Guide: How to survive the suicide mission & save everyone?

#151 Posted by Raven_Sword (3447 posts) -

I followed IGNs guide, and all my dudes survived. Got the Acheivment. Dont know if I wanna do all the loyalty shit again when I do my second Playthrough.
#152 Posted by Napalm (9020 posts) -

All I am going to say, BioWare are the masters of tension. When I had Jacob (bad choice) crawling through the air ducts, and he's like, "Oh god, I'm stuck!" And then I was like, "OMG I have to open the valves!" At the same time I've got tons of dudes shooting at me and I'm just saying, "omg omg omg omg hurry hurry, shit! Go! Shit! Hurry, hurry!"

#153 Posted by Artemis_D (817 posts) -
@MildMolasses:   Well, there's an achievement for completing this task.  Also, some people just want to experience every outcome after they've finished the game.  I imagine you're here for one of those reasons, so it's not just us.
 
I lost two characters in my original playthrough.  I'd like to do a second mission where everyone survives, just to see what happens.  I'd also like to experience the ending where Shepard dies and the one where everyone dies.
#154 Edited by adele19 (4 posts) -
@expletive: Huh. Out of curiosity, what were your paragon/renegade levels at that point? Maybe you were neutral enough that a middle ground worked...eh, who knows, just throwing around theories...
#155 Posted by ImperiousRix (2963 posts) -
@Napalm:
Yeah, I had Legion going through the vents, and I realized I had to support his ass the whole way.  I was like, "Fuck, hold on hold on!" 
Then when the doors were left open and my whole team was taking a shit load of fire, I was like, "JUST GO FUCKERS!"  Luckily, my man Garrus ordered his squad to support us, and we all made it through.  I was so proud.
#156 Posted by Expletive (1057 posts) -
@adele19 said:
" @expletive: Huh. Out of curiosity, what were your paragon/renegade levels at that point? Maybe you were neutral enough that a middle ground worked...eh, who knows, just throwing around theories... "
I'm not entirely sure, but I think I had very low renegade points and maybe a bit bast half of the paragon points.
#157 Posted by Whisperkill (2969 posts) -

Tali got a rocket to the head for me by the vents.

#158 Posted by ImperiousRix (2963 posts) -
@Whisperkill:
Who was your 1st squad leader?  If they're not good enough, your vent specialist is gonna eat it.
#159 Posted by Whisperkill (2969 posts) -
@ImperiousRix: Jacob, but this was before I even chose that I think, when we closed that door after the vents she got hit by a rocket at the last second.
#160 Posted by ImperiousRix (2963 posts) -
@Whisperkill:
Hmm, Jacob should be solid, but I guess not for 1st squad.  You should go with Miranda or Garrus.
#161 Posted by MushroomSamba (171 posts) -

I put Tali in the vents, which really made me frantic to save her. If I put Legion in there, somehow I doubt I would've ran that section with the same urgency. :P
 
Garrus was my squad leader bother times...figured if he's good enough to survive the first, why not the second?
 
Samara held up my shields and Jacob did the escort mission.
 
Everyone survived except Jack...and I didn't even use her for any of the missions. I guess having her at "normal" loyalty didn't cut it. Oh well. Next time I'll try sticking her on escort duties. She can't botch that up could she?

#162 Posted by Vigilance (270 posts) -

Well, what I did wasn't revolutionary, but I got through with no one dying. 
 

#163 Posted by Expletive (1057 posts) -

Can you still get this achievement if one of the crew members die?
 
Kelly died, I don't know why though, the only quest I did before going to the Omega 4 was the Legion loyalty quest.
 
Help?

#164 Posted by ImperiousRix (2963 posts) -
@expletive:
Yeah, my buddy had a shit load of the crew die, but no squad members died.  He still got the achievement.
#165 Posted by Expletive (1057 posts) -
@ImperiousRix: AWESOME, Thank you so much.
 
