Is EA scamming DLC? (POSSIBLE SPOILERS)

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#51 Posted by CL60 (16906 posts) -
#52 Posted by Vegetable_Side_Dish (1726 posts) -

If you think this is ok, you are part of the problem.

#53 Posted by Phatmac (5725 posts) -

I like how people still think that EA is bullying Bioware into being the new evil company. Spoilers folks, money sells. Bioware realizes that and I'm sure that most of Bioware is with EA. It isn't the same anymore. So I'd include EA and Bioware into this mess. They aren't pure anymore.

#54 Posted by Entreri10 (196 posts) -

I think this is getting overblown, It's likely to be in the same vein as Zaeed and Kasumi for ME2 in that its interesting and fun but in no way necessary to enjoy ME3. I'm glad that they are releasing it since I wasn't able to get the CE of the game.

#55 Edited by CL60 (16906 posts) -

@Entreri10 said:

I think this is getting overblown, It's likely to be in the same vein as Zaeed and Kasumi for ME2 in that its interesting and fun but in no way necessary to enjoy ME3. I'm glad that they are releasing it since I wasn't able to get the CE of the game.

It's exactly what it is. The leaked spoilers have what his story is. And it's nothing important. The DLC is basically just a fanservice side mission, with a codex entry. That has nothing relevant to the main plot of anything.

#56 Edited by DeShawn2ks (1052 posts) -

@Atary77: Maybe but my dumb ass is still going to by all the dlc that doesn't come with my collectors edition.

#57 Posted by mandude (2669 posts) -

Aren't Bioware the epitome of shitty DLC services, since DA:O? This only seems like the next logical step for them.

#58 Posted by BD (251 posts) -

If this character is so important why make it DLC. I think Bioware and EA just messed up in calling it day 1 dlc. I bet if this was released one or two after launch this wouldn't be such a big issue.

#59 Posted by Vorbis (2750 posts) -

Well done to EA for working out a way get an extra £10 for their game on release.

#60 Edited by DefaultProphet (396 posts) -

@jakonovski said:

Apparently some voiceovers from the DLC companion got out on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK99_T61alc Now who does that voice remind me of?

Somebody from Africa?

Oh I'm sorry you thought I was gonna say Jar Jar Binks because I can't recognize accents like you apparently? Sad bro sad.

#61 Posted by DefaultProphet (396 posts) -

Casey Hudson just tweeted:

It takes about 3 months from "content complete" to bug-fix, certify, manufacture, and ship game discs. In that time we work on DLC.

DLC has fast cert and no mfg., so if a team works very hard, they can get a DLC done in time to enjoy it with your 1st playthrough on day 1.

On ME3, content creators completed the game in January & moved onto the "From Ashes" DLC, free w/ the CE or you can buy seperately.

#62 Posted by D_W (1143 posts) -
@jakonovski said:

Apparently some voiceovers from the DLC companion got out on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK99_T61alc Now who does that voice remind me of?

Oh man! Haha. I'm not sure if it's awesome or terrible that he's all rasta-like.
#63 Posted by Atary77 (502 posts) -

@DefaultProphet said:

Casey Hudson just tweeted:

It takes about 3 months from "content complete" to bug-fix, certify, manufacture, and ship game discs. In that time we work on DLC.

DLC has fast cert and no mfg., so if a team works very hard, they can get a DLC done in time to enjoy it with your 1st playthrough on day 1.

On ME3, content creators completed the game in January & moved onto the "From Ashes" DLC, free w/ the CE or you can buy seperately.

I believe this can shed some much needed light on the subject. Good find!

#64 Posted by tourgen (4461 posts) -

Wait I don't understand, is it a code or is it on the disk? Whatever it doesn't even matter. I bet the character doesn't even get any lines let alone a mission set. Wait for the reviews before freaking out.

#65 Posted by mordukai (7149 posts) -

@Marz said:

So what's the big deal? they did it for Zaeed Massani in ME2.

Zaeed was available with every new copy of the game. This new member is only for deluxe edition. People with the regular edition will have to pay an extra $10 for it.

#66 Posted by jillsandwich (762 posts) -

If you happen to be stupid enough to find this particular thing a problem, the download is about 600 megs, so it's not on the disc.

