Why the disconect between gamers and critics.

#1 Posted by General_Mapache (14 posts) -

At the time of release critics were giving GTA IV 5/5 and 10/10, praising especially the down to earth gritty story, believable and troubled characters and Liberty city it's self which was great satire of modern society. The reaction from gamers has been much more mixed especially on my thread on the GTA V forum, where most gamers are condeming the serious tone and labeling it boring. This is drawing me ever closer to the sad conclusion that while critics want gaming to progress and become something truly astounding there is at least a substantial portion of gamers that just want gaming to remain locked in a world of male adolescent stupidity.

#2 Posted by Dallas_Raines (2130 posts) -

You might want to prepare for an incoming shitstorm, sir.

#3 Edited by IAmNotBatman (625 posts) -

I'm not a critic and I think GTA4 deserved the scores it got. I probably put more hours into it than any other GTA... Alot of critics find story to be an incredibly important aspect of media and many "gamers" are in it for "fun" so maybe that has something to do with it?

#4 Posted by MideonNViscera (2257 posts) -

It's because you never really caught onto how lacking it was until you'd put some pretty serious time into it. Also, you would have had to put equal time into the other GTAs to notice it.

#5 Posted by xaLieNxGrEyx (2605 posts) -

GTA4 is a great game. I don't ever want to play it, and only ever enjoyed 3, but I don't think anyone would say it's unworthy of praise.

GTA fans only commented on lack of features introduced in past games like jets and what not (feel free to elaborate). It was never panned as a bad game.

I don't feel people saying it deserved a 9 or 9.5 instead of 10/10 is disconnect between reviewers and the average gamer. All I know is MGS4 came out shortly after and that's the 10/10 I was waiting for.

#6 Posted by Doctorchimp (4067 posts) -

@General_Mapache said:

At the time of release critics were giving GTA IV 5/5 and 10/10, praising especially the down to earth gritty story, believable and troubled characters and Liberty city it's self which was great satire of modern society. The reaction from gamers has been much more mixed especially on my thread on the GTA V forum, where most gamers are condeming the serious tone and labeling it boring. This is drawing me ever closer to the sad conclusion that while critics want gaming to progress and become something truly astounding there is at least a substantial portion of gamers that just want gaming to remain locked in a world of male adolescent stupidity.

It rubbed a portion of people that were looking for the next san andreas the wrong way. That's it. I personally really loved it. The shooting, the physics, the world felt real to me. It was the first time it felt like the 360 was truly next-gen.

Lets let this one go people.

#7 Posted by Zippedbinders (983 posts) -

I didn't mind the story, however, I hated the overall flow of the game. Particularly the nonexistence of reasonable checkpoints during missions and the constant chattering of your cellphone from people I honestly didn't care about. The core game design philosophy felt flawed for this generation, not the story telling.

Its from this that I've gleamed that a Rockstar game is probably good if it isn't made by Rockstar North.

#8 Posted by Hockeymask27 (3683 posts) -

I enjoyed it. That's all that matters.

#9 Posted by 9cupsoftea (652 posts) -

@General_Mapache said:

At the time of release critics were giving GTA IV 5/5 and 10/10, praising especially the down to earth gritty story, believable and troubled characters and Liberty city it's self which was great satire of modern society. The reaction from gamers has been much more mixed especially on my thread on the GTA V forum, where most gamers are condeming the serious tone and labeling it boring. This is drawing me ever closer to the sad conclusion that while critics want gaming to progress and become something truly astounding there is at least a substantial portion of gamers that just want gaming to remain locked in a world of male adolescent stupidity.

I think it was the complete opposite. Most gamers who disliked the game I think felt like the 'serious tone' of GTA IV was actually extremely weak, not informed at all by the gameplay, and lacked a lot of narrative cohesion. It seemed that critics were taken in by the superficial nature, whereas gamers just weren't so easily fooled. I think a better example of disconnect are games like Alpha Protocol and Nier, which have big cult followings and got a lot of positive reactions from gamers, whilst critics ignored, dismissed, or gave mediocre, ill-informed reviews.

It's not the critics who are asking for games to go beyond shooting as primary mechanics, it's gamers. It's not critics who are touting games which have innovation but poor graphics, it's gamers. And it's not critics who are cynical about sequelitis, no new IPs, and cop-outs (ME3), it's gamers.

#10 Posted by DystopiaX (5291 posts) -

If by that you mean there's a minority on the internet who'll hate on anything, then yes. There are a lot more fans than critics, so proportionally there are going to be a lot more people who hate it.

I have yet to meet a gamer IRL who hates on GTA IV. Although some do think that SA was better that doesn't translate to IV being terrible.

