Why are there no games where the americans are bad guys?

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#1  Edited By bcooper56

  Why are the Russians always the bad guys? Even in non american-made titles like vanquish, the russians are always the evil opposing force.
 
 
Yet united states is no different they are just as aggressive and more greedy but never get this view in a game.

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#2  Edited By DrPockets000

Because AMERICA FUCK YEAH 
 
Honestly though,  I think it is basically a matter of America still being one of the world's main superpowers, many developers don't consider American villains "relevant".

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#3  Edited By oatz

Take a wild fucking guess.

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#4  Edited By gingertastic_10

Cause whoever made us the bad guys, we'd call terrorists. 

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#5  Edited By CaptainObvious

Play Red Dead Redemption. You can kill helluva American-ass Americans in there.

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#6  Edited By Azteck

Because the US represents a large portion of the people buying the game. My guess is that developers are afraid that no one in the states will buy it because they don't like being painted as the bad guy. But what do I know.

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#7  Edited By TaliciaDragonsong

I'm guessing we'll have another shitstorm if we can shoot americans. 
Their tolerance being between nowhere and nothing.
So lets go back to killing germans/asians/russians/whole slew of other races/stereotypes.

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#8  Edited By Teaspoon83
@DrPockets000 said:
" Because AMERICA FUCK YEAH "
FUCK YEAH! 
 
 
You want to relate to the hero and what better way than the classy American hero blasting some foreign countries baddies?
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#9  Edited By landon

I can't think of any games that actively say "These people vs. America", but there are plenty of games set in America and we kill each other.

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#10  Edited By MysteriousBob

Modern Warfare 2... sort of.

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#11  Edited By bcooper56
@TaliciaDragonsong said:
" I'm guessing we'll have another shitstorm if we can shoot americans.  Their tolerance being between nowhere and nothing.So lets go back to killing germans/asians/russians/whole slew of other races/stereotypes. "
but that just proves hypocrites
 
There is shitstorm when its Americans but any other country its okay. 
 
If any thing these other countries have more balls than America. 
 
In America they would complain so much about how its just like with killing in mw2 of civilians and then Taliban in medal of honor. 
 
So America grow a pair.
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#12  Edited By bcooper56
@Azteck said:
" Because the US represents a large portion of the people buying the game. My guess is that developers are afraid that no one in the states will buy it because they don't like being painted as the bad guy. But what do I know. "
Depends if a big game like call of duty did it sales would not be hurt at all i dont think any one would care.
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#13  Edited By CaptainCody

Because Americans AREN'T the bad guys.
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#14  Edited By jayjonesjunior

government conspiracy games?   

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#15  Edited By meteora

Modern Warfare 2, to an extent. 
 
Avatar, the game. 
 
As for why, well its because the largest market is the United States and many games are made by American developers. Just like how a Japanese developer would make their game Japanese. 
 
Canadian developers still make games more American though.

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#16  Edited By wolf_blitzer85
@gingertastic_10 said:
" Cause however made us the bad guys, we'd call terrorists.  "
This is pretty much it. America won't allow something like that.
 
We're kinda stupid like that.
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#18  Edited By Snipzor

Well there are plenty of games where American society as a whole is targeted, and by many games I mean GTA exists. But storytelling isn't a videogame's strong point so many games will stick to the stock allegiances because it is easy for them.

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#19  Edited By JamesValdes

Because bad guys don't stand for liberty and freedom and football, big titties, hamburgers, monster trucks, and all that shit.

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#20  Edited By FirePrince
@TaliciaDragonsong said:
"I'm guessing we'll have another shitstorm if we can shoot americans.  Their tolerance being between nowhere and nothing.So lets go back to killing germans/asians/russians/whole slew of other races/stereotypes. "

Yup.
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#21  Edited By Leevz

In Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 if you side with Captain America, strangely enough makes Americans the bad guys, if only briefly

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#22  Edited By Jazz

Deus Ex?