Like I said, that shouldn't change much, but I know it pisses a lot of people off when stuff's already on the disc.

#67 Edited by BlueStriped (100 posts) -

Michael Gamble from bioware posted this not to long ago:

As most of you know, yesterday there was a leak that revealed the upcoming DLC “ME3:From Ashes” on the

Xbox LIVE Marketplace. This leak took place before we were prepared to make an announcement about the details of that pack (slated for this Friday).

There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things...

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate

appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase). Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

We’ll be releasing someimages and video about this pack in the coming days.

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your support. We pulled out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best game ever, and we can't wait for you all to experience it.

Mike

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9403705

#68 Edited by Dany (7887 posts) -

@Mordukai said:

@Marz said:

So what's the big deal? they did it for Zaeed Massani in ME2.

Zaeed was available with every new copy of the game. This new member is only for deluxe edition. People with the regular edition will have to pay an extra $10 for it.

They don't have to. They can not buy it if they don't want it.

#69 Posted by mordukai (7149 posts) -

@Dany said:

@Mordukai said:

@Marz said:

So what's the big deal? they did it for Zaeed Massani in ME2.

Zaeed was available with every new copy of the game. This new member is only for deluxe edition. People with the regular edition will have to pay an extra $10 for it.

They don't have to. They can not buy it if they don't want it.

True. However, it is aggravating that you have to pay extra for a party member of this magnitude. If it was any other race then I wouldn't care as much but this one is definitely one you want because you know he adds to the story. The other aggravating issue is that this member was a part of the development cycle and not something that was added late in the development.

I am afraid this is setting a very dangerous precedence. What's next? What is stopping publishers and developers from taking it even further and removing parts of the story for different issues. I understand doing it for used games but this is just getting out of hand and someone needs to put a stop to it. Imho I think the ESRB needs to start moderating how far companies can take DLC and what they can and can't include because if left unchecked this is gonna get out of control really fast. Choosing this particular member is borderline extortion from EA because they know the importance of this particular species. They know that any other race then gamers wouldn't care that much and only the most hardcore (sorry for the use of the word. I know how much you hate it... :P) of players would buy it, but now they ensured that every person with any level of investment in this series will be a sure shoot.

Frankly I find it hard to believe this was even a leak. I had a friend who worked for OR company for years and he told me that most of the times something gets leaked a head of time is nothing more then a carefully placed PR and frankly I tend to believe him because look at all the attention this is getting. I also starting to think this whole issue with the Bioware writer and Reddit is another PR stunt because it just seems suspicious it would blow up like that this close to ME3 launch even though her remarks were made almost a year ago.

#70 Posted by Dany (7887 posts) -

@Mordukai: I think your making to much of an assumption of how the character is implemented. We will see when the game comes out.

#71 Posted by SethPhotopoulos (5210 posts) -

@Mordukai said:

@Dany said:

@Mordukai said:

@Marz said:

So what's the big deal? they did it for Zaeed Massani in ME2.

Zaeed was available with every new copy of the game. This new member is only for deluxe edition. People with the regular edition will have to pay an extra $10 for it.

They don't have to. They can not buy it if they don't want it.

True. However, it is aggravating that you have to pay extra for a party member of this magnitude. If it was any other race then I wouldn't care as much but this one is definitely one you want because you know he adds to the story. The other aggravating issue is that this member was a part of the development cycle and not something that was added late in the development.

I am afraid this is setting a very dangerous precedence. What's next? What is stopping publishers and developers from taking it even further and removing parts of the story for different issues. I understand doing it for used games but this is just getting out of hand and someone needs to put a stop to it. Imho I think the ESRB needs to start moderating how far companies can take DLC and what they can and can't include because if left unchecked this is gonna get out of control really fast. Choosing this particular member is borderline extortion from EA because they know the importance of this particular species. They know that any other race then gamers wouldn't care that much and only the most hardcore (sorry for the use of the word. I know how much you hate it... :P) of players would buy it, but now they ensured that every person with any level of investment in this series will be a sure shoot.

