Gay and Conservative?

So i was watching American dad the other day, and there was this episode about his gay neighbors being conservative and i wondered if there is such a thing. I think it would be pretty cool cause you going after your beliefs even if they are not to your benefit, the ultimate test of political passion(there's other ways too). So yeah i know about 20-30 gay people and they are pretty much all liberals, just curious on if you guys ever met one, or other types of people who support groups that don't support their life CHOICE(aka not black people supporting obama).

American Dad is awesome!

They could be fiscally conservative I guess.

Oil and Water.

I've met and have a quite a few friends that are gay and they run the gamut from Liberal Democrats to Conservative Republicans, some are Christians and a bunch are in between.

People vote against their best interests all the time due to lack of understanding a candidate's position on issues. I've never heard of anyone gay being misinformed enough to vote conservative. However, I'm sure it's possible that there are gay Republicans who are conservative due to owning a business?

We're red and we're gay!

I know a guy who is not only gay and conservative, but also an active catholic.  A rare specimen indeed.

You mean like half of the conservative politicians in office?

Hey-o!

But no, seriously, it's insane to me that Republican politicians who are privately gay regularly vote against gay rights and campaign on platforms stating such. How fucked up is that?

I know a guy who is not only gay and conservative, but also an active catholic.  A rare specimen indeed.

But no, seriously, it's insane to me that Republican politicians who are privately gay regularly vote against gay rights and campaign on platforms stating such. How fucked up is that?

I love that episode!

@ShadowofIntent said:

I know a guy who is not only gay and conservative, but also an active catholic.  A rare specimen indeed.

does the church know he is gay??  
 
@benjaebe said:

But no, seriously, it's insane to me that Republican politicians who are privately gay regularly vote against gay rights and campaign on platforms stating such. How fucked up is that?

Any examples? i can't buy what your saying unless you provide a conservative politician who's been caught being gay(sounds weird).

@gamefreak9: Roy Ashburn, for one. I'm sure there are others that involved more than just being gay, like pedophilia or child pornography, but it's all sort of ironic considering the Republican's heavy "pro-family-values" stance.

@gamefreak9 said:

@ShadowofIntent said:

I know a guy who is not only gay and conservative, but also an active catholic.  A rare specimen indeed.

does the church know he is gay??  
 
@benjaebe said:

But no, seriously, it's insane to me that Republican politicians who are privately gay regularly vote against gay rights and campaign on platforms stating such. How fucked up is that?

Any examples? i can't buy what your saying unless you provide a conservative politician who's been caught being gay(sounds weird).

I forget his name but a few years ago a republican congressman was caught in a sexual act with a man in an airport bathroom.

Depends. I'm sure there are plenty of gays that hate poor people and are all for blowing up all the ragheads. I doubt there are too many religious fundamentalists though.

A gay Muslim or Christian is what I would find crazy.

Thing about gay people is that being gay isn't the only thing that defines them any more than being straight totally defines straight people.   Some gay people would vote Republican because they put their stances on taxes, business, security, etc. ahead of their sexuality.  While a gay person may  or may not be upset that they aren't favored within a party they may feel it's worth it to get their party to change over time or that they're happy enough with things that they don't feel the potential negative impact outweighs the perceived advantages from their viewpoint.

Everyone has the ability to be stupid, not just heterosexuals.

It's not that strange. Do you agree with everything your party/affiliation does?
 
I've known a few gay conservatives. Some of them feel that gay rights are not as pressing a concern as the economy or foreign policy, for example. Gay rights are pretty inevitable in the U.S.; it's less a matter of "if" than "when" at this point. I can see where one could justify putting off progress in some areas to benefit other priorities. It's not as if liberal politicians are doing all that much to help the cause; most of the progress has come from court rulings and constituent pressure.

I think the fact that we can ask this question yet people still vote be Conservative says a lot about the state of the world.

@AlexW00d said:

A gay Muslim or Christian is what I would find crazy.

well iran just changes gay people's gender, so...

American Dad is awesome!

@MysteriousBob said:

@CrazyChris said:

American Dad is awesome!

... no it isn't. Seriously. Its even worse than Family Guy. I don't know how thats even possible, but it is.

Alright, sorry then. :(

Conservative doesn't have to mean bible thumping retard, just like liberal doesn't have to mean aging hippy douchebag. 
 
There's tons of reasons to vote and how people stereotype each side as one extreme end has always bothered me. Not that people on those extremes don't exist, but they're hardly the norm. 
 
For example, I vote conservative (in canada - granted ours are a lot less.. bad than the states, but still) because I believe in less government and in cutting social programs, not making more, with the economy in a roughpatch right now.  
 
That does NOT mean I'm against people sucking on whatever genitals they like, or that I want women repressed or that I'm religious or some shit. 
 
So yes, you can be gay and conservative. Although you're probably not going to be a social conservative. 
 
Then again, Homosexuals seem to want Gay Marriage and not just Civil Union which makes no fucking sense at all to me, so what do I know.

I think theres a big difference between libertarian, conservative and Conservative. 
Libertarians essentially want some sort of organized free for all with private industry at the center, minimal taxes, little to no government regulation or oversight and a government whose only role is defense. 
The conservatives want something similar, perhaps only adding a bit more of a role to the government: promoting private industry (as well as defense). 
The Conservatives want the same stuff + enforced Christianity (usually skewed to some sort of old testament views).  
 
