I would go to the one in Sacramento, but I'm working. Is anyone going to a Tea Party in their area?
Glenn Beck puts the government spending into perspective, and I don't care if you don't like Beck, fact of the matter that the current economic "solution" is horrible.
Is anybody going to a Tax Day Tea Party?
Funny thing about people like Glenn Beck is that they're all fucking hypocrites when it comes to the economy and spending. The man supports more war, which take that as you want, I don't want a discussion of whether war is good or bad, but the fact is, it is one of the biggest fucking drains on the economy. So if he really wants to balance to budget and get the US economy back on the right track, it's one position he really shouldn't be too happy supporting.
Don't get me wrong the economy is in a shit state, the worlds economy that is, not just the US, but I can't stand hypocritical positions. And he seems like he's against the New World Order and banking elites and yet willingly supports their fucking foreign policy positions? Exsqueeze me? How can you be against the NWO agenda and also be a supporter of their foreign policy aims? That's like me saying I'm not a white supremacist but I'm just gonna walk along with a KKK march anyway.
"A what?"iAmJohn said:
"Obviously you think Glenn Beck's ridiculous position is so correct that it was necessary to post it thrice!!http://taxdayteaparty.com/Also, what the fuck is a Tea Party?"
Basically protests of Government spending
"That's retarded."What is?
Keyser_Soze said:
"Funny thing about people like Glenn Beck is that they're all fucking hypocrites when it comes to the economy and spending. The man supports more war, which take that as you want, I don't want a discussion of whether war is good or bad, but the fact is, it is one of the biggest fucking drains on the economy. So if he really wants to balance to budget and get the US economy back on the right track, it's one position he really shouldn't be too happy supporting.Don't get me wrong the economy is in a shit state, the worlds economy that is, not just the US, but I can't stand hypocritical positions. And he seems like he's against the New World Order and banking elites and yet willingly supports their fucking foreign policy positions? Exsqueeze me? How can you be against the NWO agenda and also be a supporter of their foreign policy aims?"I'm not going to argue for Glenn Beck, but as I said in my first post. It doesn't matter if you like Beck, he did a good job of giving a good perspective of the current spending.
Paying taxes is patriotic.
My entire political platform revolves around whither or not I am happy. So currently I work a part time, shit job and have a degree to teach high school. Me finding a teaching job would only improve my financial situation. That being said, with my current, terrible job I am 100% happy. I can buy whatever I want within reason. I have modest taste and videogames are my main hobby. When a game comes out, or a game console, I go out and buy it. Therefore I am happy.
So the taxes that come out of my check dont effect me, they dont exist. I dont care where they go and who they go too. The only money that exists in my realm are the ones in my bank account, and wallet. You will always pay taxes...get over it.
Glenn Beck is out of his mind, and the chart in that video is more than likely unadjusted for inflation, not to mention nothing on it is even sourced.
"Keyser_Soze said:I don't think you understood the inherent irony of patriotism in my post. Where once it was patriotic to pay taxes to King George it was later seen as patriotic to rebel against him. Patriotism is a flimsy thing, it changes with the seasons."Mercator said:no...""Paying taxes is patriotic. "Said King George."
"Glenn Beck is out of his mind, and the chart in that video is more than likely unadjusted for inflation, not to mention nothing on it is even sourced."So what are you saying? That the graph will look slightly better than it does in the video?
"Investment in your country will always be patriotic."Even if that money is spent on foreign banks? How very patriotic that is. Funny thing is the US has been bailing out banks which have large foreign share holders, they're effectively using your money to shore up the financial position of foreigners. LOL.
"AnimZero said:I'm saying that it's Fox News being Fox News and scaring the shit out of people on purpose and being overly dramatic. Yes, there's a lot of government spending going on because of the TARP and the stimulus, but the economy is improving now, and the companies that are improving because of it will have to pay back the funds at some point. What people don't understand about the TARP is that they're loans, and loans have to be paid back in full, plus some."Glenn Beck is out of his mind, and the chart in that video is more than likely unadjusted for inflation, not to mention nothing on it is even sourced."So what are you saying? That the graph will look slightly better than it does in the video?"
"Paying taxes is patriotic. My entire political platform revolves around whither or not I am happy. So currently I work a part time, shit job and have a degree to teach high school. Me finding a teaching job would only improve my financial situation. That being said, with my current, terrible job I am 100% happy. I can buy whatever I want within reason. I have modest taste and videogames are my main hobby. When a game comes out, or a game console, I go out and buy it. Therefore I am happy. So the taxes that come out of my check dont effect me, they dont exist. I dont care where they go and who they go too. The only money that exists in my realm are the ones in my bank account, and wallet. You will always pay taxes...get over it."This isn't a protest of paying taxes. Its a protest of paying too much taxes! The stimulus plan sent spending straight through the roof, we're going to have to pay for that. Those paychecks of yours will only shrink as time goes on.
