Anyone know how to factor polynomials?

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#1  Edited By playastation

Hey guys, I'm talking calculus, but high school math was such a long time ago. I can do simple polynomials like:
 x^2 + 6x + 8
 
I find 2 numbers that add to 6 and multiply to  8. So I end up with
(x + 2)(x + 4)
 
But what if I have :
3x^2 -7x + 2
 
What do I do?

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#2  Edited By Dany

Ask your professor not us, colleges have tons of resources at your disposal, use them

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#4  Edited By Muttinus_Rump

Quadratic formula.
 
EDIT: Didn't see the three. Can't you just do that in your head?
 
x = 1/3 or 2

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#5  Edited By playastation

Trying it out...

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#6  Edited By vaiz

Man, you just made me realize how fucked I'm gonna be when I start my math class in a couple of weeks. I took an algebra class last semester and I already forget how to do this shit. Good thing I have an entire folder full of notes lying around.

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#7  Edited By Grissefar

Are you allowed to use software? I just typed into Maple:
 
factor(3*x^2-7*x+2);
 
and got:

 (3 x - 1) (x - 2)
 
Your TI-89 could easily do it too.

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#8  Edited By mesoian

Pemdas. 
 
Now, it's been a while...but...
 
 3x^2 -7x + 2 --> 3x*3x-7x+2 --> 9x-7x+2 --> 2x +2 --> 2x =-2 --> x =-1

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#9  Edited By groin
@Mesoian said:
" Pemdas.   Now, it's been a while...but...   3x^2 -7x + 2 --> 3x*3x-7x+2 --> 9x-7x+2 --> 2x +2 --> 2x =-2 --> x =-1 "   
That is just wrong. 
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#11  Edited By mesoian
@groin: Quite right. 
 
I hate mechanical computation for equations. It always makes everything look odd.
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#12  Edited By Grissefar
@Mesoian said:
" Pemdas.   Now, it's been a while...but...   3x^2 -7x + 2 --> 3x*3x-7x+2 --> 9x-7x+2 --> 2x +2 --> 2x =-2 --> x =-1 "
WHAT THE HELL!!!!
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#13  Edited By nick_verissimo

As mentioned, I'd just stick to the quadratic formula.  I personally hate dealing with fractions and completing the square would just get messy. 
I also got  X = 1/3, 2.

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#14  Edited By Ciffy
@playastation said:

" Hey guys, I'm talking calculus, but high school math was such a long time ago. I can do simple polynomials like:  x^2 + 6x + 8  I find 2 numbers that add to 6 and multiply to  8. So I end up with (x + 2)(x + 4)  But what if I have : 3x^2 -7x + 2  What do I do? "

You're doing the same thing, finding a set of numbers that meet specifications.  You've got (#x +- #)(#x +- #).  Without the number in front of the x^2 you only have to worry about the later 2 numbers, with something in front of the x^2 you have to worry about all four numbers.  The only way to multiply and get 3 (for the 3x^2) is 3 and 1, so the numbers in front of the xs are 3 and 1 so (3x +- #)(x +- #).  I always learned it FIOL (First, inside, outside, last) so in your first example, (x * x) + (2 * x) + (x * 4) + (2 * 4) (ie first number in each pair, inside number from each pair, outside number in each pair, last number in each pair).  The first set makes up the first number, the inside and outside set make up the middle number and the last set makes up the last number.  So, you need some number multiplied by 3 plus or minus another number multiplied by 1 to equal -7 and those two numbers need to be multiplied together to get +2.  (3x * x) + (#a * x) + (3x * #b) + (#a * #b).  The simplest way to get +2 out of multiplication is 1 * 2 or -1 * -2 so try those.   
 
(#a * x) + (3x * #b) = -7x? 
(1*x) + (3x * 2) = x + 6x = 7x and we need -7x so 
-1 * x + 3x * -2 = -x - 6x = -7x. 
therefore, (3x -1)(x -2) is your answer. 
 
Hope that wasn't too terribly confusing; I'm a nerd that loves math i'm just not great at explaining it.
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#15  Edited By cire147258369

ya its pretty easy actually to bad this is a gaming website

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#16  Edited By Eidderf

With a smile.

