#1 Posted by ZanzibarBreeze (3071 posts) -

I hate to be one of those people that starts a million threads a day, but I'm wondering what you guyzes think about the letter Z, correctly pronounced Zee. I understand the historical reason for pronouncing it "Zed" - it comes from the Greek, et cetera. But I don't know of any instance in a word in the English language where you would pronounce the letter Z as Zed. You don't say Zed-bra, for example, you say Zee-bra. You don't say zed-alous, either. 
 
I've done a quick mental run-through of the alphabet, and for every other letter there's a equal pronunciation of letter in word. For example - C: cinnamon, cest, cesspool. There are some fluky ones like M, but nothing as big as the disparity between how the letter Zee is pronounced in words and how it is said.

#2 Posted by GreggD (4505 posts) -

I don't trust your assumptions, as you're a xenophobe. How do I know this? You posted a very dumb remark in the foreign music thread.

#3 Posted by Sprites (11 posts) -

Because I am a unique snowflake.

#4 Posted by punkxblaze (2985 posts) -

English English came before we (America, et al) came along and made it a "zee". Language is not retroactive, Zed is the 'proper' way to pronounce it. Just like Nuclear is noo-clear, not noo-kyoo-lar.

#5 Posted by fwylo (3556 posts) -

Correctly pronounced Zee


 What makes that correct?  You say Zeebra, not because you pronounce Z like Zee, but because that is how you spell the word.  You don't say zee-alous either.
 
I say Zed because that's how I learned to say it, and if it is like that because of the roots of where it came from, then that would probably be the correct way of saying it...
#6 Edited by ZanzibarBreeze (3071 posts) -
@GreggD: I like how you took that joke seriously. :)
 
@punkxblaze: I've never heard anybody say noo-clear. Noo-klee-er is what most people say, and is accepted as the correct pronunciation. Only Kiefer Sutherland says noo-kyoo-lar (if you watch 24, you'll know that for some reason he went from saying noo-klee-er in season 2 through to 5, and then he started saying noo-kyoo-lar).
 
I remember a British friend who once said Dragon Ball Zed. Needless to say, he learned from his mistake. I've heard everyone refer to it as the 350 Zee, too (for the Nissan 350Z, of course). Never heard of the Nissan 350 Zed, although, again, I've heard from some people that that's how the Japanese intended it to be said. Can't find any evidence pertaining to that though so I think that might be fabricated.
 
Whatever, duders. This wasn't meant as an attack on anybody or their culture, by the way. Just an interesting observation. Just wondering why; for me there's such a large difference between the British pronunciation of the letter and the way it's implemented in words that it seems a little strange.
#7 Posted by Elazul (1327 posts) -

This topic makes absolutely no sense. For example, no words that begin with the letter X are pronounced with an "ex" sound. Please, think things through before randomly creating topics about them.

#8 Posted by BrickRoad (702 posts) -

The name of the letter is Zed. Just like Y is Why. You dont say Whyellow. Zed is the correct name for that letter if you speak British English (and therefore 'actual English' BOOM!)

#9 Posted by DarkFury (369 posts) -

What's with these pronunciation threads you're making? You in the right place? Its 'Zed'.

#10 Posted by Tactical_Kill (1695 posts) -

I pronounce it "zee" so I have no clue. I just figured it was different dialects and didn't give much thought to it.

#11 Posted by LiquidPrince (15949 posts) -
@BrickRoad said:
" The name of the letter is Zed. Just like Y is Why. You dont say Whyellow. Zed is the correct name for that letter if you speak British English (and therefore 'actual English' BOOM!) "
Exactly. Thank you, because I was just about to post the same thing.
#12 Posted by punkxblaze (2985 posts) -

Also, Zebra is pronounced "zeh-bra" in some places, in fact. Zing.

#13 Posted by CrimsonDawn (21 posts) -

I'm just wondering how someone can actually pronounce nuclear "noo-kyoo-lar". I don't understand where anyone ever got that "kyoo" sound from.

