@christoffer said:
This discussion is skipping all over the place. Are we comparing video game stories to other stories regardless of medium? Or shouldn't we compare video games to other mediums because it's not the same thing?
Because, if we rule out the mediums, are we directly comparing games like The Last of Us to Shindlers List, Yojimbo, Anna Karenina, etc. etc (sorry for that old argument)? In this case, you don't have to be cultural elite to admit that games have a long way to go. On the other hand, if we can't compare the mediums. Well, fine, games exists in their own little bubble. There's no discussion, move on.
I would be interested to know what people define as a good story.
Why does The Last of Us have a long way to go before it's Schindler's List, Yojimbo or Anna Karenina? Those stories are not well regarded because the events of their stories are 'good', but because the methods in which those stories were told contributed to the emotional impact of the piece. It is the medium-specific qualities of those works that make them something more than just the sum of their parts. So yes, I suppose I submit to you that each work in each medium needs to be approached under the standards of that medium. Even realize that the 'standards' are not 'objectively good stories', they're just devices and factors that we recognize to contribute to the desired emotional response.
Look at Anna Karenina. It's regarded as perhaps the pinnacle of naturalist fictional novels in the Russian language; Anna Karenina the English language film adaptation is maybe not the greatest period drama in film. Because the standards are different. A great novel does not make a great film does not make a great video game does not make a great stage play does not make a great symphony.
The only difference is how people approach them. It was not long ago that film was considered a novelty leisure activity that would never be able to stand alongside the classics. In 2013, when you pointed to three masterpieces, two of them were motion pictures. In 2063, there will be a new art medium, and crotchety old shrivs will say "this has a long way to go before it makes its own The Last of Us".
edit: Not that I think The Last of Us is that game or whatever, it didn't make my top ten list. Because I think stealth patrol puzzles are like iambic pentameter; archaic and unnecessary.
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