Great to know. 
I like it better that one person died anyways, more dramatic.
#166 Posted by Maxszy (2064 posts) -

Just want to report that I did #9 and it didn't work. 
 
Vents: Tali
1st Squad: Garrus
Shields: Jack
2nd Squad: Miranda
Escort: Grunt
End Team: Miranda/Thane
 
I had everyone loyal. I was renegade. Lost Mordin when Grunt was escorting back. No idea what I could have done differently. This is nuts. But I love this game for it.

#167 Posted by xyzygy (10045 posts) -

I followed the 6th plan on the OP's list and the only two who weren't loyal, Miranda and Zaeed, died. Why did it work for some people and not me? I don't get it.

#168 Edited by Spacetrucking (944 posts) -
@xyzygy said:

" I followed the 6th plan on the OP's list and the only two who weren't loyal, Miranda and Zaeed, died. Why did it work for some people and not me? I don't get it. "

EDIT: Hmm, just read #6 again. My bad. What kind of upgrades did you have ? And can you tell me where did Miranda and Zaeed die ?
#169 Posted by xyzygy (10045 posts) -
@Killjoi said:
" @xyzygy said:

" I followed the 6th plan on the OP's list and the only two who weren't loyal, Miranda and Zaeed, died. Why did it work for some people and not me? I don't get it. "

EDIT: Hmm, just read #6 again. My bad. What kind of upgrades did you have ? And can you tell me where did Miranda and Zaeed die ? "
Miranda and Zaeed died right at the end, when they were all running away. It was just another random scene thing.
#170 Edited by Spacetrucking (944 posts) -
@xyzygy:  You would have to consult Vager and ask him how he made it work. Maybe you guys are playing on different difficulties or got different equipment ? The team choices are not the only variable. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
#171 Posted by Spacetrucking (944 posts) -
@Maxszy said:
" Just want to report that I did #9 and it didn't work.   Vents: Tali 1st Squad: Garrus Shields: Jack 2nd Squad: Miranda Escort: Grunt End Team: Miranda/Thane  I had everyone loyal. I was renegade. Lost Mordin when Grunt was escorting back. No idea what I could have done differently. This is nuts. But I love this game for it. "
Try switching Mordin to escort - that should work. I'll remove #9 btw...you're not the only one who failed with that combo.
#172 Posted by VTheSystemV (76 posts) -
@zungerman090 I had that too...Jack was the one that died at the end for me.  As well as Thane, as he was carried off by the swarm...WHY?!  Take Jacob instead, but I loved Thane!
#173 Posted by Aaox (1657 posts) -

I won! Awesome awesome sauce. Thanks, that was probably the tensest moment in my gaming life EVER.

#174 Posted by Melamed (8 posts) -

I ve got through the suicide mission with everyone alive, even the Normandy crew,  and i think that the specific roles and teams are quite obvious if you wanna use all your squad members 
I used Legion for the vents, Garrus leading Fire team 1 
Shepard squad at that time was Grunt + Jack 
For the biotic bubble I used Samara and Miranda for the second Fire team  
Used Jacob for rescuing the survivors. Shepard's squad was like Zaeed+ Thane 
For the final squad I used Tali + Mordin - they didn't even die once, u just have to make them take cover and use Cain against the Final boss 
Everyone got out alive 
Had everyone loyal and almost every upgrade possible

#175 Posted by Maxszy (2064 posts) -
@Killjoi: Great job keeping the list updated! Thanks!
#176 Posted by Joeyoe31 (820 posts) -

This is my list
 
Vents: Tali
1st Squad: Miranda
Shields: Samara
2nd Squad: Garrus
Escort: Grunt
Final Squad: Tali+Legion
 
I had everyone loyal to me and i had max renegade if that even makes a difference.

#177 Posted by Spiritwolf99 (5 posts) -

 Aww, OP. The solution I put before had everyone including Kelly/etc. live, why not put it up? 
 
