Students + Piracy = Ok?

I have a Viasat Gold TV subscription, with channels showing dexter, house M.D. etc, most of the popular shows these days.
 
But i still download these shows instead of watching them on my tv. Do you consider this piracy? After all, i still pay to see these programs.

" @one_2nd said:

" @Fish_Face_McGee said:

" @one_2nd: But he is losing.  He is losing compensation for creating the work. "

But you're assuming that they'd actually buy it.  "

No. I'm assuming that someone has created content with the expectation that he or she would be paid for it.  If someone accesses that content without paying the creator, that person has done wrong.   The fact that this person possesses that content without paying for it means that the creator did not get the compensation that he or she expected.  This means that the creator is losing the compensation.    Intent does not matter.  If you possess the creation without paying the creator, you have deprived him or her.  Before someone brings up "What if someone gives me software as a gift?", let me say that there is a difference between one person buying a piece of software and giving it to one person and one person buying a piece of software and giving it to the world. "

"you're completely wrong. It would be more like if they took a picture of his art, and hung that up. if they punched him in the face and took his art he'd losing."

FUCK NO!! U GOTTA PAY LIKE ME N MAH FAM!! WE WORK HARD FOR OUR MONEY AND SCUMBAGS LIKE U MAKES ME LOSE FAITH IN MANKIND!! 
 
TO THE SHELTER!!

It's not OK, but guess what? It doesn't need to be. If you want to pirate something, just do it.

It's not stealing. You're getting things for free, but you aren't taking something from another person. When you mug somebody or rob a store, people are losing what you take. When you pirate something off the Internet, nobody is losing anything. Maybe potential monies, but that's only if you planned on paying for the game before downloading it. For most pirates, pirating the game is the only way they would play the game, and so the developers don't lose or gain anything either way. It's like commensalism.    

As far as I'm concerned, someone with little to no money was never going to buy the product in the first place. 
Throughout my  childhood I only bought games I was looking forward to and pirated the rest. Since I hit my teen years and a got a job, my legit game collection is probably more than 100 times larger than the average persons. So I certainly have given back to the game companies. Not that I ever was a detriment to their sales, since a 6 year old with no money couldn't possibly afford a game anyways.
If game companies want to deny poor people, children, and russians from playing their games, then maybe they should:
1. Make every game an MMO. I dunno anyone who pirates guild wars or similar products.
2. Put games back on Cartridges. What average jerkoff is going to go through the trouble?

Why are people in this thread defending piracy? 
 
Would you defend murder or Anti-Trust laws?   
 
It's copyrights...and the stealing of copyrights.

I think a better analogy would be if you have a device that is given to everyone with a computer and internet access, that is capable of creating a complete physical copy of something from nothing.  You can create copy's of things like sticks of gum., because you don't place much value in it. Or 'one of' artistic things like paints which you would feel guilty about not supporting if you liked that particular creator(at least in my case).
 
This is better as it differentiates between stealing something from a store that they paid for in hopes to turn a profit reselling (or something they themselves manufactured to sell). and copying something you otherwise wouldn't attain but are not depriving paying customers from buying. Now you can say that you have no right to get something that someone made with the intention to sell regardless of weither or not you intent to buy it, or are not capable of paying for it. you can say whatever at this and argue morality or how we differentiate between the value of manufacturing something and taking it and getting a team of coders to work many hours producing(coding w/e) software. They worked hard to make it and your not taking their product from a store or from their bandwidth. This i think is the reality of the argument and is a more accurate image. 

"@KaosAngel:   They're defending piracy because, for some reason, they find nothing wrong morally with it.  "

" Why are people in this thread defending piracy?  Would you defend murder or Anti-Trust laws?    It's copyrights...and the stealing of copyrights. "

It is still an object that has value regardless of whether it is in bits or not.
It is not acceptable either way. The point is to get money to afford goods and the reason you are a student is to obtain skills to get a job.