#14 Edited by FreakAche (2953 posts) -

It's pronounced 'zed'. 'Zee' sounds too much like 'C'.
 
Edit: Also, I'm Canadian, and there's this weird stigma over pronouncing it 'zee' up here. I'm not really sure why.

#15 Posted by ViciousReiven (821 posts) -

The reason we have new English is because old English was inferior.

#16 Posted by I_smell (3924 posts) -
@ZanzibarBreeze said:
" I've done a quick mental run-through of the alphabet, and for every other letter there's a equal pronunciation of letter in word. For example - C: cinnamon, cest, cesspool. There are some fluky ones like M, but nothing as big as the disparity between how the letter Zee is pronounced in words and how it is said. "
Ey Bee Sea Dee Ee Ef Jee, what the hell are you talking about? This is both crazy and wrong.
Also the villain in later episodes of The Mighty Morphin Power Rangers was called Lord Zed and he had a big Z on him, so we are left to assume that that is how you pronounce it.
#17 Posted by alternate (2707 posts) -

 the letter Z, correctly pronounced Zee
 
 But I don't know of any instance in a word in the English language where you would pronounce the letter Z as Zed. You don't say Zed-bra, for example


 You make a of assumptions, so I am not going to just assume you are another insular american, likely as that seems.  FYI - Zebra is Zed-bra in English.  Zee-bra in American-English. 
 
Anyway there are so few words when the "Z" is pronounced as either ZEE or ZED.  Zealot, Zoology, Zeitgeist, Zero, etc.
#18 Posted by TMThomsen (2074 posts) -

It's pronounced as "Zed" in my native language, Danish, as well.

#19 Posted by Ubiquitous (571 posts) -

@ZanzibarBreeze: 
 
No one I have ever met has ever pronounced the letter Z as zed, thats crazytalk. But not as crazy as you Zed-an-Zed-ibarBreeze.
 

#20 Posted by uniform (1835 posts) -

 Zed's dead, baby, Zed's dead.

#21 Edited by ZanzibarBreeze (3071 posts) -
@I_smell said:

Ey Bee Sea Dee Ee Ef Jee, what the hell are you talking about? This is both crazy and wrong. "

I didn't mean all the time, man. I meant that there's at least some words where both line up. Find me a legitimate word in the English language where the Z is said as Zed. That's what I meant. There might be one, I don't know. I spent about a minute looking on Dictionary.com. Couldn't find one. :)
#22 Posted by Kiemoe (1055 posts) -

Zed's dead, baby. Zed's dead.

#23 Edited by ZeForgotten (10397 posts) -

Because even when it's not being said in the right english way, it's still Zed. 
I'm in Denmark, that's in Europe. 
But some people out there in your nation don't have maps, so you don't even know where America is.. 
So I guess I'm giving you the xenophobe answer you would have given :D 
 
 
Americunts

#24 Posted by Alexander (1721 posts) -

This is a troll thread right?

#25 Posted by Djstyles92 (952 posts) -

it's pronounce "zee".  Zed sounds so wrong

#26 Edited by Jimbo (9813 posts) -

How do you pronounce "W" ?  Exactly.  And for what it's worth, I would use 'zeh-bra' as singular and 'zee-bra' as plural.  I wouldn't say 'zebras'.
 
Also, whose motorcycle is this?
 
Edit:  Beaten to Pulp Fiction twice!

#27 Posted by BrickRoad (702 posts) -
@ViciousReiven: The reason for new English is 'cos it's easier, not because British English is inferior.
#28 Posted by Bubahula (2197 posts) -

cause i am cool like that.

#29 Posted by riffingt0n (157 posts) -

Zed sounds way cooler.
 
I say 'zee' but I like a letter that's not afraid to start AND end in a consonant sound.  Seems right for the last letter in the alphabet to have that property.
 
Also, using "I've never heard anyone say it" as a reason just makes you come across as an insular idiot.