The graphs that Al Gore used to illustrate Global Warming were propaganda...and so are these. Its all perspective.
I dont care...I honestly dont care...I have a car, can afford all my hobbies, and have seen nice places in the world. As I said getting a career will only improve my situation even if the government takes more money out.
I get by...if even 1 dollar of my entire lives taxes goes to someone who could use it...goes to promote one social program, or helps one person...it was worth it.
I have nice things.
"This isn't a protest of paying taxes. Its a protest of paying too much taxes! The stimulus plan sent spending straight through the roof, we're going to have to pay for that. Those paychecks of yours will only shrink as time goes on."Paying too much taxes despite the fact that Obama's economic plan gives the largest middle-class tax break since the creation of the Sixteenth Amendment, and that the taxation levels are no higher than they were during Clinton's administration? Yeah okay, dude.
"Mercator said:The only thing I've heard is that upper-class people with an income over $250k will have to pay something to the tune of 3% more on their income tax. I'm sure they'll be able to live with that."Paying taxes is patriotic. My entire political platform revolves around whither or not I am happy. So currently I work a part time, shit job and have a degree to teach high school. Me finding a teaching job would only improve my financial situation. That being said, with my current, terrible job I am 100% happy. I can buy whatever I want within reason. I have modest taste and videogames are my main hobby. When a game comes out, or a game console, I go out and buy it. Therefore I am happy. So the taxes that come out of my check dont effect me, they dont exist. I dont care where they go and who they go too. The only money that exists in my realm are the ones in my bank account, and wallet. You will always pay taxes...get over it."This isn't a protest of paying taxes. Its a protest of paying too much taxes! The stimulus plan sent spending straight through the roof, we're going to have to pay for that. Those paychecks of yours will only shrink as time goes on."
Glenn Beck is a fake, just like the entirety of FoxNews and all mainstream news channels. He pretends to be patriotic when he is trying to debunk everything people like Ron Paul and others brought forward. This sudden move from FoxNews and others for supporting some stuff Ron Paul was promoting is only for hijacking the real movement that started in the 90s, when the news about New World Order and stuff started coming out. Hijacking it and neutering it.
Guess what? All the mainstream news denied the New World Order and called anybody who denounced it a conspiracy theorist or lunatic, and here we are. The New World Order is a reality officially announced in the G20 meeting and you are going down. We are all going to live in a global socialist dictatorship. Is this the change you wanted when you voted on Obama?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw
http://www.infowars.com/the-new-world-order-is-taking-over-the-patriot-and-truth-movements/
While I wouldn't believe anything that Glenn Beck says without hearing a rebuttel, I'll assume that he's showing the facts as they are for half a second here. Even if that is the case, even if somehow Bush's money printing didn't surpass anything that had ever been done before, we are in the middle of a unique crisis, and it will take unique solutions to get out of it. This country needs money to get out of debt. I am going to trust my president to get me and the rest of my country out of this situation. Besides, we still haven't hit the 100 day mark yet, and the amount of criticism being heaped on him is appaling for people who just a few months ago were criticizing others for not standing behind their president.
"Glenn Beck is a fake, just like the entirety of FoxNews and all mainstream news channels. He pretends to be patriotic when he is trying to debunk everything people like Ron Paul and others brought forward. This sudden move from FoxNews and others for supporting some stuff Ron Paul was promoting is only for hijacking the real movement that started in the 90s, when the news about New World Order and stuff started coming out. Hijacking it and neutering it.Guess what? All the mainstream news denied the New World Order and called anybody who denounced it a conspiracy theorist or lunatic, and here we are. The New World Order is a reality officially announced in the G20 meeting and you are going down. We are all going to live in a global socialist dictatorship. Is this the change you wanted when you voted on Obama? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLwhttp://www.infowars.com/the-new-world-order-is-taking-over-the-patriot-and-truth-movements/"Insider jobs, always the best way to derail anything. Fuck the NWO though.
