"Countries" - Why they do not exist, and why they shouldn't.

@Yagami:

I bug you for being 17 because, well, high school students everywhere kind of sound like you do. I used to sound like this. I also fucking hated it when people said "You're just 17" so I get why you wouldn't like me doing that. It was shitty for me to dumb you down like that and that isn't fair so my bad. But...still man, you sound like a high school student. There's nothing inherently bad about that but that does mean that a lot of the older members here won't relate to what you're trying to say. The thing is is that as you get older you let thing like this topic go. To me, as a person who is no longer in high school, this topic just seems like an unnecessary topic to argue about. But it's cool you're thinking about it I guess.

@Yagami: You still have not really answered the question, 'automatically' and 'lets all agree' and 'try' are not good enough responses. Can you fly? No?...oh you haven't tried? How about you try by jumping off a very tall building, once you try you can't fail. (I'm not being a dick by the way, just trying to demonstrate why your point is silly).

I'm glad that you are full of optimism and have faith in man and all that, but most people are only concerned about them and theirs. Most people find it hard anough to get along with their neighbours, and you want them to get along with the whole planet just cos' its nice? Man, I personally know people who would happily shank a guy over £20, good luck trying to get them to play nice.

As much as I would like the idea of people getting along with each other, what you're going on about just isn't realistic. You can't make the whole human race conform to one religion, culture, ect..It's not fair to those who don't agree with it. We have borders for this very reason. Besides, if you had the whole human race under one government then nothing would ever get accomplished and progress would never be made because you will ALWAYS have someone who will disagree with the laws, politics, and such forth.

@Ravenousrattler said:

Alright lets start the New World Order you guys

Dibs on being Macho Man! Ooooooooooh yeah!

@sanchopanza said:

@Pezen: What does lie ahead mr doom-sayer? Please enlighten us.

A really easy one would probably be the fact that our sun will not burn forever.

For one, its undesirable because it would be fucking boring. I wouldn't go to Germany to eat a big mac and speak about the policy decisions of Boris Johnson, I'd do it to see some people wearind lederhosen, drink a tankard of beer and eat some bratwurst. Variety is great.

So you're arguing that the world shouldn't change because you want to go to Germany to see people in lederhosen, drink beer and eat bratwurst? Not only is that a really naive image of what Germany really is today, it's also not taking into account the fact that you can get lederhosen, beer and bratwurst probably anywhere in the world. On top of that, no one said those things would go away due to globalization.

I don't know where you are from, so I do not see where you are getting this 'already happening' bullshit. Every place I have live in has deep cultural divisions. In the UK for example, good luck to you if you try to convince a Scot that they are, or should be, in any way the same as an Englishman, or try telling a Catalan that they do not have an identity distinct from Spain.

Michio Kaku generally gives two big examples; EU and the spreading of English as a global language. Just because there is tribal mentality between neighboring areas, doesn't mean it always will be. In that sense, I don't care that Scots and English have a beef because in centuries to come, that'll grow irrelevant.

Like I said, nothing will happen within our, or the next generation's, lifetime. Because, as you're a shining example of, we're not ready for it yet.

Oh and we have tried to unite and assimilate many culture under a single banner, it did not work. Might want to look at a history book or two. Your whole thing about progress and science is so stupid that I don't even have the energy to respond, just sounds like something an idiotic 15 year old would say at a hippie gathering.

We already have many cultures under a single banner in many places in the world or are you under the illusion that either immigration doesn't exist or that immigration procedures are so efficient at assimilate newcomers to any given country that they give up their own culture? Where I work there are people from, but not limited to; Thailand, Vietnam, China, Iraq, Somalia, Kenya, Serbia, Denmark, Finland etc. and they all have your precious variety in culture, values and traditions.

But again, you're looking at this whole issue from a really limiting standpoint both in regards to time and what's going on around you. I'm looking at this from the perspective of hundred to thousands of years. On a cosmic scale, our brief moment in time is irrelevant. But right now, the world is evolving towards a less violent, more encompassing moral place. Eventually, I am pretty sure we'll all be vegan, or at the very least have the technology that can give us meat without harming animals. Because what drives change is motivation, and comfortable people are never motivated.

I think it's pretty clear that if anything we need more smaller governments. If you have too much distance between the rulers and the ruled, it's really easy to abstract away how things actually affects real people, and it's really easy to feel completely powerless. The city state is basically ideal; any government greater than that is basically a scam. City states let the cities specialise industry based on geography and so on, which is more efficient, and also leads to greater interdependency, which helps to maintain peace. Microgovernments also mean that the damage they can do is limited - they can't raise a particularly large army, they can't screw up the environment very much, and they don't have enough that invading would be the worth the cost of destabilising the area.

@Pezen: Lol, oh one of those people are you? Well, good luck with that vega crystal ball that lets you see XXXX years into the future. Globalization is largely the result of trade and inter-dependence, not political union. I'm not against globalization (well, maybe against some of the not so well know abuses that is has created), a one-world government on the other hand is a bad idea. I do no, in fact, have a hilariously stereotypical view of Germany, or any other nation, it was a very simple example, you are the naive one for your reductio ad absurdum conclusions. The basic point still stands, how do you account for massive cultural differences when trying to integrate different nations: go to Uganda and try to convince them about the benefits of homosexuality, or go to the USA and try to tell them that sharia law is a good idea.

I said nothing about immigration or integration, and I think you are an example of why we are 'not ready', give the general lack of awareness of history, human nature, and a general lack of critical thinking. Please, do not be offended, I'm not trying to be an ass just for the sake of it, but your arguments sound incredibly silly. For example: what does a 'more moral' world look like? What is morality, why is your idea of it more relevant than another persons? How did you come to this idea of a more moral world, why is it so great? Do we have moral obligation outside of laws? If so, why do many people ignore these obligation, even within a framework of laws? How would you enforce these morals? Would people just accept them? Is that even viable? All food for thought.

Yeah, we should build a great army and kill everyone that disagrees with us. This way, peace would be brought unto earth.

I was expecting a rant about the use of the word "states" rather than "countries," and I'm kind of bummed I didn't get one.

I vote a return to tribalism. To all who seek glory, we meet tonight at the rise of the moon and the blooming of the nightblossom. All shall perish under our mighty ax, and superior gods.

@confinedbread said:

I vote a return to tribalism. To all who seek glory, we meet tonight at the rise of the moon and the blooming of the nightblossom. All shall perish under our mighty ax, and superior gods.

Can I still be Macho Man?

I can't believe the attention this thread gets. It seems like many members thought of it as a possibility. Hate to break it to you kid but it's not gonna happen because humans.

Ah to be young and so naive.

Give this guy a break, imagine if all the stupid shit that ran through your head as a teenager was posted online.