#30 Posted by WitchHunter_Z (882 posts) -

Z isn't pronouced 'Zee' by an English speaker in most words, it's more of a 'Zeh' or 'Zuh' like 'Zeh-bra' or 'Zuh-hone'.
 
Americans just butchered it into 'Zee', at least the Canadians are cool enough to pronounce it properly.

#31 Posted by Whisperkill (2969 posts) -
@Sprites said:
" Because I am a unique snowflake. "
You are not special. You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You are the same decaying, organic matter as anything else.
#32 Posted by Meptron (1079 posts) -

Actually ZanzibarBreeze, in Canada we do say "zed-bra", much like "zed-ro", as I indicated in the previous thread.

#33 Edited by MarkWahlberg (4605 posts) -

What the fuck. I've never heard of anyone seriously using Zed instead of Z. I know about Uk-American differences and all, like gaol and SHEdule and all that.  I mean, I've heard some non-UK douchebags say Zed before, but I thought they were just being douchy. And according to Wikipedia, you can say 'izzard' too.  Anyways, 'Zee' apparently started in the 17th century, so it's legit.
 
This reminds me of something I've never been able to figure out: Who the fuck  actually says 'tomahto'?

#34 Posted by GreggD (4505 posts) -
@ZanzibarBreeze: Your avatar doesn't help to sway my opinion, I'll have you know.
#35 Posted by ZanzibarBreeze (3071 posts) -
#36 Edited by GreggD (4505 posts) -
@ZanzibarBreeze: Well, he is Canadian.

@MarkWahlberg said:

" What the fuck. I've never heard of anyone seriously using Zed instead of Z. I know about Uk-American differences and all, like gaol and SHEdule and all that.  I mean, I've heard some non-UK douchebags say Zed before, but I thought they were just being douchy. And according to Wikipedia, you can say 'izzard' too.  Anyways, 'Zee' apparently started in the 17th century, so it's legit. This reminds me of something I've never been able to figure out: Who the fuck  actually says 'tomahto'? "

"Zed X Spectrum" is the only proper way to say that, and I'd love to see you disagree.
#37 Posted by mshaw006 (550 posts) -

The pronunciation of all consonants is made up of the letter's sound and an arbitrary vowel that makes it pronounceable, except for H, Q, W, Y. The Brits have Z also. It just makes less sense than the American way, which follows more closely to a universal pattern.

#38 Posted by mrfizzy (1529 posts) -
@ZanzibarBreeze said:
" I hate to be one of those people that starts a million threads a day, but I'm wondering what you guyzes think about the letter Z, correctly pronounced Zee. I understand the historical reason for pronouncing it "Zed" - it comes from the Greek, et cetera. But I don't know of any instance in a word in the English language where you would pronounce the letter Z as Zed. You don't say Zed-bra, for example, you say Zee-bra. You don't say zed-alous, either.   I've done a quick mental run-through of the alphabet, and for every other letter there's a equal pronunciation of letter in word. For example - C: cinnamon, cest, cesspool. There are some fluky ones like M, but nothing as big as the disparity between how the letter Zee is pronounced in words and how it is said. "
I say Zed because in Australian and we speak the Kings English, also known as British English or English English. You have an argument if your talking about Americans i guess, but in a large majority of the world it is pronounced Zed not Zee. And just so you know, we dont say Zee-bra, we say Zeb-bra.  
#39 Posted by SonicFire (821 posts) -

Uh, there are different dialects in English, and in the Queen's English, it's "zed," and Americans say "zee" 

#40 Posted by Tennmuerti (8104 posts) -

Language old or new American or British is irrelevant.
This game has always been called Zed
As a gamer first and foremost this is what make the most sense to me!

#41 Posted by CandleJakk (766 posts) -

I don't say 'Zee-bra'. In Britain it's pronounced 'Zeh-bra'.