Might not be extraordinary, but c'mon. =P
 
Nice having all but the crew that died before (Hobble hobble around the ship, remember? Trying to say without spoilers.) is nice.

#178 Posted by Spacetrucking (944 posts) -
@Spiritwolf99: I'm sorry about that. I've been busy for the last couple of days, I'll update the list sometime later tonight. A lot of people have reported success/failure with existing combos so I have to clean up the list a bit. Thanks for the info though.
#179 Edited by Renahzor (995 posts) -

I went with Miranda for both team leads, Legion in the vents, Samara on shields.  I was worried about the crew making it back so I sent Garrus with them, knowing he'd be solid.  
 
Everyone Loyal, Everyone survived including crew.  My last team was Tali/Jacob because thats who I used a lot during the game.  
 
Max paragon, all upgrades possible, and diffused every team argument with a paragon dialogue choice. 

#180 Posted by MushroomSamba (171 posts) -

Dunno if it's been mentioned already, but I think difficulty setting also affects it.
 
Miranda was the only one on my team who wasn't loyal (sided with Jack during their dispute, and didn't have enough para/ren points to swing her back in my favor), and she kept freakin' dying on me no matter where I put here. I seriously replayed the final stretch like a million times testing all the possibilities. I heard people saying they got people to survive even without loyalty, so I began to think it was RNG odds. I kept replaying the final part, and I finally got the bright idea to turn down the difficulty to casual just so I can finish it faster. Lo and behold, that one time did the trick and Miranda FINALLY survived. 
 
If you're having trouble getting your squad alive, you might wanna give that a shot. Not exactly sure if it was the exact reason or just lucky RNG...and I don't feel like testing it any further. I beat that goddamn T-1000 a bazillion times more than I wanted to already.

#181 Posted by Spacetrucking (944 posts) -
@MushroomSamba: You're not alone. I had similar trouble with Jack dieing on Insanity. I tried quite a few combinations but turning down the difficulty did the trick for me. I'll give it a few more tries but I think Insanity might require full loyalty for every crew member.
#182 Posted by xyzygy (10045 posts) -

I just did finished Insanity with this order, the order I used to go through on veteran which worked.  
 
Specialist: Tali 
1st leader: Garrus 
Biotic: Jack (With implants) 
2nd leader: Garrus 
Escort: Zaeed 
 
Mordin died. Everyone was loyal and had no more conversations for me. I have no idea what went wrong, but I'm thinking I should have put Miranda as the second squad leader. This order worked for me on Veteran though.

#183 Posted by Andorski (5346 posts) -

Here's my "everyone saved" line-up.
 
Shepard: Full Paragon, 3 Bars of Renegade.
Loyalty: Everyone
Ship Upgrades: Full
 
Vents: Legion
1st Squad Leader: Jacob
Shields: Samara
2nd Squad Leader: Miranda
Escort: Garrus
Final Team: Tali, Jack
 
Other Notes:

  • All of the crew died except Dr. Chakwas.  I took my sweet time after the crew got kidnapped.
  • Miranda was my love interest (not sure if that makes a difference).
  • I was missing some weapon/armor upgades (didn't even know Tuchanka had shops).
  • Had enough paragon/renegade points to use...
    1) Renegade choice with Jack/Miranda argument.
    2) Paragon choice with Legion/Tali argument.
 
 
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I'm going through the game a second time now, trying to make all the same choices (although I'm sure I've chosen a few different dialogue choices on the way).  Looking at the posts on these threads, I'm getting freaked out at the possibility of not having everyone saved for a second time. Q_Q
#184 Posted by slowbird (1737 posts) -

I used method #18 and wanted to add to it.  With Jack not being loyal, it seems you have to have Miranda in your party and leave Jack with the rest of the crew, or else Jack will die.  I guess she pays more attention to the Collectors if she's not busy calling Miranda names.

