Am I a male chauvinist

@Jrinswand said:

Holy fuck I hate the GB community sometimes. "Cunt, cunt, cunt." Real nice, guys.

i like humming the indiania jones theme but instead of duh duh duh DUH dun duh DUHHH!

its cunt cunt cunt cunt CUNT cunT cunt CUNT! it doesnt look right when you type it out...

but it sounds awesome, you should try it!

@Video_Game_King said:

@pyromagnestir said:

And I couldn't help myself... I do not actually endorse the notion of throwing this woman into the television, just to be clear.

But what is your position on whores?

Now I totally want to be Adachi for Halloween...

@falserelic said:

I sense a female user will post a angrily comment on this thread.

P-LEASE.

The dude feminists on the site are the worse.

@Skytylz said:

You should have said: "Only a sith deals in absolutes."

Dude, yes.

By the way, this girl sounds like a dick.

I'm all for equality, but I wouldn't call myself a feminist. To me "feminist" sounds like striving for female superiority. That's not what I want. It baffles me that things like difference in salary between genders for the same position still exists - how can anyone authorize that and get away with it? What's the argument that would let you cross that line? How could anyone defend that when confronted with it? Why isn't anyone being confronted with it? Why isn't there a law against it?

Don't get me started on allowing an equal number of men and women into a university or the like to get an even spread, that's the exact opposite of equality. Go by grades and grades alone.

I'm male if it matters.

Considering how iniquitous western societies are when it comes to genres, not supporting femininity's cause kind of makes you a chauvinist by idly supporting a screamingly unequal statu quo. You shouldn't worry too much about it as this interpretation is a bit of a stretch, most people are in this situation, men and women alike. The popular interpretation of chauvinism is restricted to actively endorsing this statu quo, or the increase its oppressive tendencies.

And before any of you ask, no I don't feel like explaining why our society is so unequal in that regard. Read sociology works.

@Maystack said:

@Animasta said:

@Simplexity said:

@Animasta said:

you may not be (I don't know enough about you to say, and she was definitely too quick to judge) but theres lots of chauvinists in this thread already lol

You seem like someone that is more clued into this whole feminism thing than I am, so I guess you could probably answer my question , even if I don't consider myself a feminist or really know anything about them nor do I really care all that much but still have never thought of women or anyone really as inferior to myself do I qualify as a chauvinist?

nah. I'm specifically talking about anyone that called her a cunt; gendered insults aren't cool.

I'd just say that you should be more... thoughtful, I guess, of people's positions. What you should have done is ask her what feminism means to her, because that word is very broad.

I don't know what the deal is in the US (I think you take more offence to the word), but over in the UK, cunt is no way a gendered insult. Sure, it's named after a female body part but it's not used to insult women. It's used to insult anyone.

still a US site with mainly US visitors. I wouldn't be mad if I was posting on a site full of brits, for instance, but ya know.

well I'd kinda be mad but I wouldn't say anything

@Animasta said:

I wouldn't be mad if I was posting on a site full of brits, for instance, but ya know.

And then somebody posted a list of all of Giant Bomb's British users.

@Video_Game_King said:

@Animasta said:

I wouldn't be mad if I was posting on a site full of brits, for instance, but ya know.

And then somebody posted a list of all of Giant Bomb's British users.

ugh, I clearly meant a majority.

She sounds like a terrible person. You should have waited till she turned around and kicked her in the bum hole.

feminists is just someone who wants equal right. Girls in the middle east who can't go to school because they are oppressed. A femist will stand up for them.equality is good.

@BeachThunder said:

@Regal said:

I do recognize though that this is a very shitty definition on all levels, not the least logically, because the word feminism is not gender neutral. The feminists that want a privileged position in society for women also call themselves feminists and have a greater claim to the title than those that merely wants to balance the feminine and masculine genders in society - so one ought not to ever use the word feminism to describe gender equality.

This is exactly why I hate the term 'feminism'. The term just suggests flipping from one inequality to another.

No it doesn't. You just want it to because it makes being a misogynist a lot easier.