"Is this the change you wanted when you voted on Obama?Alex Jones has interesting theories, but that's all they are, theories. They make you think though. He sounds like a lunatic on his radio program, interviewing people who talk about how someone got assassinated by the Illuminati and crazy backwards shit like that. Never consider conspiracy theory videos as fact, either, because it's almost always bullshit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw
http://www.infowars.com/the-new-world-order-is-taking-over-the-patriot-and-truth-movements/"
"mikevanpwn said:Oh don't worry about the taxes, yet anyway. The US won't be cranking any taxes up until it's the system itself collapses. Raising taxes would mean political suicide at the expense of doing the right thing. Just a few days ago Obama announced his budget $1.75 Trillion deficit, which isn't going to be filled by the Chinese, Japanese or Arabian Gulf exporters. Expect that $1.75 to easily reach beyond $2 Trillion by the end of the year. It's ridiculous."This isn't a protest of paying taxes. Its a protest of paying too much taxes! The stimulus plan sent spending straight through the roof, we're going to have to pay for that. Those paychecks of yours will only shrink as time goes on."Paying too much taxes despite the fact that Obama's economic plan gives the largest middle-class tax break since the creation of the Sixteenth Amendment, and that the taxation levels are no higher than they were during Clinton's administration? Yeah okay, dude."
Simple math time:
Increasing outlays, whilst tax receipts are declining means massive budget problems. It means bankruptcy (or debt default). Millions have lost their job since September 2008, 4 million to be precise, businesses are paying less taxes because their revenues and profits have fallen. Doesn't quite add up does it.
"thiago said:"Is this the change you wanted when you voted on Obama?Alex Jones has interesting theories, but that's all they are, theories. They make you think though. He sounds like a lunatic on his radio program, interviewing people who talk about how someone got assassinated by the Illuminati and crazy backwards shit like that. Never consider conspiracy theory videos as fact, either, because it's almost always bullshit."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw
http://www.infowars.com/the-new-world-order-is-taking-over-the-patriot-and-truth-movements/"
After the New World Order was officially announced I started taking him more seriously. There's some truth to what he is saying, especially when he mentions real documents. I haven't seen any of his detractors pointing lies in the documents he cites.
"While I wouldn't believe anything that Glenn Beck says without hearing a rebuttel, I'll assume that he's showing the facts as they are for half a second here. Even if that is the case, even if somehow Bush's money printing didn't surpass anything that had ever been done before, we are in the middle of a unique crisis, and it will take unique solutions to get out of it. This country needs money to get out of debt. I am going to trust my president to get me and the rest of my country out of this situation. Besides, we still haven't hit the 100 day mark yet, and the amount of criticism being heaped on him is appaling for people who just a few months ago were criticizing others for not standing behind their president.So a trillion dollar stimulus plan and a 4 trillion dollar budget by Obama is trustworthy yet anyone who dares to oppose Obama is immediately criticized? The reason why he's gotten so much flak so far is because of his hasty, and almost reckless run into passing this stimulus bill. But really thats the Congress fault as they pushed it through so fast that no one was able to actually read the whole thing in its entirety. This country does not need money to get out of debt, its the same type of Keynsian spending that FDR tried in the depression, and there is no where in history where this sort of tactic has done any good. By the time these programs and spending get pushed through the economy will be coming out of its decline and we'll be left with a massive debt, and how are we to pay it off?People like Glenn Beck and all of the other "commentators" on Fox News give conservatives a bad name. It's kind of sad, because Beck used to be sane."
"iAmJohn said:Ignore him. In idiotic times people tend to laugh at the sane individuals. A man that calls for sane economic policies, prudent policies, a more thoughtful approach to foreign affairs is going to be laughed at in this day and age. Funniest thing of all is that Ron Paul is slowly being proven right."thiago said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv5cqh26CC0""Ron Paul"HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"
"Ignore him. In idiotic times people tend to laugh at the sane individuals. A man that calls for sane economic policies, prudent policies, a more thoughtful approach to foreign affairs is going to be laughed at in this day and age. Funniest thing of all is that Ron Paul is slowly being proven right."You're fully aware that you're talking about a man who claimed that urban areas are soon going to be warzones in the coming race wars, right?
Glenn Beck himself is equally as insane as the man from above.
"Keyser_Soze said:Please get me the relevant quotes, because I have never heard anything to do with what you've just stated about Martin Luther King jr."Ignore him. In idiotic times people tend to laugh at the sane individuals. A man that calls for sane economic policies, prudent policies, a more thoughtful approach to foreign affairs is going to be laughed at in this day and age. Funniest thing of all is that Ron Paul is slowly being proven right."You're fully aware that you're talking about a man who claimed that urban areas are soon going to be warzones in the coming race wars, right?Oh, and Martin Luther King, Jr.'s a homosexual pedophile!!"