" It is still an object that has value regardless of whether it is in bits or not. It is not acceptable either way. The point is to get money to afford goods and the reason you are a student is to obtain skills to get a job. "

" @LordXavierBritish: Says the people who create their work. Why should their work that they worked hard to make be 'stolen' for free just because somebody cannot afford it. The satisfaction of buying with hard earned money is better then stealing something and it having no value. "

" So, is it acceptable for students to pirate software, music, tv shows, movies etc.? The obvious argument I can see is that students have little to no income and thus can't afford to pay for everything. The general argument for piracy (some things just aren't worth the price) might also apply, but the big ringer is the fact that piracy is stealing period (right?). "

" @LordXavierBritish: The fact of the matter is, if you have not paid for the content you have no right to posses it.  That's what most of this comes down to, an enittlement complex that so many people seem to have these days.  The fact that you haven't paid means you haven't done anything to deserve the content you're using.  "

...if this was GAF half the users in this thread would've been banned by now.  Stealing is stealing.

" @LordXavierBritish: Oh, so because "a lot of people" do it, it makes it ok?  Seriously, a bandwagon defense?  Your entitlement isn't bound to your birth right.  No one's entitlement is.  However, your defense "when I have the tools to alter that state" makes the "you wouldn't steal a car" argument more and more reasonable.  Your argument supports the idea that someone who can steal a car has the right to own any car he or she sees.  Do you agree with that idea? If not, I would like to understand how your defense does not support the idea that thieves have the right to any object they want. "

Yar Har Fiddle dee dee being a Pirate is alright with me, do what you want cuz a pirate is free, You Are a Pirate!!!

 
I always pirate shit.Movies,and games.Even though i mostly buy my games.But i always pirate my movies and music. 
 
Arrrrgh!!! 
 
That was my pirate typing noise.Did you figure that out?

Good enough argument for me. Anybody whoever disagrees is clearly a Communist. 

No, and im a student.

Piracy isn't even an option at my college, the internet they have requires you to download a watchdog program that boots you out if you try to pirate.

I would never consider stealing games, or movies. But TV Shows and Music? 
 
With how music is being handled on youtube (c'mon it's ALL ON THERE) I wouldn't consider any kind of torrent piracy anymore. If you respect the act enough, buy their records. interesting note: Muscians don't make majority of their money on record sales, they make it from doing live performances. 
 
At first you could see why they were mad at piracy, but it's almost literally freed them from the record company grip (unless you're bubble gum pop acts like just'a'beiberberbere and shit like that). I think musicians are more concerned with their live performances being broadcast on youtube than they are their studio recordings. 
 
Now, a lot more acts are releasing their own torrents and trying to get their name out their in better avenues than MTV. Hoping the music journalist websites and magazines pick up on their stuff. of course if they're already famous, they don't even need much coverage, but get it anyways. 
 
Point being, don't give money to the record companies. They need to burn in hell. 
You want to support an act? Go see them live. 
THAT'S HOW MUSIC IS SUPPOSED TO BE TAKEN IN. 
Experiencing a live music performance does a lot more for a person than listening to their record ever could.
 
And with TV shows, they are broadcast on TV (duh) and I don't watch or pay for cable. However, I can always go to a friends house and watch it for free.  Am I a pirate because of this?

I believe in giving my money to something that deserves money, that is where I encourage downloading however that is only for evaluation purposes. If you think the creators should be rewarded give them some money, people like to eat and earn money for their hard work. 

What I don't like is people downloading for the sake of downloading, just downloading music 'because they can' and they never give any money to the act. 

However with the case of TV shows I believe downloading them is fair because living in Australia my favourite TV shows come out months or a year after their original broadcast. I  cannot justify waiting to watch my favourite TV show when I could watch it nearly exactly the same time as the original broadcast. 

That is my 2 cents on the matter.

" @Rebirth1337 said:

" Who cares. "

I agree. "

Just do what I do and find ways to make yourself feel better about what you're doing. For instance: "Damn, I just stole Cypress Hill's new album. But hey! I just spent $60 to go see them live, and I'll buy a T-Shirt when I'm there!"

" @LordXavierBritish: Yep. Once again, I'm not debating the concept of owning software since no one owns it through purchasing it. "