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#23  Edited By PrivateIronTFU

Because Fox News would have a field day, and nobody wants that.

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#24  Edited By Chuggsy
@bcooper56 said:

" @TaliciaDragonsong said:

" I'm guessing we'll have another shitstorm if we can shoot americans.  Their tolerance being between nowhere and nothing.So lets go back to killing germans/asians/russians/whole slew of other races/stereotypes. "
but that just proves hypocrites There is shitstorm when its Americans but any other country its okay.   If any thing these other countries have more balls than America.   In America they would complain so much about how its just like with killing in mw2 of civilians and then Taliban in medal of honor.   So America grow a pair. "
You shoot plenty of Americans in Red Dead Redemption, GTA, MW2, Saints Row, Mafia, Fallout 1, 2, and 3, etc. You have no argument.
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A lot of politically charged stories feature Americans as villains in games (most Splinter Cell games have AT LEAST one bad American).

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#26  Edited By ShadowofIntent

Because without America all of Europe would be speaking German, South Korea would not exist, and Saddam Hussein would still be in power.  What has Russia done for the world other than spread communism?

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#27  Edited By guiseppe

Both Dead Rising games have some sneaky anti-americanism in them. At least, that's what I interpreted it as. And Assassin's Creed 2 mixes some in when it delves into conspiracies.

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@ShadowofIntent said:
" Because without America all of Europe would be speaking German, South Korea would not exist, and Saddam Hussein would still be in power.  What has Russia done for the world other than spread communism? "
NO, It's because of The Soviet Union Europe isn't speaking german right now.
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#29  Edited By butano
@President_Barackbar said:
" A lot of politically charged stories feature Americans as villains in games (most Splinter Cell games have AT LEAST one bad American). "
This. Especially Conviction and Chaos Theory.
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#30  Edited By PrivateIronTFU
@TheSeductiveMoose said:
" @ShadowofIntent said:
" Because without America all of Europe would be speaking German, South Korea would not exist, and Saddam Hussein would still be in power.  What has Russia done for the world other than spread communism? "
NO, It's because of The Soviet Union Europe isn't speaking german right now. "
Boo-yah!
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#31  Edited By Espada12
@CaptainObvious said:
" Play Red Dead Redemption. You can kill helluva American-ass Americans in there. "
Most of RDR is killing native Americans and mexicans.
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I thought we were discussing the enemy as a whole, not each soldier's personal background.

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#33  Edited By Espada12

Anyway look at that whole fiasco with MOH, that's why... developers don't want that negative press and headache in the biggest game market. Not to mention all those soccer moms complaining find it perfectly acceptable to kill Russians, Germans, Native Americans, Koreans and Mexicans but it's not ok when it's Americans.. heh.

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#34  Edited By Gargantuan
@TheSeductiveMoose said:
" @ShadowofIntent said:
" Because without America all of Europe would be speaking German, South Korea would not exist, and Saddam Hussein would still be in power.  What has Russia done for the world other than spread communism? "
NO, It's because of The Soviet Union Europe isn't speaking german right now. "
I think the US schools almost only focus on their contribution in WW2 so they think they almost single handedly won the war.
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In multiple Fallout games, the (almost) end boss is the American President.

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#36  Edited By Brendan

There are plenty of American or "Western" villians in games.  Also, the upcoming Bioshock 2's villian largely represents the extremist American. 
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#37  Edited By guiseppe
@Gargantuan said:

" @TheSeductiveMoose said:

" @ShadowofIntent said:
" Because without America all of Europe would be speaking German, South Korea would not exist, and Saddam Hussein would still be in power.  What has Russia done for the world other than spread communism? "
NO, It's because of The Soviet Union Europe isn't speaking german right now. "
I think the US schools almost only focus on their contribution in WW2 so they think they almost single handedly won the war. "
Yup, it's brainwashing, more or less. Which is insane.
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#38  Edited By BraveToaster

I think it's bullshit that we're always the good guys. I'd like to see a game that showcases our true colors. The entire country isn't bad but most of the Top Men are conniving.