Frankly I find it hard to believe this was even a leak. I had a friend who worked for OR company for years and he told me that most of the times something gets leaked a head of time is nothing more then a carefully placed PR and frankly I tend to believe him because look at all the attention this is getting. I also starting to think this whole issue with the Bioware writer and Reddit is another PR stunt because it just seems suspicious it would blow up like that this close to ME3 launch even though her remarks were made almost a year ago.

@Raggy said:

Michael Gamble from bioware posted this not to long ago:

Michael Gamble posted this not too long ago on the bioware forum.

As most of you know, yesterday there was a leak that revealed the upcoming DLC “ME3:From Ashes” on the

Xbox LIVE Marketplace. This leak took place before we were prepared to make an announcement about the details of that pack (slated for this Friday).

There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things...

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate

appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase). Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

We’ll be releasing someimages and video about this pack in the coming days.

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your support. We pulled out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best game ever, and we can't wait for you all to experience it.

Mike

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9403705

#72 Edited by lclay (383 posts) -
@DefaultProphet said:

Casey Hudson just tweeted:

It takes about 3 months from "content complete" to bug-fix, certify, manufacture, and ship game discs. In that time we work on DLC.

DLC has fast cert and no mfg., so if a team works very hard, they can get a DLC done in time to enjoy it with your 1st playthrough on day 1.

On ME3, content creators completed the game in January & moved onto the "From Ashes" DLC, free w/ the CE or you can buy seperately.

@Raggy said:

Michael Gamble from bioware posted this not to long ago:

As most of you know, yesterday there was a leak that revealed the upcoming DLC “ME3:From Ashes” on the

Xbox LIVE Marketplace. This leak took place before we were prepared to make an announcement about the details of that pack (slated for this Friday).

There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things...

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate

appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase). Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

We’ll be releasing someimages and video about this pack in the coming days.

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your support. We pulled out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best game ever, and we can't wait for you all to experience it.

Mike

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9403705

Thanks for backing up what I said earlier, it gives me a nice warm feeling to know how right I am about things :)
#73 Posted by pw2566ch (480 posts) -

I blame us gamers for this issue. We continue to buy into this DLC without raising a single issue and now publishers think that it's all fine and dandy.

Anyway, here's Totalbiscuit's take on the matter...

#74 Posted by Extreme_Popcorn (842 posts) -

@Raggy said:

Michael Gamble from bioware posted this not to long ago:

As most of you know, yesterday there was a leak that revealed the upcoming DLC “ME3:From Ashes” on the

Xbox LIVE Marketplace. This leak took place before we were prepared to make an announcement about the details of that pack (slated for this Friday).

There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things...

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate

appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase). Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

We’ll be releasing someimages and video about this pack in the coming days.

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your support. We pulled out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best game ever, and we can't wait for you all to experience it.

Mike

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/9403705

This will change nothing, the internet already has it's collective panties in a twist over this.

#75 Edited by Bourbon_Warrior (4523 posts) -

@AndrewB: The Shadow Broker was great DLC. Up there with the rest of the Loyalty missions in the game. This just sounds like Zaeed from 2.

#76 Posted by Teaspoon83 (623 posts) -

Call me old but I liked it when all the content that a game developer created was on the damn cart. If the game was successful, they created a sequel. The only DLC I'm okay with is cosmetic stuff, like Riot Games skins and TF2. Why didn't Bioware just do what they did with Mass Effect 2 and include it with a new purchase?

I can understand today creating and releasing DLC a month or two months down the road with new content to extend the value of a game like multiplayer maps or Mass Effects additional missions. Fallout and Oblivion showed how to really extend their games while still offering cheap horse armor.

As a fan of Bioware and their DnD series and extremely excited for Mass Effect, this is appalling. It turns the fans into consumer being pushed around.

I cancelled my order out of disgust because this is going too far. It is disappointing that it had to be this game they decided to try and pull this.

#77 Edited by Chop (1996 posts) -

Honestly, this is my tipping point. Between this and Dragon Age 2, locking out characters seems to be something Bioware are intent on continuing with. I don't care about day one weapons or skins or whatever but the characters are the meat and potatoes of Bioware. They can throw out all the explanations they want; I'm sure they are completely rational and make sense from their end, but I won't let them lock me out of single player plot content on day one.

Mass Effect 3 went from one of my most anticipated titles to a bargain bin buy for me.