Feminism is a ideology that promotes the advancement of women's rights so they are equal to men's. Nothing more. Nothing less. Yes, there are radfems who use the term differently, but there are minorities in every group who appropriate words to mean something they don't.

I already see where this is going.

Pig

@moywar700 said:

feminists is just someone who wants equal right. Girls in the middle east who can't go to school because they are oppressed. A femist will stand up for them.equality is good.

in theory yes, in practice, ive met alot of "feminists" in college that were probably the most sexist people ive ever met.

Oh hey a thread about gender issues that's devolved into insults. Weird!

Was she hot?

I don't know if you're a chauvinist, but I doubt it. Perhaps the biggest problem surrounding feminism, is that a lot of people seem to have a lot of very different ideas about what a "feminist" is, I'm sure if you'd explained your position on women's rights to her you two would have reached a more friendly understanding over the issue. Personally, while I in no way begrudge anyone who identifies as a feminist, I prefer to identify as a gender equalist, although I do have a very special pocket of frustration within me for all the times people declare that feminists are all man-hating sexists who want their female-centric ideology to be imposed on everyone.

Cunt is a fun word to say. I suppose I should move to Britian land?

If somebody asked me if I was this or that, without me expressing any obvious desire to talk about my political views with strangers, I'd tell them to mind their own business.

@Gamer_152 said:

I prefer to identify as a gender equalist,

And that is why you win! ^ ^

On thread topic OP question thing: No, I doubt you're a male chauvinist. If you were then she'd already know by how you treated and talked about the women you work with. So she wouldn't have even bothered asking if you were a feminist!

I'm pretty sure nothing like this has ever happened.

@Regal said:

I do recognize though that this is a very shitty definition on all levels, not the least logically, because the word feminism is not gender neutral. The feminists that want a privileged position in society for women also call themselves feminists and have a greater claim to the title than those that merely wants to balance the feminine and masculine genders in society - so one ought not to ever use the word feminism to describe gender equality.

This

Most females are chauvinsts, why shouldn't you be. What?

@Animasta said:

@Simplexity said:

@Animasta said:

you may not be (I don't know enough about you to say, and she was definitely too quick to judge) but theres lots of chauvinists in this thread already lol

You seem like someone that is more clued into this whole feminism thing than I am, so I guess you could probably answer my question , even if I don't consider myself a feminist or really know anything about them nor do I really care all that much but still have never thought of women or anyone really as inferior to myself do I qualify as a chauvinist?

nah. I'm specifically talking about anyone that called her a cunt; gendered insults aren't cool.

I'd just say that you should be more... thoughtful, I guess, of people's positions. What you should have done is ask her what feminism means to her, because that word is very broad.

Trust me, as someone who uses cunt a lot; cunt is not a fucking gendered insult. Like saying dick. People call dudes dicks all the fucking time, does that equate to sexism? Or course not, now stop being so pathetic.

When I was in England, I heard the word 'cunt' there often. Some people used it like it was their last name. I've heard it a few times in the US but its often treated like a 'final insult'. I dunno, to the OP, don't spend any time with people who attempt to drag you into their pseudo sociological discussions.

@Dixavd said:

@believer258 said:

@Mcmurrow said:

I sense a female user will post a angrily comment on this thread.

No. She's just a cunt.

I was going to say something about how that woman was totally in the wrong but responding with sexism in kind was not a whole lot better.

Then I remembered that this is Giant Bomb and the internet.

So never mind.

I don't think that calling her a "cunt" was responding with sexism in kind. It certainly isn't the word I would use - I don't too much like the word - but it is a fitting word nonetheless.

Unless you're talking about where the word came from, in which case have you ever called someone a "dick"?

The "Cunt" one on the other hand was again almost certainly not meant in a sexist way, but it is extremely unwise as it is used quite strongly to demean and suppress femininity (either by insulting men (and other genders) who seem effeminate or by insult women specifically.

Depends where your from. If you in Australia and you don't have a stick up your rectum, calling someone a "Mad Cunt" actually means you think highly of their insane antics.

On the topic at hand.