#185 Edited by cap123 (2477 posts) -

 godamn it, i thought the whole 'ok this your last chance to do all the side quests and stuff before it's too late' point would be a little clearer, or maybe i wasn't paying enough attention. But DAMN i haven't done Tali's or Legions loyalty quests yet and all my crew just got taken. 
 
First question - before working out that the more stuff you do after the IFF quest the more people die, i went to all the shops throughout the galaxies and bought all the stuff that i couldn't afford before it in anticipation of the suicide mission... does that count as time passing? does landing on planets count as 'missions', i bloody well hope not because i went eveywhere, even bloody tuchanka. 
 
Second - I actually went and GOT tali, not even her loyalty mission, after the IFF quest. So that means both legion and tali won't be loyal if there's a 1 mission maximum after the crew's taken... can't two non-loyal members make it through alive??
 
this really sucks, i wasn't paying attention and did the IFF quest thinking it was a particuallry epic side-quest! then all of sudden he called himself legion and i was like wait what... this better not be bloody main quest. knowing about legion, i thought after i got tali on my team i would be issued another dossier. i actually got fucked over by knowing too many spoilers! :(

#186 Posted by cap123 (2477 posts) -

godamn it, i thought the whole 'ok this your last chance to do all the side quests and stuff before it's too late' point would be a little clearer, or maybe i wasn't paying enough attention. But DAMN i haven't done Tali's or Legions loyalty quests yet and all my crew just got taken. 
 
First question - before working out that the more stuff you do after the IFF quest the more people die, i went to all the shops throughout the galaxies and bought all the stuff that i couldn't afford before it anticipation of the suicide mission... does that count as time passing? does landing on planets count as 'missions', i bloody well hope not because i went eveywhere, even bloody tuchanka. 
 
Second - I actually went and GOT tali, not even her loyalty mission, after the IFF quest. So that means both legion and tali won't be loyal if there's a 1 mission maximum after the crew's taken... can't two non-loyal members make it through alive??
 
this really sucks, i wasn't paying attention and did the IFF quest thinking it was a particuallry epic side-quest! then all of sudden he called himself legion and i was like wait what... this better not be bloody main quest. knowing about legion, i thought after i got tali on my team i would be issued another dossier. i actually got fucked over by knowing too many spoilers! :(

#187 Posted by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -

I did a second run as a good person and got EVERYONE to live, including the crew.  I didn't have loyality for Miranda and that DLC guy.  But everyone was loyal.  Much better ending than the first run with me being a prick.  x.x

#188 Posted by Skytylz (4033 posts) -

i was an idiot, i picked 2 non loyal members for the final part because i thought it would keep them alive...  i read it better afterwards, great guide though thanks

#189 Edited by Lauren (14 posts) -
Haven't seen my exact lineup posted yet: 
 
Everyone Saved 
Difficulty: Veteran
Shepard: Full Paragon, less than one bar of Renegade
Loyalty: Everyone 
Ship Upgrades: Everything but the Med Bay

Vents: Legion 
1st Squad Leader:  Garrus
Shields: Samara 
2nd Squad Leader: Garrus
Escort: Grunt
Final Team: Thane, Garrus 
 
  •  I used Thane and Garrus through most of the game (in the missions that allowed it), not sure if that has any impact.        

         
 
Edit: added spoilers, just in case.
#190 Posted by Spacetrucking (944 posts) -
@slowbird: Yes, you're right. Players can only use loyal members as part of their team.  

@Andorski:
 Thanks, I was doubtful Jacob would work as a squad leader first time around. 

@cap123:  To answer your questions:
 
  1. Shopping doesn't count against you but doing any kind of side mission will get people killed. 
  2. Yes, you can make it with people on "Normal" loyalty but you might have to turn down the difficulty for it. Make a backup save just in case. I recommend you get either Legion or Tali to full loyalty because you need one of them to be loyal for the last mission.