#11 Posted by benspyda (2014 posts) -

I very much enjoyed it but I can't say it is one of my favorite games. The story and characters were well done, as they always are in Rockstar games, but it was a bit long winded and the gameplay was kinda awkward.

Also calling people who disagree with you stupid and adolescent is you know, pretty stupid and adolescent.

#12 Posted by SlightConfuse (3963 posts) -

i had a really good time with gta 4 and the expansions so im hyped for gta 5.

#13 Posted by BlatantNinja23 (930 posts) -

There were a lot of critics that months later said they maybe had over rated it or they just didn't like it as much as they used to.

#14 Posted by Cincaid (2953 posts) -

Just because you and a swarm of angry internet forum posters didn't like GTAIV doesn't mean the other 22 million who bought it didn't.

#15 Posted by iAmJohn (6107 posts) -

@Cincaid said:

Just because you and a swarm of angry internet forum posters didn't like GTAIV doesn't mean the other 22 million who bought it didn't.

#16 Posted by ExplodeMode (852 posts) -

I think it's great, but when you spend 50 hours doing something it's easier to remember why you are currently bored rather than why you liked it in the first place.  I don't think it's a dissonance between critics and the audience, but a between the past and present.
 
Sure people will line up to talk about why they don't like a popular thing, but did anyone dislike GTA4 on day one?

#17 Posted by DrShilliams (86 posts) -

I'll take the word of a critic over the raving mob any day of the week.

#18 Posted by Tylea002 (2295 posts) -

GTA IV was fucking amazing.

It did not age well.

#19 Posted by devilzrule27 (1239 posts) -

@IAmNotBatman said:

I'm not a critic and I think GTA4 deserved the scores it got. I probably put more hours into it than any other GTA... Alot of critics find story to be an incredibly important aspect of media and many "gamers" are in it for "fun" so maybe that has something to do with it?

It was the only GTA game I was actually ever interested in finishing. Not that I didn't enjoy the old one's just never cared enough about the stories to finish them.

#20 Posted by mandude (2667 posts) -

I would have given GTA 5/5 on my first few days with it too.

#21 Posted by Aegon (5376 posts) -

I thought it was the best GTA. The gameplay wasn't amazing, but the standard wasn't exactly high at the time. Now RDR takes the top spot for best open world game made by Rockstar. 

#22 Posted by Bones8677 (3208 posts) -

I think at the time people were wrapped up in it's gorgeous visuals, and wonderful physics. But as time went on we slowly realized that as a game there wasn't much there. Looking back the driving didn't control well, the cover mechanics were clunky and the shooting didn't feel very solid. Not to mention the abusive nature of time wasting missions, like dating and taking your friends out to party.

It lost focus is what I'm saying.

#23 Posted by Spoonman671 (4523 posts) -

Maybe it has more to do with the shitty gameplay?

#24 Posted by yinstarrunner (1181 posts) -

I really enjoyed GTA IV when it first came out. Like so many others I was blown away by how realistic and full of detail the game was.

It was only in retrospect and after attempting to go back and play it again that I realized how fucking boring it actually is.

#25 Posted by Danteveli (1157 posts) -

gta 4 is really good game compaed to all the stuff this gen it just lacks content compared to the vice city and san andreas

#26 Posted by artgarcrunkle (970 posts) -

Critics are hypebeasts.

#27 Posted by ajamafalous (11793 posts) -

I did not enjoy GTA IV at all. The game felt like a chore to play.

#28 Edited by Dylabaloo (1549 posts) -

No checkpoints, annoying attempts to you immerse into the world via annoying "friends" asking to go bowling (The world phone interface was slow and cumbersome everything an interface shouldn't be), while poorly integrating gameplay into the story as it betrays the very character of Niko, half baked multiplayer and a very very disappointing soundtrack. Some of the reasons I didn't end up finishing GTA IV, although some of it was my fault for hyping it up beyond what it could have achieved but I learnt a valuable lesson to never over-hype things. I have reasonable hopes for V and will definitely give it a fair shot.

(And thankfully Rockstar restored a lot of my good will with the superb Red Dead Redemption.)

#29 Posted by AlisterCat (5468 posts) -

My favourite GTA, but there are more consumers than critics. So many people bought the game there are bound to be millions who didn't like it and millions who did. Not a disconnect, just a huge audience with a highly vocal section of people who like to type of message boards. When it came out I didn't go on a message board for weeks.