A: No your not

B: She's a douche

@AlexW00d said:

@Animasta said:

@Simplexity said:

@Animasta said:

you may not be (I don't know enough about you to say, and she was definitely too quick to judge) but theres lots of chauvinists in this thread already lol

You seem like someone that is more clued into this whole feminism thing than I am, so I guess you could probably answer my question , even if I don't consider myself a feminist or really know anything about them nor do I really care all that much but still have never thought of women or anyone really as inferior to myself do I qualify as a chauvinist?

nah. I'm specifically talking about anyone that called her a cunt; gendered insults aren't cool.

I'd just say that you should be more... thoughtful, I guess, of people's positions. What you should have done is ask her what feminism means to her, because that word is very broad.

Trust me, as someone who uses cunt a lot; cunt is not a fucking gendered insult. Like saying dick. People call dudes dicks all the fucking time, does that equate to sexism? Or course not, now stop being so pathetic.

In the USA, it is. Tell me, then, what is the difference between calling someone a dick and calling someone a cunt?

@Galiant said:

@Skytylz said:

You should have said: "Only a sith deals in absolutes."

Dude, yes.

By the way, this girl sounds like a dick.

I'm all for equality, but I wouldn't call myself a feminist. To me "feminist" sounds like striving for female superiority. That's not what I want. It baffles me that things like difference in salary between genders for the same position still exists - how can anyone authorize that and get away with it? What's the argument that would let you cross that line? How could anyone defend that when confronted with it? Why isn't anyone being confronted with it? Why isn't there a law against it?

Don't get me started on allowing an equal number of men and women into a university or the like to get an even spread, that's the exact opposite of equality. Go by grades and grades alone.

I'm male if it matters.

The word "feminist" has such bad rep. Equalist always sounded better and I feel would encompass more what it's about, because no matter what you feel feminist means, it's like people think it's about some sort of amazonian male apocalypse where babies are made in test tubes or something. Okay, not quite that extreme, but still.

And yes, the mentality behind some kind of absolute 50/50 split is as bad as what they (not necessary all feminists, but some leftists express it as a good solution) are trying to solve by it, by using gender as a means of distributing people. It's just rotten. And it has absolutely nothing to do with equality apart from cold mathematical and statistical eqality; It doesn't actually solve the underlying problem. Gender shouldn't be an issue or thing to begin with. Con fucku gratu fucking lations, your company is 50/50. Shows me that you care enough about gender to start sorting us like animals. Who cares if this girl has a PHD?! I NEED MORE PENIS IN MY COMPANY! I mean please. As if gender somehow automagically qualifies you for a job outside of the porn industry.

So yea. Agree with you.

It's just some delusional person with the attitude "I'm youre not with us, you're against us".

@Animasta: Nothing. They are both words used to offend people, 'cause people find them offensive. And this isn't the USA, this is the internet. With US users making up less than half of the users. I wish Ethan was still about to make those posts.

@AlexW00d said:

@Animasta: Nothing. They are both words used to offend people, 'cause people find them offensive. And this isn't the USA, this is the internet. With US users making up less than half of the users. I wish Ethan was still about to make those posts.

it's still a majority and it's still a US based site. It may be "genderless" in the UK (I doubt this personally), but in the US it isn't and I'm pretty sure most of the people responding were American.

edit; also my question was why wouldn't you call her a dick?

@Animasta said:

@AlexW00d said:

@Animasta: Nothing. They are both words used to offend people, 'cause people find them offensive. And this isn't the USA, this is the internet. With US users making up less than half of the users. I wish Ethan was still about to make those posts.

it's still a majority and it's still a US based site. It may be "genderless" in the UK (I doubt this personally), but in the US it isn't and I'm pretty sure most of the people responding were American.

edit; also my question was why wouldn't you call her a dick?

Of course you'd doubt it. You're wrong though. No-one uses it to refer to a vagina. Quite literally no-one. Does anyone other than disgusting porn stars?

And I didn't say she was a cunt in the first place, even if she does seem to be one. I would use cunt over dick though 'cause cunt sounds better. That T at the end. Dick is a boring word.