@Lauren: Thanks for the detailed info. Too bad about Kelly - she is a very likable character and it'd be nice to have her around in ME3.
#191 Posted by HistoryInRust (6349 posts) -

This thread is super long, so I haven't read through all the posts, and therefore I don't know if this has been said/confirmed. BUT, to save a non-loyal character, avoid assigning them to any specific tasks, and do not include them in your party to attack the Human-Reaper. 
 
The only exception here is Mordin, whose loyalty should be pretty easily attainable. Would highly recommend using Mordin for the escort mission, but if your escort isn't loyal, he/she will likely be killed. 

#192 Posted by Red (5995 posts) -

Beat the game with everyone (including crew) getting out in 36 hours. 
I used: Tali for vents, Garrus first and second team leader, Samara for shields, Jacob for escort and Miranda and Thane as my final team. 
However, I did have everyone loyal and almost all of the upgrades purchased (only ones not purchased were some final weapon/armor upgrades).

#193 Posted by mracoon (4973 posts) -

Just beat the game and everybody survived along with the crew.
 
Vents - Leigon
1st Squad - Garrus
Shields - Jack
2nd Squad - Garrus
Escort - Grunt
Personal Squad - Mordin and Miranda throughout
 
I had everyone loyal, all the ship upgrades and most of the weapon/armour upgrades too.

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#194 Posted by Reibus (5 posts) -

Was I the only person who thought that the vent meant pick Thane ? 
I knew that it was possible ( I actually thought that you couldnt avoid it) that someone might die. 
So when I saw him walk along side us in plain view, i saw of dawned on me that I had made the wrong choice.
 
Oh well always next time

#195 Posted by Dylabaloo (1549 posts) -

Can someone please tell me what resource you need to upgrade the normandys shields thanks

#196 Posted by Sp4rtanll7 (13 posts) -

I hate that Mordin will die for no reason whatsoever.  I had everyone loyal, legion do the vents, Garrus as squad leader both times, Samara my shield, and Grunt the escort.  I had Jacob and Zaeed with me in the final fight, and they were useless. I shouldv taken Mordin, and Thane, kuz they were my weakest guys, and that wouldv kept them alive.

#197 Edited by adele19 (4 posts) -

So, just played through end again, and got everyone to live. Had Mordin's and Jack's upgrades this time.
 
Vents: Legion
1st/2nd Squad Leader: Garrus 
Escort: Mordin
Biotics: Samara
Final Team: Thane/Miranda
 
EDIT: As I have been unable to access Xbox live recently, I haven't downloaded Zaeed, so I don't have him. Don't know if that effects survival chances or not.

#198 Posted by dbrian (2 posts) -

i finished my first playthrough and i managed to get every team member, except Jack,  out alive.
  
Vents: Tali
1st/2nd Squad Leader: Garrus 
Shields: Samara
Escort: None
Final Team: Miranda & Jack
 
Notes: I had all upgrades for the team and ship; after i recovered the IFF i've done 3 more missions and then i went through the Omega 4 Relay. Non-loyal members were Legion and Jack.

#199 Posted by Norbington (33 posts) -

Here's what I used 
 
Vents: Tali
1st/2nd Squad Leader: Samara
Shields: Samara
Escort: Grunt
Final Team: Mordin and Miranda
 
Tali ended up getting shot in the face but I refuse to replay it as that is my Shepard's ending and I will live with the consequences in ME3

#200 Posted by Nelander (177 posts) -

so I did an insanity run with everyone loyal and  had most weapons upgrades and all prototypes, everyone lived:
Vent: Legion
1st Squad: Garrus
Shields: Jack
2st Squad: Garrus
Escort: Mordin
 
Then I did a normal run, everyone recruited was loyal but I didn't activate grunt and skipped Zaeed, also did not upgrade any weapon, armor or prototype, except the Normandy shields, armor and weapon, then used the same configuration than my insanity run, everyone lived, so in normal difficulty, gear upgrades seem to have no impact.

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