Bethesda for acknowledging their PC community. They don't pack their games full of DRM and they also relase modding tools. The scale of their games is just mindboggling.
" Bethesda for acknowledging their PC community. They don't pack their games full of DRM and they also relase modding tools. "
He didn't ask "who supports their PC userbase better", he asked "who makes the better RPG". DRM and modding tools have nothing to do with the quality of the games.
I've spent much, much more time playing Bethesda games. But at the same time, I realize Bioware definitely has a better track record for making engaging storylines. In the end, though, I'm gonna go with Bethesda. Because of Morrowind.
Don't really like games from either as much as anyone else here. Except KotOR, which is a really old Bioware game. That and The Old Republic coming up makes my vote go to them, as much as i hate to do it.
" BioWare, because they actually make ROLE PLAYING games. "
? confused as to what you mean here. Morrowind, Oblivion and Fallout 3 are all very much role playing games. "
Yeah uh...I don't quite get that either. "
Actually more FPS rpg-action hybrids imho. "
That would just be Fallout 3. Also, you can't deny Mass Effect has more shooting than Fallout 3. "
Did you even play morrowind and oblivion, very much action RPGs with swinging swords and so on. Mass effect is biowares least RPG-ish game, but look at their history all the old golden ones they made. Even the newer ones like Dragon Age are alot mor RPGish than say oblivion and morrowind imho.
@floodiastus: Let me tell you, the big draw of those games is NOT the combat. Very much not the combat. There is very, very little focus on action in either. So how about The Witcher, then, in your perspective? An "action" rpg? And not a traditional rpg? Oblivion and Morrowind are as rpg-y as they come.
Did you even play morrowind and oblivion, very much action RPGs with swinging swords and so on. Mass effect is biowares least RPG-ish game, but look at their history all the old golden ones they made. Even the newer ones like Dragon Age are alot mor RPGish than say oblivion and morrowind imho. "
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I didn't realize sword swinging made the game a first person shooter...
" @floodiastus: Let me tell you, the big draw of those games is NOT the combat. Very much not the combat. There is very, very little focus on action in either
Agreed. Actually WRPG in general tend to have poor combat in my opinion.
They usually make up for it in exploration or writing.
" @floodiastus: Let me tell you, the big draw of those games is NOT the combat. Very much not the combat. There is very, very little focus on action in either
Agreed. Actually WRPG in general tend to have poor combat in my opinion. They usually make up for it in exploration or writing. "
true. I would go farther and say that rpgs in general tend to have poor combat, but I'm sure some people would disagree and say jrpg combat is good.
" @floodiastus: Let me tell you, the big draw of those games is NOT the combat. Very much not the combat. There is very, very little focus on action in either. So how about The Witcher, then, in your perspective? An "action" rpg? And not a traditional rpg? Oblivion and Morrowind are as rpg-y as they come. "
Well there IS alot of combat, much more so than in the older eldar scrolls. For me, a good RPG is always pausable or turn based, letting you carefully think about your strategic builds, skilltrees/skills and abilities. For me a good RPG usually involves more than 1 character in your party too. Well actually I would consider more number-crunching and complexity as well as the growth of your character the core of any RPG.
Totally hated the combat system in the new FF13 :/
Sadly I haven't played the witcher yet, but I believe it is realtime?
I'm juggling Oblivion, FO3 and DA:O all on the PC right now (and ODST, but that's off topic) and I prefer Bioware's dialog and storytelling over Bethesda's. When Bethesda succeed over Bioware is the the grand scale of their worlds. You can truly just ignore the main quest and still have hours and hours of entertaining game play in one of their games. Bioware definitely keeps the player on a much shorter leash, but that's so they can craft a tighter story for the player.
I love both game makers immensely, but Bioware edges out Bethesda because their characters feel more real to me.
" @floodiastus: Let me tell you, the big draw of those games is NOT the combat. Very much not the combat. There is very, very little focus on action in either
Agreed. Actually WRPG in general tend to have poor combat in my opinion. They usually make up for it in exploration or writing. "
true. I would go farther and say that rpgs in general tend to have poor combat, but I'm sure some people would disagree and say jrpg combat is good. "
Yeah, I would>:(
For me personally,the only reason I play most JRPGs is because of their battle systems. With some (very) few exceptions the writing/localization tends to be really bad. And not in the enjoyable way either.