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#39  Edited By PrivateIronTFU
@Gargantuan said:
" @TheSeductiveMoose said:
" @ShadowofIntent said:
" Because without America all of Europe would be speaking German, South Korea would not exist, and Saddam Hussein would still be in power.  What has Russia done for the world other than spread communism? "
NO, It's because of The Soviet Union Europe isn't speaking german right now. "
I think the US schools almost only focus on their contribution in WW2 so they think they almost single handedly won the war. "
You're right on the money. Even in my school, which is pretty liberal, we were really only taught about American accomplishments in WW2. I basically had to do my own research to get the whole story.
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#40  Edited By Espada12
@ShadowofIntent said:

" Because without America all of Europe would be speaking German, South Korea would not exist, and Saddam Hussein would still be in power.  What has Russia done for the world other than spread communism? "

I hope you understand that the Russians gave the most to stop nazi Germany, secondly South Korea was a UN led battle with the US spear heading, thirdly you do realise that US ousted Saddam and then put him back into power right? Right??? I won't deny the US did alot for the world, but I think you should read up on your stuff dude.
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#41  Edited By Obsidian

OP is pretty oblivious I think.  There are plenty of games with American villains already named in this thread.  I am a bit sick of Russian villains though.

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#42  Edited By Raymayne

Well there's this one called Modern Warfare 2....

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#44  Edited By Helimocopter

Well, most games that put America in a negative light target cultural stuff over military, because then its intellectual instead of gratuitous, anti-american violence in the eyes of the american public
 
Almost forgot, if you played Mercs 2: World in Flames, you can totally side with  China and fight the UN forces, which is basically the American army

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#45  Edited By PrivateIronTFU
@Espada12: To be fair, this guy thinks Transformers 2 is better than the first one, so it's pretty safe to assume he's not all there.
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#46  Edited By Scooper

The US is the biggest market. That's what sells the most copies. And that the end of that. If no one or like 1% of people who buys games in the US now bought games now and 90% of all game sales happened in Russia you'd always have the Russians as the good guys and have someone else as the bad guys.

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#47  Edited By takua108

Just going off the top of my head for games I own: 
Dead Rising and Dead Rising 2: kill hella American zombies and psychopaths, and also fight the American military in the first one. 
Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2: kill hella American zombies. 
Modern Warfare 2: the Americans are secretly the bad guys. 
Civilization 5: you can fight George Washington and the American army. 
Grand Theft Auto 1, III, Vice City, San Andreas, IV: the "bad guys" are American. 

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#48  Edited By Espada12
@Brendan said:
" There are plenty of American or "Western" villians in games.  Also, the upcoming Bioshock 2's villian largely represents the extremist American.  "
There are almost no games where you from another nationality fighting Americans.  I think that's what the OP meant. 
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#49  Edited By joeybagad0nutz
@TheSeductiveMoose said:
" @ShadowofIntent said:
" Because without America all of Europe would be speaking German, South Korea would not exist, and Saddam Hussein would still be in power.  What has Russia done for the world other than spread communism? "
NO, It's because of The Soviet Union Europe isn't speaking german right now. "

NO, it's because of the efforts of the United States of America and the Soviet Union that Europe isn't speaking German. Learn your history. France was done, Britain had no more forces to fight back a full scale war. Germany would have regrouped their forces from Western Europe and took the Soviet Union head on in full strenght. Americans and Russians working together, forcing Germany to fight a war on two fronts led to the downfall of Germany. I hate it when someone gives all the credit to just one of these countries. They both deserve credit.
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CoD4 makes Americans look like cocky idiots (which they are (I am American)).
 
I wish more games took the risk to exaggerate America's flaws satirically, like Dead Rising1/2 and CoD4. It's original, and sheaths off some slack from other countries that get it up the ass from some Tom Clancy inspired developers.