#78 Edited by Jaytow (693 posts) -

I wish we could all take a stand on this but mass effect is too damned good.

Bioware, you got us good.

#79 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8534 posts) -
@jakonovski said:

If a live Prothean is not an important plot point, what hope is there for ME3's story?

Hope?  There is no hope.  THE KID DIES! 
#80 Edited by Hitchenson (4682 posts) -

EA like many other corps like to shit over their customers, what's new. It's content made for the game that is being sold as an extra due to their immense greed and assholeness. People saying it was made during cert or whatever shit, it's still made for launch, the cheek of selling more content the fucking day the game launches is mad, they only do it because they know they can shit down peoples throats and have them coming back asking for seconds.

#81 Posted by Juicebox (485 posts) -

What if it's just a character named Prothean and not an actual Prothean?

#82 Posted by Brodehouse (9792 posts) -
@Mordukai: Specifically the line "what's to stop them from cutting important content and releasing it as DLC".  There's nothing to stop them.  But you have to consider how games get made.  As Jeff has said, it's amazing they come out at all considering what even the best production pipeline looks like.  The difference between the retail game and optional DLCs is that the retail game is the thing that gets reviewed.  It's also a 60 dollar purchase as opposed to a 5-10 dollar purchase.  You don't have to look far through the review archives to find "a little lacking" and "lacks variety" in the reviews.  It is absolutely in EA's best business interests to have the game that comes out at 60 dollars be of the highest quality the developer can possibly throw it together for.  It does not make business sense to risk your 60 dollar revenue stream for a 5 dollar revenue stream (one that physically cannot be greater than the 60 dollar one).  That's not what's happening here.  The 60 dollar game is about where it would have been regardless.  Now there's just additional things on top of it.
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#83 Edited by Jaytow (693 posts) -

I GUESS THEY DON'T CALL THIS THE "COLLECTORS" EDITION FOR NOTHING HAHAHAHAHAH

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

... I'm happy with myself.

#84 Posted by Sander (411 posts) -

EA knows that Mass Effect has a dedicated, hardcore following and relies on that for more revenue per unit rather than overall number of sales [even with EA marketing and tons of awards, great reviews etc, Mass Effect 2 sold poorly].

#85 Posted by jmood88 (393 posts) -

@D_W said:

@jakonovski said:

Apparently some voiceovers from the DLC companion got out on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK99_T61alc Now who does that voice remind me of?

Oh man! Haha. I'm not sure if it's awesome or terrible that he's all rasta-like.

Have you ever heard a Jamaican before? It's not "rasta-like" at all.

#86 Posted by sickVisionz (1268 posts) -

I don't see the big deal. Kasumi and Zaeed where DLC characters last time I beat the game with and without them. Nothing was ruined and the game was still well worth the money I paid for it. Plus, IT'S ON THE COLLECTOR'S EDITION!!! Extra game content should be the status quo for Collector's Editions imo. When you buy the CE/LE version of a movie, you get more content to watch. When you buy it for a game, you should get more content to play. I've always thought it stupid that when you buy a CE/LE for a game, just get stupid crap like cat helmets rather than a bonus level, bonus skins, characters, etc.

Also, this isn't the first time BioWare has done this. Jade Empire's LE came with a bonus character class and I don't think there was any other way to get it outside of buying the LE. To me it's fair. If you love the game enough to buy a LE, you should get something exclusive and game related in return. If you don't care and just want the standard experience, just buy the standard version.

#87 Posted by Krakn3Dfx (2486 posts) -

I don't know if Bioware ripped this out of the game or coded it after cert or if they traveled into the future and downloaded from Origin in late 2012, then brought it back to early 2012 to offer as launch/CE DLC, which would mean if won't be created in the future, causing a paradox that will rip apart the very fabric of time and space unless Doc Brown can go back, steal the DLC from Bioware, and destroy it before it can be announced/released as Day One DLC. I don't know.

I did learn from House that everybody lies, and from Fox Mulder to trust no one, and I always feel robbed by Day One DLC, whether it's a legitimate feeling or not, I dunno, I don't care, it's how I feel. Post as many corporate responses to a potentially damaging situation that you want to, tell me that MS and Apple both did independent investigations into the FoxConn factory problems and found it was just an issue with scheduling, whatever.