Did you even play morrowind and oblivion, very much action RPGs with swinging swords and so on. Mass effect is biowares least RPG-ish game, but look at their history all the old golden ones they made. Even the newer ones like Dragon Age are alot mor RPGish than say oblivion and morrowind imho. "
-_-; I didn't realize sword swinging made the game a first person shooter... "
Whats the difference between axing someone in left 4 dead and swinging your axe in oblivion? Or using the knife in modern warfare. Its FPS alright, especially as you can shoot bows and stuff from your first person (shoooting) :)
@mutha3: to be fair, I do think that jrpg combat can get very strategic and intricate, which I dig. My problem has always been that the turn based nature of it can make it very frustrating and incredibly boring.
In BioWare games, I'm actually playing a role. A living being, like Shepard or the Grey Warden. I shape him to my own will, not only stats-wise.
In Bethesda games, I run around an awful plot with a dummy, who is and always will be shallow despite my best efforts. But he'll have a 600 in Acrobatics, that's for sure.
If you asked me this some time ago when Morrowind came out I would have said Bethesda. Sadly each new Bethesda game is more and more lackluster. While Bioware keeps improving with time.
" At the moment Bioware by FAR. If you asked me this some time ago when Morrowind came out I would have said Bethesda. Sadly each new Bethesda game is more and more lackluster. While Bioware keeps improving with time. "
This I can agree with. Morrowind is clearly their best game, and I can understand completely why people might feel their games are bland or lackluster nowadays.
" Bethesda for acknowledging their PC community. They don't pack their games full of DRM and they also relase modding tools. "
He didn't ask "who supports their PC userbase better", he asked "who makes the better RPG". DRM and modding tools have nothing to do with the quality of the games. "
Yes it does actually but that's another argument (harsh DRM does affect the quality of a PC game).
I vote Bethesda but they really can't be compared imo, they're both the best at what they make, depending on your taste in games.
It really is a discussion between open world vs story. While fallout 3 shaped up a little bit in the story department, it still aint no mass effect or baldurs gate. And while dragon age and mass effect shapes up a little in the open world department they still aint no eldar scrolls :)
" I'm juggling Oblivion, FO3 and DA:O all on the PC right now (and ODST, but that's off topic) and I prefer Bioware's dialog and storytelling over Bethesda's. When Bethesda succeed over Bioware is the the grand scale of their worlds. You can truly just ignore the main quest and still have hours and hours of entertaining game play in one of their games. Bioware definitely keeps the player on a much shorter leash, but that's so they can craft a tighter story for the player. I love both game makers immensely, but Bioware edges out Bethesda because their characters feel more real to me. "
^^^ this is the most genuine answer yet.
They both make great games... very, very different games. For me, Bioware games tickle some mystical itch from when I played the Star Wars table-top RPG as a 7th grader. I feel like the grand space vistas and plots (okay, our plots were terrible - but they were awesome in my head) that appeared out of my imagination are finally matched by the Mass Effect games.
On the other hand, Fallout 3 is amazing. As far as the scope of the world goes, I feel it is unparalleled. Also, I've never truly felt like an explorer in an RPG like I have in Fallout 3. However, my personal vote goes to Bioware.
They are two radically different ways to do a genre. I prefer Bioware, because they do story and characters far better. Bethesda does big open worlds better.
" Bethesda for acknowledging their PC community. They don't pack their games full of DRM and they also relase modding tools. "
He didn't ask "who supports their PC userbase better", he asked "who makes the better RPG". DRM and modding tools have nothing to do with the quality of the games. "
Yes it does actually but that's another argument (harsh DRM does affect the quality of a PC game). I vote Bethesda but they really can't be compared imo, they're both the best at what they make, depending on your taste in games. "
Don't get me wrong... DRM on PC games sucks. But that's not the debate here. He's talking about the games at base value... forget all the overhead stuff.
thats a really tough one. bethesda has made living breathing worlds but their kind of daunting to get into. bioware makes more accessible experiences (they are not the most accessible though). id have to go with bethesda if i had to pick one but to be honest their pretty even.
" BioWare, because they actually make ROLE PLAYING games. "
? confused as to what you mean here. Morrowind, Oblivion and Fallout 3 are all very much role playing games. "
Yeah uh...I don't quite get that either. "
Actually more FPS rpg-action hybrids imho. "
yeah, that would just be Fallout 3. and besides, you used the word rpg to describe it anyway. "
Well you can say Bad Company 2 is RPG too because of leveling and unlocking, but its a scale of more or less RPGish :) "
nah man morrowind and oblivion are definitely rpgs. you level up your character, interact with all the other characters in the game by speech choices. just because its in first person doesnt mean its a shooter. youve just shifted the perspective. and if you wanna look at bioware's stuff, they make the hybrids. look at mass effect. that game was advertised as a 3rd person shooter rpg. Thats not to say its not an rpg; it just has other elements in it. dragon age is probably the most traditional of the RPGs here but thats one example. bioware and bethesda both make RPGs.
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