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#17  Edited By Karl_Boss

Pay attention in class or use excel

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#18  Edited By Grissefar
@nick_verissimo said:
" As mentioned, I'd just stick to the quadratic formula.  I personally hate dealing with fractions and completing the square would just get messy. I also got  X = 1/3, 2. "
@Muttinus_Rump said:
" Quadratic formula.  EDIT: Didn't see the three. Can't you just do that in your head?  x = 1/3 or 2 "
What the hell. He didn't want to solve them, he wanted to factor them.
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#20  Edited By Muttinus_Rump
@Grissefar said:
" @nick_verissimo said:
" As mentioned, I'd just stick to the quadratic formula.  I personally hate dealing with fractions and completing the square would just get messy. I also got  X = 1/3, 2. "
@Muttinus_Rump said:
" Quadratic formula.  EDIT: Didn't see the three. Can't you just do that in your head?  x = 1/3 or 2 "
What the hell. He didn't want to solve them, he wanted to factor them. "
My bad. But not really a what the hell moment.
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#21  Edited By halberdierv2
@Ciffy: that seems pretty good... i can get the answer, but i cant figure out your method, although, i think i was taught a different way at school... although, it may just be how you have it written that's confusing me.
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#22  Edited By eternalrift

The quadratic formula works well for degree 2 polynomials, and is usually the fastest way to get complex roots. If the degree of the polynomial is higher than two, however, I always find it easier to remove all of the rational roots with synthetic division (cf. the Rational root theorem) and then worry about complex roots.

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#23  Edited By playastation
@Ciffy:  i got the same as cliffy! anyone else?
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#24  Edited By playastation

thanks guys i got it, @Cliffy's method works great
 
its calculus for scientists, they just expect us to know this stuff, nothing in the textbook or anything
 
But man its been awhile

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#25  Edited By Jimbo

I'm rusty as all hell (it's been about 8 years since I needed to know this), but this is how I think I'd do it:
 
3x^2 -7x + 2  
 

  1. You know you'll have a (3x   ) and a (x    ) bracket (because multiplied out they'll give you the '3x^2' part).  
  2. You know the two loose numbers (currently missing above) will multiply out to give you the '+2'.
  3. You know the only way to get '+2' is multiplying a positive by a positive, or a negative by a negative. 
  4. The '-7x' part tells you this needs to be a negative by a negative, so you have (3x-  )(x-  ), with a '2' to go in one bracket and a '1' to go in the other.
  5. The '3x' will multiply out by the number in the second bracket, and the 'x' will multiply out by the number in the first bracket.  Combined they need to give you '-7x', so you obviously want the '3x' to multiply out with '-2' (giving -6x), and the 'x' to multiply out with the '-1' (giving -x).  '-6x' + '-x' = '-7x'.
  6. Now you have all the parts:  (3x-1)(x-2).  If you multiply these out you'll (hopefully) get what you started with.
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#26  Edited By iam3green

hey, are you in my match class or something lol? i'm doing the same thing. it's like (3x + 1(x -2) something like that.

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#27  Edited By Video_Game_King

I believe the answer is (3x-1)(x-2), although I'm a bit rusty, myself.

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#28  Edited By playastation

lol math 1200 at mount royal? no? @iam3green:

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#29  Edited By Ciffy

yeah, basically I did what @Jimbo did, I just didn't explain it as well.  Other problem is that you don't know that it's both negatives; you could have a -10 and a +3 and it come out to -7.  You can pair the fact that it has to be a positive number (+2) and a negative (-7x) whatever that part is called to get that it has to be two negatives though... sorry I'm confusing myself now...

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#30  Edited By iam3green
@playastation:  no, but pretty funny that were doing the same thing.
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#31  Edited By gman
@playastation: This is such a great thread. I was a high school math teacher before I started running Comic Vine full time.  I think a lot of this was already answered. Not all polynomials can be factored. Completing the square works and you can always get the roots (or solutions) by using the Quadratic Formula. Sometimes you just gotta use guess and check if you can't "see" the solution right away. But believe me, it does get easier the more you do it. That's why your teacher is probably giving you a bunch of problems to "practice" on your homework.