he is with that ridiculous faux-gravel.

TL;DR glad it happened and will play.

#23 Edited by SlashDance (1812 posts) -

It's gonna be weird. I mean yeah if Kojima ends up retelling the events of Metal Gear 1 they have to change the voice of Big Boss, but seeing how MGS5 starts right after the end of Peace Walker, it makes no sense that his voice would change.

#24 Edited by musclerider (589 posts) -

I'm playing through 3 for the first time and boy does he sound dumb.

#25 Edited by Dolphin_Butter (1915 posts) -

Hayter's been saying for a while that doing Snake's voice really puts a strain on his throat, and I think it's become increasingly apparent in Snake's most recent vocal appearances. As much as I respect Hayter and all he's done for the series, there comes a point when things must come to an end. I said this in another thread, but I'd rather not see a repeat of the Michael Ironside/Splinter Cell: Conviction voiceover incident.

#26 Posted by mrfluke (5127 posts) -

itill be weird at the start, but big boss is still a fucking badass character,

and they did change his voice in mgs4,

#27 Edited by ArtisanBreads (3788 posts) -

This is crazy.

I love Hayter a lot... but not playing the game because they change it? You're all saying this now, right?

btw, not going to be surprised when E3 rolls around and we finally see him clearly speak and it's Hayter.... "Kept ya waiting, huh?"

#28 Posted by Nightriff (4972 posts) -

It sucks but not at all, I just want me some MGS5

#29 Edited by probablytuna (3597 posts) -

David Hayter is like one third of what I associate with the MGS experience (the other two being Kojima's craziness and stealth). Without him it just doesn't feel the same.

#30 Posted by NegativeCero (2988 posts) -

I chose yes, but I'll still give it a chance. He basically is Snake so I really can't imagine another voice actor taking up the role.

#31 Posted by TyCobb (1961 posts) -

Wait, what?

I'm scared to view any of the trailers now. Someone else is doing the voice? This does not bode well...

#32 Edited by BlatantNinja23 (930 posts) -

he's just a voice actor... don't really care. Also his voice kinda sucked anyways

#33 Edited by Hippie_Genocide (567 posts) -

Not in the slightest. Nothing against the guy, he was good in the role, but I feel that most any male voice actor doing "grizzled war vet" could fill his shoes nicely. I don't feel have as pissed about this as I did when they replaced Mei Ling in Twin Snakes.

"Metal Gear?!?!?!" I mean, c'mon guy.

#34 Edited by Demoskinos (14722 posts) -

No not really I pretty much have to keep playing them at this point. This also gives me my first real reason for a PS4 as well. As others have said they did change his voice for MGS 4 so I would be sort of okay with him getting a new voice actor but that new voice actor still needs to be sort of gruff sounding. I mean at this point Big Boss is getting old and were marching ever closer to the 80's which is when Metal Gear 1 took place.

I really hope this sets up Big Boss' sort of heel turn. So far every game featuring Big Boss has still had him come off as a hero. There had to be a breaking point where he actually changes or at least I'd figure and I'd think MGSV is the place to show that.

#35 Posted by Slag (4222 posts) -

lessen? yes.

deter? no.

#36 Posted by Apparatus_Unearth (3131 posts) -

No, it's cool.

#37 Edited by rotorious (68 posts) -

I was honestly more disappointed at the thought of him not being in the Metal Gear movie....doubly so after getting a glimpse of his live acting chops in MGS4.

#38 Edited by CaptainTightPants (2834 posts) -

It's an entertaining voice, but by the end of MGS3 I was kind of over it.

So I guess my answer is no.

#39 Posted by LordXavierBritish (6320 posts) -

I can't play a new game in one of the most prestigious franchises of all time because the man doesn't sound the same anymore.

Oh no wait that's retarded.

#40 Edited by Hector (3357 posts) -

I'm fine. I'm sure Kojima knows what he's doing and who is hiring will do an excellent job as voicing Big Boss.