As for the economic warzones, he is right in an aspect, although slightly exaggerated to a degree, there will be a societal fallout. You know what happens to bankrupt nations, with economic collapse, especially ones with diverse ethnic, social, cultural groups, they tend to fragment and break down. The rule of law is no longer bided by, and I have no doubt that there will be much social unrest in the US, with the US military having to do the clean up operation. And if you don't believe me you should look to recent history and battles in streets in the 1960's with race riots, KKK, Black Panthers, rallies, marches etc, it was very close to being a "war" in many cities back then for obvious reasons.
"AgentJ said:Ugh, I am NOT going to do the Keynesian arguement on this offtopic forum again. I am not at all saying that anyone that opposes Obama should be criticized, but these Fox guys are crazy for a number of other reasons, namely O'Reilly's stalking, and everyones smearing. They smear everyone from Obama to Jon Stewart to Bloggers. Like I said about Obama, he's still in his grace period in my book. I could understand if people started really getting on his case after 100 days, but honestly, Fox has been nothing but ragging on the guy from day one."While I wouldn't believe anything that Glenn Beck says without hearing a rebuttel, I'll assume that he's showing the facts as they are for half a second here. Even if that is the case, even if somehow Bush's money printing didn't surpass anything that had ever been done before, we are in the middle of a unique crisis, and it will take unique solutions to get out of it. This country needs money to get out of debt. I am going to trust my president to get me and the rest of my country out of this situation. Besides, we still haven't hit the 100 day mark yet, and the amount of criticism being heaped on him is appaling for people who just a few months ago were criticizing others for not standing behind their president.So a trillion dollar stimulus plan and a 4 trillion dollar budget by Obama is trustworthy yet anyone who dares to oppose Obama is immediately criticized? The reason why he's gotten so much flak so far is because of his hasty, and almost reckless run into passing this stimulus bill. But really thats the Congress fault as they pushed it through so fast that no one was able to actually read the whole thing in its entirety. This country does not need money to get out of debt, its the same type of Keynsian spending that FDR tried in the depression, and there is no where in history where this sort of tactic has done any good. By the time these programs and spending get pushed through the economy will be coming out of its decline and we'll be left with a massive debt, and how are we to pay it off?"People like Glenn Beck and all of the other "commentators" on Fox News give conservatives a bad name. It's kind of sad, because Beck used to be sane."
Oh here's the Martin Luther King jr comments:
It was a newsletter NOT written by Ron Paul, but one merely carrying his name on it, one which he even said he did not actually read.
To Quote Ron Paul:
"When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit," Paul said in a statement issued by his campaign on Jan. 8. "Several writers contributed to the product.
"For over a decade, I have publicly taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name," he continued.
And judging by what the man actually does say and do, walk the walk so to speak, all is forgiven Ron, we all make mistakes. NEXT.
"Keyser_Soze said:To Quote Ron Paul:"Please get me the relevant quotes, because I have never heard anything to do with what you've just stated about Martin Luther King jr."http://www.tnr.com/downloads/december1990.pdf under the section entitled "Dr. King.""
"When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit," Paul said in a statement issued by his campaign on Jan. 8. "Several writers contributed to the product.
"For over a decade, I have publicly taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name," he continued.
In his Jan. 8 statement, Paul denounced his comments about King as "small-minded thoughts" and said he "never uttered such words."
"In fact, I have always agreed with Martin Luther King, Jr. that we should only be concerned with the content of a person's character, not the color of their skin," he said in the Jan. 8 statement. "As I stated on the floor of the U.S. House on April 20, 1999: ‘I rise in great respect for the courage and high ideals of Rosa Parks who stood steadfastly for the rights of individuals against unjust laws and oppressive governmental policies.'"
"Keyser_Soze said:Need I point out that there is no such thing as a "Homosexual pedophile"? Need I also point out that said warzones have been (/Lately) sprung up with all of these racist, scared, gun nuts afraid of:"Ignore him. In idiotic times people tend to laugh at the sane individuals. A man that calls for sane economic policies, prudent policies, a more thoughtful approach to foreign affairs is going to be laughed at in this day and age. Funniest thing of all is that Ron Paul is slowly being proven right."You're fully aware that you're talking about a man who claimed that urban areas are soon going to be warzones in the coming race wars, right?Oh, and Martin Luther King, Jr.'s a homosexual pedophile!!"
"TEH EVIL OBAMA BLACK PANTHER ARMY WHO WILL TAKE MY GUNS AWAY, AYERS ACORN, TELEPROMTORZ!!!"
Seen lately with the consistently similar shootings.