It seems shady, and people who are willing to stand up and just blindly defend vague interpretations of situations based on company allegiance, whether it be for MS or Sony or EA or Activision, those people are kind of weird to me. DLC has iterated into online passes and paid cheats codes and Day One content that's just a 180k file that you download off the internet and it unlocks something on the disc and then you're good. Some people evangelize it, like it's saving the industry from collapse, most people just accept it and buy whatever Corporation X wants them to buy. I guess I'm mostly in the 2nd group, although I will openly acknowledge I think it's weird and shady.

But seeing as it's special circumstances and all, he says I can knock a hundred dollars off that Trucoat.

#88 Posted by Yodasdarkside (276 posts) -

Frankly, I'm seeing this as a great alternative to the Collector's Edition. Whoa, hear me out!

I want as much Mass Effect as possible, in terms of the gameplay experience. This is a cheaper way to get the maximum out of the game without embarrassing myself, as a 34 year old adult with kids, by walking into Gamestop and ordering the CE. Fabric patch? Yeah, that'll go down well at the pub. Artbook? Who would I show it to? Leave it on a coffee table? Not likely. Metal case, whilst looking cool, will look out of place on my shelf. And what does a robotic dog really add to the game?

Full game experience for $10 less than the CE and no unnecessary clutter? Yes please.

#89 Posted by Krakn3Dfx (2486 posts) -

@Yodasdarkside said:

Frankly, I'm seeing this as a great alternative to the Collector's Edition. Whoa, hear me out!

I want as much Mass Effect as possible, in terms of the gameplay experience. This is a cheaper way to get the maximum out of the game without embarrassing myself, as a 34 year old adult with kids, by walking into Gamestop and ordering the CE. Fabric patch? Yeah, that'll go down well at the pub. Artbook? Who would I show it to? Leave it on a coffee table? Not likely. Metal case, whilst looking cool, will look out of place on my shelf. And what does a robotic dog really add to the game?

Full game experience for $10 less than the CE and no unnecessary clutter? Yes please.

The back story on that robot dog will blow your mind. Just saying.

#90 Posted by Yodasdarkside (276 posts) -

@Krakn3Dfx: Unless he turns out to be K9, I can afford to pass on his backstory.

#91 Posted by Krakn3Dfx (2486 posts) -

@Yodasdarkside said:

@Krakn3Dfx: Unless he turns out to be K9, I can afford to pass on his backstory.

Whoa, whoa, whoa...spoiler alert.

#92 Edited by Bones8677 (3224 posts) -

This is supposedly free in the collectors edition, however, i can't find that edition anywhere for the 360. Not on amazon, or gamestop. Nowhere. So i'm stuck with only getting the standard edition which provides me with jack all. Buying it new gives you free access to the uninspired multiplayer, and that's it. No reason for me to buy it day one or even new. I canceled my pre-order because of this dlc debacle also cuz there was no benefit to buying it day one. I'll wait a week or two were the new copy will be $45, or a used copy for $40.

#93 Posted by Vegetable_Side_Dish (1726 posts) -
@Yodasdarkside said:

Frankly, I'm seeing this as a great alternative to the Collector's Edition. Whoa, hear me out!

I want as much Mass Effect as possible, in terms of the gameplay experience. This is a cheaper way to get the maximum out of the game without embarrassing myself, as a 34 year old adult with kids, by walking into Gamestop and ordering the CE. Fabric patch? Yeah, that'll go down well at the pub. Artbook? Who would I show it to? Leave it on a coffee table? Not likely. Metal case, whilst looking cool, will look out of place on my shelf. And what does a robotic dog really add to the game?

Full game experience for $10 more than I should be paying and nothing from the CE? Yes please. 

Fixed that for you. 
#94 Edited by Jaytow (693 posts) -

@sickVisionz said:

I don't see the big deal. Kasumi and Zaeed where DLC characters last time I beat the game with and without them. Nothing was ruined and the game was still well worth the money I paid for it. Plus, IT'S ON THE COLLECTOR'S EDITION!!! Extra game content should be the status quo for Collector's Editions imo. When you buy the CE/LE version of a movie, you get more content to watch. When you buy it for a game, you should get more content to play. I've always thought it stupid that when you buy a CE/LE for a game, just get stupid crap like cat helmets rather than a bonus level, bonus skins, characters, etc.