#42 Posted by cap123 (2477 posts) -
@alternate:  um, it's just zeb-ra, not zed-bra in england..?
 
right????
#43 Posted by Bones8677 (3243 posts) -

I find it more odd that Brits try so hard not to pronounce R's yet shoehorn the sound into every other word that doesn't have an R in it. Idea is prounced "I-deer," and so on.  
 
 
 
I'm just joking around guys. ^.^  

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#44 Posted by Rinkalicous (1340 posts) -
@GreggD said:
" @ZanzibarBreeze: Well, he is Canadian.

@MarkWahlberg said:

" What the fuck. I've never heard of anyone seriously using Zed instead of Z. I know about Uk-American differences and all, like gaol and SHEdule and all that.  I mean, I've heard some non-UK douchebags say Zed before, but I thought they were just being douchy. And according to Wikipedia, you can say 'izzard' too.  Anyways, 'Zee' apparently started in the 17th century, so it's legit. This reminds me of something I've never been able to figure out: Who the fuck  actually says 'tomahto'? "

"Zed X Spectrum" is the only proper way to say that, and I'd love to see you disagree. "
Checkmate!
#45 Posted by MarkWahlberg (4605 posts) -

OH SHIT I JUST REALIZED WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. NON AMERICAN'S DON'T HAVE THE MOTHERFUCKING SONG! WE NEED TO SAY 'ZEE' FOR THE SONG TO WORK! 
 
I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS IN CASE YOU DIDN'T NOTICE.

#46 Posted by Daniel_Newton (1166 posts) -
@ZanzibarBreeze said:
" You don't say Zed-bra, for example, you say Zee-bra. "
Actually brits say Ze-bra, not Zed-bra or Zee-bra. Imagine saying Zed without the d on the end. It's a short 'eh' sound rather than a longer 'ee' sound.
Also the letter "Zed" sounds cooler than the letter "Zee", Zee sounds like it's younger brother or something.
 
Despite all that though, I would never say "Dragon Ball Zed"... that's just wrong. I always remember watching british cartoon network as a kid and hearing some guy say "Coming up next, Dragon Ball Zed" -_-
#47 Edited by I_smell (3924 posts) -
@ZanzibarBreeze said:

" @I_smell said:

Ey Bee Sea Dee Ee Ef Jee, what the hell are you talking about? This is both crazy and wrong. "

I didn't mean all the time, man. I meant that there's at least some words where both line up. Find me a legitimate word in the English language where the Z is said as Zed. That's what I meant. There might be one, I don't know. I spent about a minute looking on Dictionary.com. Couldn't find one. :) "
Zebra, Zen, Zest, Zedoary and Zephyr
#48 Edited by cap123 (2477 posts) -
@MarkWahlberg:  if you're talking about the alphabet song we still do that, it just ends in Zed
#49 Posted by takua108 (1479 posts) -

When I hear "zed," all that comes to mind is:

Ed: Are there any zombies out there? 
Shaun: Don't say that! 
Ed: What? 
Shaun: That. 
Ed: What? 
Shaun: That. The zed-word. Don't say it. 
Ed: Why not? 
Shaun: Because it's ridiculous! 
Ed: Alright...Are there any out there, though? 
Shaun: Don't see any... Maybe it's not as bad as all that. Oh! Nope, there they are.

#50 Posted by CandleJakk (766 posts) -
@Newten said:
" @ZanzibarBreeze said:
" You don't say Zed-bra, for example, you say Zee-bra. "
Actually brits say Ze-bra, not Zed-bra or Zee-bra. Imagine saying Zed without the d on the end. It's a short 'eh' sound rather than a longer 'ee' sound. Also the letter "Zed" sounds cooler than the letter "Zee", Zee sounds like it's younger brother or something.  Despite all that though, I would never say "Dragon Ball Zed"... that's just wrong. I always remember watching british cartoon network as a kid and hearing some guy say "Coming up next, Dragon Ball Zed" -_- "
It's a different rule though, if it's a brand name or pronoun, so Drangon Ball Z, would be 'zee', just like the ZX Spectrum, as pointed out above (i hope) is pronounce Zed-X in America.