#41 Edited by Stonyman65 (2656 posts) -

I think it kind of sucks just because he was always such a huge part of the series. When you hear David Hayter's voice (out of context) you don't go "oh, that's David Hayter!", I suspect most Metal Gear fans go "oh, that's Snake!". It's one of those things where he is so intertwined with that character that you kind of can't imagine it without him. It's kind of like someone other than Kurt Russell playing Snake Plissken or someone other than Arnold Schwarzenegger playing The Terminator... It just doesn't work. I could understand if they did this a few games ago when the series was fairly new, but at this point he has been voicing the character for like 15 years now.

And to add to it, if his twitter account is any indication, he seems really bummed out about it too. Apparently they didn't even say anything to him about it and he just found out the same time we did. That's kind of a shitty thing to do considering the history he's had with the series and all.

But with all that being said, it's still Kojima we're talking about here. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if this was all just a huge MGS2 style "fuck you!" type thing were he's just fucking with us and David Hayter is the voice of Big Boss all along or shows up at some point. I wouldn't put that past Kojima for one second (remember, we're talking about the guy who specifically altered game footage just to fool everyone before the game's release at one point)

#42 Posted by Mrsignerman44 (1100 posts) -

Eh, I don't care. His voice was pretty cheesy, I like the new angle they're going for here.

#43 Edited by SnakeLinkSonic (264 posts) -

Assuming this isn't another part of the ruse (i.e. Hayter not voicing Big Boss because this becomes his descent into villainhood and Solid Snake surfacing in his early adult years), then no I'm not really deterred.

Having his voice attached is mere novelty to me at this point. As much as I associate the gravel with the character, it's not something I can't separate from the experience if it becomes necessary for the game.

Note: I'm not convinced Hayter is out and I won't be until I finish the game not having heard him in it.

#44 Posted by GERALTITUDE (3179 posts) -

It's a bummer for sure, 100%. Lifelong fan of MGS though, and I have no doubt the game won't be any worse due to his absence.

#45 Posted by TheManWithNoPlan (5367 posts) -

It seems like there's a few David " Haters " in this forum. Hah.

#46 Posted by Apathylad (3066 posts) -

It seems like there's a few David " Haters " in this forum. Hah.

Well played.

Yeah, it's strange not to have him because he's been with the series for so long. I hope he'll be back eventually, though.

#47 Edited by kkotd (293 posts) -

Depending on how it all went down, which some of the conspiracy theorists (mainly the same guys who have been riding this wild ARG-like marketing campaign) are thinking that he's totally in the game... But it's gonna be some sort of Shamallamallama twist. I mean come on, we all know Kojima wants to go balls-out again and make something completely insane, hell, he came on stage to a professional conference wrapped up like a mummy, so... while I'm holding my excitement back, part of me is hoping this whole 'David Hayter is being left out of the project' announcement is a total hoax. Otherwise, if they seriously didn't ask him at all, to do anything... That's complete and utter bullshit to pull on your dedicated and loved voice actor who has been on this wild and crazy ride with you the entire way down. On one hand, I think this could turn out awesomely, on the other, I think 4 may have been the last MGS game alot of people will have played. I'm sure 5 will still be insanely fun, but alot of people will be pissed if he's not in it or even worst... is replaced. Who knows... Maybe Hayter himself is the 'phantom pain' all the fans will be feeling when they play this game.

A quick edit: Yes, I'm completely aware that we don't know the whole story, maybe Hayter and Kojima had a falling out. Maybe Hayter / Snake prank called him one too many times. Maybe we're all under the control of the system.

#48 Edited by Sooty (8082 posts) -

Haven't cared about Metal Gear since 3 anyway.

4 wasn't that good.

#49 Edited by MooseyMcMan (10821 posts) -

So long as the voice acting is good, I don't mind. And Boss is getting older, and it only makes sense given the precedents (Solidus Snake, and Big Boss in MGS4) that his voice would eventually change.

Plus, if young Solid Snake shows up in the game, it'd sure be weird to have David Hayter talking to himself.

Hey, it could happen. This is MGS we're talking about. Kojima did straight up lie in trailers for MGS2 about who you played as in certain parts of the game. This could all be a ploy. And normally I'd be skeptical of saying things like that, but again, this is MGS. There's precedent for crazy stuff like this.

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#50 Edited by Svenzon (718 posts) -

Not really. I'm not super-interested in MGSV to begin with, so no David Hayter doesn't exactly make or break it for me.