Also, this isn't the first time BioWare has done this. Jade Empire's LE came with a bonus character class and I don't think there was any other way to get it outside of buying the LE. To me it's fair. If you love the game enough to buy a LE, you should get something exclusive and game related in return. If you don't care and just want the standard experience, just buy the standard version.

Zaeed was free to everybody that didn't buy the game pre-owned and Kasumi wasn't a day one DLC so they are two completely different situations plus having a prothean (even if he only has a few lines like Zaeed did) is a huge deal. Many people think, me included, that something this important should be included in the standard retail release. They are basically raising the price of games. Games are expensive enough as it is.

Anyway, as I said earlier, I have pre-ordered the CE so I'm safe!

I don't think it fair to make loyal fans pay for others buying pre-owned.

#95 Posted by WalkerD (462 posts) -

As someone who has already pre-ordered Collector's Edition, I can kind of see this as a good thing. I'm tired of being locked out of content just because I didn't preorder a game from a specific retailer, or buy some special edition of the game. It really burns my biscuits when I can't get the full fucking content of a game I own. Just give me the option to buy it. What do you know, they're doing exactly that with Mass Effect 3.

#96 Posted by solidwolf52 (300 posts) -

It's a day one DLC that's included for free in the Collector's edition. If you didn't buy the Collector's edition, but still want the content you can purchase for an additional fee, that makes the whole product cheaper than the collector's edition. I don't see what the issue is. If it was exclusive to the Collector's people would bitch that the couldn't get it otherwise.

I personally wanted the Collector's edition just because of the extra squad member, but it was sold out on Amazon. So I was going to miss out on content because of my inability to order earlier. Now that I can purchase it separately I'm pretty happy. Plus I'm getting a ten dollar credit for ordering on Amazon, so essentially I'm paying $60 for the game and the DLC, that's a full game for $60.

#97 Posted by Alex11968 (2 posts) -

@Bones8677: What incentive do you need ? Your getting the game day one for the regular price of $60, Don't try and take some moral highroad. Your just being cheap, while it's unfortunate that you cannot find the collectors edition, the full story is there in regular edition. Also Gamestop has pre-order bonuses too...

N7 Valkyrie Rifle: Deliver two rounds per shot with deadly accuracy. Stop the opposition dead in their tracks with superior high caliber rounds.

N7 Defender Armor: Improved shields and health. Survive even the most punishing of battles and withstand sustained enemy fire. Increased ammo capacity. Additional ammunition compartments ensure you are always battle-ready. Amplified weapon damage. Built-in power cells provide an additional punch to weapon fire.

M55 Argus Assault Rifle: Unleash a triple burst of rounds, effective for taking down enemies at close and long range.

#98 Posted by Arker101 (1474 posts) -

@ccampb89: Thanks for that video, I agree with T.B.

#99 Posted by Lagaroth (170 posts) -

@Jaytow said:

I GUESS THEY DON'T CALL THIS THE "COLLECTORS" EDITION FOR NOTHING HAHAHAHAHAH

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

... I'm happy with myself.

I feel bad for laughing at that.

#100 Posted by Sooty (8082 posts) -

@Alex11968 said:

@Bones8677: What incentive do you need ? Your getting the game day one for the regular price of $60, Don't try and take some moral highroad. Your just being cheap, while it's unfortunate that you cannot find the collectors edition, the full story is there in regular edition. Also Gamestop has pre-order bonuses too...

N7 Valkyrie Rifle: Deliver two rounds per shot with deadly accuracy. Stop the opposition dead in their tracks with superior high caliber rounds.

N7 Defender Armor: Improved shields and health. Survive even the most punishing of battles and withstand sustained enemy fire. Increased ammo capacity. Additional ammunition compartments ensure you are always battle-ready. Amplified weapon damage. Built-in power cells provide an additional punch to weapon fire.

M55 Argus Assault Rifle: Unleash a triple burst of rounds, effective for taking down enemies at close and long range.

So being cheap is paying $60 for a game?

Wow, you're the exact type of customer EA must love.

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