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#30 Edited by TheSquarePear (155 posts) -

@9cupsoftea said:

@General_Mapache said:

At the time of release critics were giving GTA IV 5/5 and 10/10, praising especially the down to earth gritty story, believable and troubled characters and Liberty city it's self which was great satire of modern society. The reaction from gamers has been much more mixed especially on my thread on the GTA V forum, where most gamers are condeming the serious tone and labeling it boring. This is drawing me ever closer to the sad conclusion that while critics want gaming to progress and become something truly astounding there is at least a substantial portion of gamers that just want gaming to remain locked in a world of male adolescent stupidity.

I think it was the complete opposite. Most gamers who disliked the game I think felt like the 'serious tone' of GTA IV was actually extremely weak, not informed at all by the gameplay, and lacked a lot of narrative cohesion. It seemed that critics were taken in by the superficial nature, whereas gamers just weren't so easily fooled. I think a better example of disconnect are games like Alpha Protocol and Nier, which have big cult followings and got a lot of positive reactions from gamers, whilst critics ignored, dismissed, or gave mediocre, ill-informed reviews.

It's not the critics who are asking for games to go beyond shooting as primary mechanics, it's gamers. It's not critics who are touting games which have innovation but poor graphics, it's gamers. And it's not critics who are cynical about sequelitis, no new IPs, and cop-outs (ME3), it's gamers.

QFT

To me it was more of a Sims game than a rampage crime simulator.

I still play it and the expansions (BoGT makes up for a lot of the missing fun) today since I was kind of disappointed with the lack of technical improvements in Saints Row 3.

GTA 3 also seemed weak to me and I think part of it is the massive amount of resources spent on a new engine restricts the amount of new content.

Otherwise it might be that GTA fits better with non-contemporary period pieces.

#31 Posted by jjnen (660 posts) -

GTA IV was great when it was released. Genres standards have grown higher since the four years ago when it was released. It did many things way better than any other game before it.

#32 Posted by SethPhotopoulos (5035 posts) -

It's because your answers are from forums?

#33 Posted by SethPhotopoulos (5035 posts) -

@AlisterCat said:

My favourite GTA, but there are more consumers than critics. So many people bought the game there are bound to be millions who didn't like it and millions who did. Not a disconnect, just a huge audience with a highly vocal section of people who like to type of message boards. When it came out I didn't go on a message board for weeks.

I find that is probably the best thing to do when a new game comes out that you really want to sink into. When Mass Effect 3 came out I stayed off the social aspect of the internet for a week or two. I loved the game. Came back to the internet and it was all going to Hell.

#34 Posted by Pr1mus (3771 posts) -

The disconnect is simple.

Everyday gamers don't have to account for anything other than their own enjoyment or lack thereof.

#35 Edited by dirkfunk (175 posts) -

GTA IV was indeed a good game. Was it a 10? Absolutely not.

I personally had a lot more fun with San Andreas and Vice City.

I would say IV was a let down in my book, but still enjoyable. The game was just caught in a massive media hype wave.

And to me, first impressions were quite good. But after playing the game for awhile, I didn't care about the story, I cared that it wasn't that fun to play anymore.

I'm still sort of baffled by how much more I enjoyed Red Dead Redemption over GTA IV. . .

#36 Posted by UnrealDP (1220 posts) -

I really like that game and it's a super substantial piece of high quality content. I don't think reviewers were just giving it good reviews to advance the industry at large. I'd like to think that reviewers just gave it that because it was a good game....

#37 Posted by Hitchenson (4682 posts) -

You're wrong. IV's the best GTA to date.

#38 Posted by Godlyawesomeguy (6385 posts) -

@Hitchenson said:

IV's the best GTA to date.

Hear, hear!

#39 Posted by Ravenlight (8040 posts) -

I didn't like GTA IV but I loved Red Dead Redemption. All I'm saying is I hope there's a horse in GTA V.

#40 Posted by Korwin (2813 posts) -

GTA 4 had to many technical problems to warrant a perfect score.

#41 Posted by AlexW00d (6167 posts) -

I found the gameplay to be clunky - more than previous games anyway - the story to be awful, and most of the characters were arseholes. The whole 'I wanna be a good person so I'll shoot all these thousands of people in the face' was just stupid.

But other people enjoyed, and good on 'em.

#42 Posted by Drebin_893 (2891 posts) -

What? I found GTA IV incredibly disappointing, but that's because I thought the story felt empty and (I thought) pretty stupid. I always attributed this to being from England, not the U.S.

#43 Posted by DukesT3 (1888 posts) -

I loved it. My friend was so-so with it and San Andreas is if favorite GTA. Some people wanted ridiculous and were sad when they didn't even though there was some pretty fucked up parts in the game.

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