"mikevanpwn said:Am I Fox News right here? No! Its fine to say he has a grace period, but his actions should bring concern to anyone who enjoys capitalism. But as I was saying, this amount of spending isn't healthy and its never been proven to do anything."AgentJ said:Ugh, I am NOT going to do the Keynesian arguement on this offtopic forum again. I am not at all saying that anyone that opposes Obama should be criticized, but these Fox guys are crazy for a number of other reasons, namely O'Reilly's stalking, and everyones smearing. They smear everyone from Obama to Jon Stewart to Bloggers. Like I said about Obama, he's still in his grace period in my book. I could understand if people started really getting on his case after 100 days, but honestly, Fox has been nothing but ragging on the guy from day one.""While I wouldn't believe anything that Glenn Beck says without hearing a rebuttel, I'll assume that he's showing the facts as they are for half a second here. Even if that is the case, even if somehow Bush's money printing didn't surpass anything that had ever been done before, we are in the middle of a unique crisis, and it will take unique solutions to get out of it. This country needs money to get out of debt. I am going to trust my president to get me and the rest of my country out of this situation. Besides, we still haven't hit the 100 day mark yet, and the amount of criticism being heaped on him is appaling for people who just a few months ago were criticizing others for not standing behind their president.So a trillion dollar stimulus plan and a 4 trillion dollar budget by Obama is trustworthy yet anyone who dares to oppose Obama is immediately criticized? The reason why he's gotten so much flak so far is because of his hasty, and almost reckless run into passing this stimulus bill. But really thats the Congress fault as they pushed it through so fast that no one was able to actually read the whole thing in its entirety. This country does not need money to get out of debt, its the same type of Keynsian spending that FDR tried in the depression, and there is no where in history where this sort of tactic has done any good. By the time these programs and spending get pushed through the economy will be coming out of its decline and we'll be left with a massive debt, and how are we to pay it off?"People like Glenn Beck and all of the other "commentators" on Fox News give conservatives a bad name. It's kind of sad, because Beck used to be sane."
"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises ... After eight years of this Administration, we have just as much unemployment as when we started. ... And an enormous debt to boot!" — Henry Morgenthau, Franklin Delano Roosevelt's Treasury secretary
should bring a concern to anyone who enjoys capitalism? Do you honestly believe all of this shit about him trying to turn America into Europe and adopting a worldwide currency and junk? Ill make a correction to my previous statement: Those commentators on fox news AND the people who listen to them give conservatives a bad name. I will give them some credit though: they can be very persuasive with their threats of annihlation and doomsday
"should bring a concern to anyone who enjoys capitalism? Do you honestly believe all of this shit about him trying to turn America into Europe and adopting a worldwide currency and junk? Ill make a correction to my previous statement: Those commentators on fox news AND the people who listen to them give conservatives a bad name. I will give them some credit though: they can be very persuasive with their threats of annihlation and doomsday"Funny fact. The US now has a more managed economy that China. No really, it does, what with the bailouts and buying shares in national companies, industries like the auto-manufacturing sector needing government injections. Another funny fact it's actually easier to set up a new business in China, Korea etc than it is in the US what with regulation and red tape. Who's becoming more capitalist and who's becoming more statist?
"should bring a concern to anyone who enjoys capitalism? Do you honestly believe all of this shit about him trying to turn America into Europe and adopting a worldwide currency and junk? Ill make a correction to my previous statement: Those commentators on fox news AND the people who listen to them give conservatives a bad name. I will give them some credit though: they can be very persuasive with their threats of annihlation and doomsday"FOX News does lean right, so this makes them liars and conspiracy theorists?
I dont know, the writing seems to be on the wall. Government provides bailout money to auto industry, shortly there after, Obama asks GM CEO to step down, which he does. Now, Obama tells GM to prepare to file for bankruptcy by June 1. Since when does the government get to involve themselves in business? Oh yeah thats right, ever since they've sunk money into the auto industry, the stimulus plan is only going to spread that sort of control. Thats why Ford pulled out, they didnt want to deal with the government dictating their company.
And yes, I do watch FOX News, but you dont have to go to Fox to get these ideas. I recommend you read a fantastic book, Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman, the first two chapters are especially informative and very relevant to todays issues. I encourage everyone to read it.
Oh Lord. Now with the conspiracy theories and Alex Jones.
Personally, I think this sort of lunacy only weakens the credibility of valid problems in society. It goes in all directions.
Be grounded and logical and don't take up with the loonies and you'll be more credible. It doesn't matter what you believe is write in government or economy or morals, all views are weakened whenever this sort of hyperbole, fear mongering and craziness crops up.
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