Hey guys, I'm talking calculus, but high school math was such a long time ago. I can do simple polynomials like:
x^2 + 6x + 8
I find 2 numbers that add to 6 and multiply to 8. So I end up with
(x + 2)(x + 4)
But what if I have :
3x^2 -7x + 2
What do I do?
Anyone know how to factor polynomials?
You could always use the quadratic formula, seen on the right had side of this page:
http://www.purplemath.com/modules/quadform.htm
Or, you could do it by completing the square, if you've done that method.
As mentioned, I'd just stick to the quadratic formula. I personally hate dealing with fractions and completing the square would just get messy.
I also got X = 1/3, 2.
You're doing the same thing, finding a set of numbers that meet specifications. You've got (#x +- #)(#x +- #). Without the number in front of the x^2 you only have to worry about the later 2 numbers, with something in front of the x^2 you have to worry about all four numbers. The only way to multiply and get 3 (for the 3x^2) is 3 and 1, so the numbers in front of the xs are 3 and 1 so (3x +- #)(x +- #). I always learned it FIOL (First, inside, outside, last) so in your first example, (x * x) + (2 * x) + (x * 4) + (2 * 4) (ie first number in each pair, inside number from each pair, outside number in each pair, last number in each pair). The first set makes up the first number, the inside and outside set make up the middle number and the last set makes up the last number. So, you need some number multiplied by 3 plus or minus another number multiplied by 1 to equal -7 and those two numbers need to be multiplied together to get +2. (3x * x) + (#a * x) + (3x * #b) + (#a * #b). The simplest way to get +2 out of multiplication is 1 * 2 or -1 * -2 so try those." Hey guys, I'm talking calculus, but high school math was such a long time ago. I can do simple polynomials like: x^2 + 6x + 8 I find 2 numbers that add to 6 and multiply to 8. So I end up with (x + 2)(x + 4) But what if I have : 3x^2 -7x + 2 What do I do? "
(#a * x) + (3x * #b) = -7x?
(1*x) + (3x * 2) = x + 6x = 7x and we need -7x so
-1 * x + 3x * -2 = -x - 6x = -7x.
therefore, (3x -1)(x -2) is your answer.
Hope that wasn't too terribly confusing; I'm a nerd that loves math i'm just not great at explaining it.
" As mentioned, I'd just stick to the quadratic formula. I personally hate dealing with fractions and completing the square would just get messy. I also got X = 1/3, 2. "@Muttinus_Rump said:
" Quadratic formula. EDIT: Didn't see the three. Can't you just do that in your head? x = 1/3 or 2 "What the hell. He didn't want to solve them, he wanted to factor them.
" @nick_verissimo said:My bad. But not really a what the hell moment." As mentioned, I'd just stick to the quadratic formula. I personally hate dealing with fractions and completing the square would just get messy. I also got X = 1/3, 2. "@Muttinus_Rump said:" Quadratic formula. EDIT: Didn't see the three. Can't you just do that in your head? x = 1/3 or 2 "What the hell. He didn't want to solve them, he wanted to factor them. "
The quadratic formula works well for degree 2 polynomials, and is usually the fastest way to get complex roots. If the degree of the polynomial is higher than two, however, I always find it easier to remove all of the rational roots with synthetic division (cf. the Rational root theorem) and then worry about complex roots.
thanks guys i got it, @Cliffy's method works great
its calculus for scientists, they just expect us to know this stuff, nothing in the textbook or anything
But man its been awhile
I'm rusty as all hell (it's been about 8 years since I needed to know this), but this is how I think I'd do it:
3x^2 -7x + 2
- You know you'll have a (3x ) and a (x ) bracket (because multiplied out they'll give you the '3x^2' part).
- You know the two loose numbers (currently missing above) will multiply out to give you the '+2'.
- You know the only way to get '+2' is multiplying a positive by a positive, or a negative by a negative.
- The '-7x' part tells you this needs to be a negative by a negative, so you have (3x- )(x- ), with a '2' to go in one bracket and a '1' to go in the other.
- The '3x' will multiply out by the number in the second bracket, and the 'x' will multiply out by the number in the first bracket. Combined they need to give you '-7x', so you obviously want the '3x' to multiply out with '-2' (giving -6x), and the 'x' to multiply out with the '-1' (giving -x). '-6x' + '-x' = '-7x'.
- Now you have all the parts: (3x-1)(x-2). If you multiply these out you'll (hopefully) get what you started with.
yeah, basically I did what @Jimbo did, I just didn't explain it as well. Other problem is that you don't know that it's both negatives; you could have a -10 and a +3 and it come out to -7. You can pair the fact that it has to be a positive number (+2) and a negative (-7x) whatever that part is called to get that it has to be two negatives though... sorry I'm confusing myself now...
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