So I can see how someone might be gay and libertarian or conservative, but not gay and Conservative. I can't picture a sane gay person voting for Sarah Palin for example.   
 

There are other reasons other than gay marriage to be conservative. I disagree with democrats on abortion, but I'm still mostly a democrat.

There are no gay people in Serbia, at least not openly gay, for reference see the 2001 pride parade in Belgrade...good times, good times :D

I've always questioned why gay people would vote for republicans.  I don't understand voting for someone who thinks you should have fewer rights than others.

Seth MacFarlane has a pretty warped view on political groups in America, even the stereotypes associated with them.

I remember his examples of right wing plutocrats included Ted Turner, Bill Gates and Michael Eisner (all of whom are outspoken liberals). He also associates northeast elitist prep school crowds with the Republican party, despite that subculture historically being associated with the American left. He also seems to think the Christian fundamentalism fad in recent political times means everyone who supports capitalism (for better or worse) must also be religious.

He's an idiot, basically. American Dad is funny, but you're better off ignoring any political message in it. Family Guy, however, is a train wreck.

Most American Republicans that are lower class or middle class are usually voting against their own interests. They vote based off of religion, abortion, and gun rights, while the actual politics of the Republican party are counter to what they need.

and the upper crust liberal elitists who support Obama and his cadre vote against their own interests

Americans, regardless of education, income or political leanings, are almost always stupid.

The thread title should be Gay and Republican.

@Afroman269 said:

The thread title should be Gay and Republican.

not necessarily.

I dunno, I think the country is progressing enough where being a homosexuality isn't a political issue anymore. I'd think more gays would be liberal anyways.

Well I would say if being conservative means holding to a cogent set of ideas about government intrusion into private life, then a gay person is in a way definition-ally conservative and any conservative who thinks homosexuals should have government rules established against them in any way is also a hypocrite.   
 
That is, so long as you want your political leanings to hold to any cogent set of ideas.  Otherwise, of course, you can be a 'social conservative' which is a fucking oxymoron, considering social conservatives want to government to spend more money enforcing social regulations, flying right in the face of all their fiscal conservative dogma.   
 
Liberals don't have it any better, mind you.  Nobody can form a belief set that is consistent with itself.  Moral issues stick out to me because 'social conservatives' violate their fiscal conservative beliefs by upholding social conservatism. 
 
And the whole policy of conservatives supporting national defense is a big fucking mistake too.  Not because spending money on national defense is a mistake.  (I mean, it is, but that's up for debate).  It's a fucking mistake for conservatives to support this if they truly believe in small government ideas.  It's the left that should support government spending on military technology. 
 
 
fffffuck....  this just makes me mad.

@Dany: You don't have to be republican to be conservative. Most of this thread is about people being gay and republican.

@Afroman269 said:

@Dany: You don't have to be republican to be conservative. Most of this thread is about people being gay and republican.

Well those people need to realize their is a difference

They could be fiscally conservative I guess.

I've always questioned why gay people would vote for republicans.  I don't understand voting for someone who thinks you should have fewer rights than others.

Well I would say if being conservative means holding to a cogent set of ideas about government intrusion into private life, then a gay person is in a way definition-ally conservative and any conservative who thinks homosexuals should have government rules established against them in any way is also a hypocrite.    That is, so long as you want your political leanings to hold to any cogent set of ideas.  Otherwise, of course, you can be a 'social conservative' which is a fucking oxymoron, considering social conservatives want to government to spend more money enforcing social regulations, flying right in the face of all their fiscal conservative dogma.    Liberals don't have it any better, mind you.  Nobody can form a belief set that is consistent with itself.  Moral issues stick out to me because 'social conservatives' violate their fiscal conservative beliefs by upholding social conservatism.  And the whole policy of conservatives supporting national defense is a big fucking mistake too.  Not because spending money on national defense is a mistake.  (I mean, it is, but that's up for debate).  It's a fucking mistake for conservatives to support this if they truly believe in small government ideas.  It's the left that should support government spending on military technology.   fffffuck....  this just makes me mad.

Being Gay don't determine your political affiliation.

Log Cabin Republicans.

@gamefreak9 said:

So i was watching American dad the other day, and there was this episode about his gay neighbors being conservative and i wondered if there is such a thing. I think it would be pretty cool cause you going after your beliefs even if they are not to your benefit, the ultimate test of political passion(there's other ways too). So yeah i know about 20-30 gay people and they are pretty much all liberals, just curious on if you guys ever met one, or other types of people who support groups that don't support their life CHOICE(aka not black people supporting obama).

PROP 8 - it was voted out by Gay Conservatives. I'm not even American and I know that much.

If you consider yourself gay and you are conservative, I would recommend voting for Ron Paul.

@Pinworm45:   I suspect you might be ill-informed to some degree.  First, it isn't just homosexuals who want equality in marriage. I'm a man with an unimpeachable record of strict gynosexuality, and I don't suspect that will change anytime soon; that being said, I don't want a load of zealous bigots telling me whom I may or may not marry. I should have the right to marry a bloke, regardless of my intent to exercise it.