You're fine. It's like when I get asked about gay marriage and I go "I guess I don't really think about that" and I become the worst person.

One of those "if you're not with me, you're against me" type people. if you treat women equally then you're perfectly fine.

@depecheload said:

@BeachThunder said:

@Regal said:

I do recognize though that this is a very shitty definition on all levels, not the least logically, because the word feminism is not gender neutral. The feminists that want a privileged position in society for women also call themselves feminists and have a greater claim to the title than those that merely wants to balance the feminine and masculine genders in society - so one ought not to ever use the word feminism to describe gender equality.

This is exactly why I hate the term 'feminism'. The term just suggests flipping from one inequality to another.

No it doesn't. You just want it to because it makes being a misogynist a lot easier.

Feminism is a ideology that promotes the advancement of women's rights so they are equal to men's. Nothing more. Nothing less. Yes, there are radfems who use the term differently, but there are minorities in every group who appropriate words to mean something they don't.

So, if we're taking 'feminism' to mean 'gender equality', what is the reason to prefer using 'feminism' over 'gender equality'? Surely there is something a little incoherent about using a term that refers to one specific gender to suggest equality for all genders.

@AlexW00d said:

@Animasta said:

@AlexW00d said:

@Animasta: Nothing. They are both words used to offend people, 'cause people find them offensive. And this isn't the USA, this is the internet. With US users making up less than half of the users. I wish Ethan was still about to make those posts.

it's still a majority and it's still a US based site. It may be "genderless" in the UK (I doubt this personally), but in the US it isn't and I'm pretty sure most of the people responding were American.

edit; also my question was why wouldn't you call her a dick?

Of course you'd doubt it. You're wrong though. No-one uses it to refer to a vagina. Quite literally no-one. Does anyone other than disgusting porn stars?

And I didn't say she was a cunt in the first place, even if she does seem to be one. I would use cunt over dick though 'cause cunt sounds better. That T at the end. Dick is a boring word.

then you're saying that cunt is the more extreme word, then, which is a difference.

and no one actually uses it to refer to a vagina besides, like, really bad erotic authors, but think on the etymology of the insult; why is it insulting? why is cunt considered more extreme than dick?

That's equivalent to saying "You're with us, or you're against us." As though there isn't any grey area, or that you can't have your own valid ideas or beliefs that wouldn't place you comfortably in someone's neat little categories.

Do you think women shouldn't be given equal pay? Do you think their place is in the home? Those things would make you a chauvinist.

@Animasta: he didn't say it's a more extreme word, he said it's more phonetically appealing

@Animasta: Where did I say it was more extreme? I said it it's more to interesting to say. Literally, the actual forming of the word cunt when you say it. The sound the word actually makes when you say it. Most words that end in a consonant and a T have the same effect.

Also if you look at the etymology of the word, it's been used since the middle ages, but has only been used to refer to a vagina in the last century or so.

Wow what a cunt.

I'd say about 95% of people in the developed world are feminists without knowing it. Feminism made stuff they take for granted possible - like voting rights for women or the right to, well lol, have a goddamn job. Today the fight is rather for equality in the workplace in pay, ability to advance and in general to be treated like equals, seeing as men still are vastly superior in numbers in leading positions, or not to be viewed like sex objects - hello booth babes.

Most today however equate the word feminism to men-hating harpies that say shit like 'all men are animals', or rather for some reason view as a non-issue seeing as it's more comfortable that way. I don't think you should feel bad for perhaps not being totally educated on the subject, and it sadly is still controversial to call yourself a feminist today - especially in the US as I gather.

Her reaction was quite rude, and I'd never say you're a chauvinist for simply not being feminist - just a bit uneducated in an issue that honestly probably doesn't effect you - in ways you notice - that much.

@Dixavd said:

@believer258 said:

@Mcmurrow said:

I sense a female user will post a angrily comment on this thread.

No. She's just a cunt.

I was going to say something about how that woman was totally in the wrong but responding with sexism in kind was not a whole lot better.

Then I remembered that this is Giant Bomb and the internet.

So never mind.

I don't think that calling her a "cunt" was responding with sexism in kind. It certainly isn't the word I would use - I don't too much like the word - but it is a fitting word nonetheless.

Unless you're talking about where the word came from, in which case have you ever called someone a "dick"?

The first part said that could be construde as sexist is "I sense a female user will post a angrily comment on this thread" as it suggests that the opinion on this is divided by gender and that men cannot believe that he was in the wrong (whether he is or not isn't relative to that being sexist, I personally don't think that he was but assuming that only women can believe that - or to the extremes of stereotypes saying that only women can get angry at such an issue is nonsense).

Still I don't think @falserelic meant anything by it. Just like I realised a bunch of people I know didn't mean to be sexist when a question arose about if people would rather end racism or sexism and two girls said sexism erupting in one of the others immediatly saying "well you would say that". Nothing was really meant by it, it was just a simply reaction (one that should be pointed out when it happens as "that's not okay" but not anything to get annoyed about.

The "Cunt" one on the other hand was again almost certainly not meant in a sexist way, but it is extremely unwise as it is used quite strongly to demean and suppress femininity (either by insulting men (and other genders) who seem effeminate or by insult women specifically. It is very unwise to use that word when insulting people in exactly the same way that calling someone a "Nigger" or other racial stereotypes is unwise; cunt as extreme connotations of abuse towards women so using it while staying blind to it isn't a good thing to do; even if the person uses it equally to everyone, the use of it to a woman will be constude as even more offensive as when people react to it they have no understanding of when the person would usually use it to know if it was a normal insult or if it was a gender specific one.

It has nothing to do with its origins from sexual organs, it is about the abuse that it holds and its links to slavery, trafficking and suppression of rights in society.

You should begin proofreading; this is so badly worded that I can't make heads or tails of a good portion of it.

And while "cunt" is the most insulting word in the English language in America, it's not generally considered a gender-specific term because you can use it to insult anybody (whereas white men aren't generally called "niggers", so bad comparison there buddy). While we're on that subject, go back to the word "dick" - it's almost never used to insult women and yet you didn't seem to have anything to say about that. Sure, you could call a woman that, but it wouldn't sound right because it isn't used that way.

That's the same as calling someone a homophobe because they aren't a gay rights activist.

@crusader8463 said:

@Meowshi said:

@crusader8463 said:

I would have sad "No, I believe in treating everyone equally." then dropped whatever I was holding on the floor and strut away like a boss.

That's what feminism is, which is exactly why she acted the way she did.

As said before, there is too much of a grey area in what people view that term in. When I hear that term I picture a crazy, ugly, lesbian, man hating, fem nazi that goes out of their way to hate on anything with a penis. If they took the time to explain what they meant by the term then you could have elaborated on it, but given the way the OP described the situation the lady in question seemed like the above mentioned and not someone who was looking to have a sane conversation with.

Oh well, that's your problem. You're judging the entire movement by the worst trolls associated with it.

In my opinion, the woman was in the right.

@Jrinswand said:

Holy fuck I hate the GB community sometimes. "Cunt, cunt, cunt." Real nice, guys.

Fine, fine she sounds like a total cock. That equal enough for you?

Most likely a bitchy lesbian who hates men because they are only feminist or chauvinists...if I was you sitting there and she said that to me, yeah, she'd be walking out really hating men even more or wishing they were all dead. ;)

@Simplexity: Welcome to the adult world where opinions are condemned to absolutes and if you are not part of one, you are part of the other. There is no such thing as grey areas when it comes to maturity, it's all about the black and white. Just wait until someone compares your attitude to the KKK and then your descent into madness will be complete.

A true feminist is someone who understands the differences between men and women, and addresses its strengths and fortifies the weaknesses. They do not go after petty results like "equality in Football," but focus on important subjects like equality in the work-place, balancing of sexual dignity, and other important ideals that do not center around vanity or being better than the other sex. They just understand that overall men and women are built differently and should be treated so, but with the idea that the only thing that makes a woman a woman is her Vagina and reproduction capabilities, so why should they be treated differently when it comes to financial and integrity?