@Curious_George said:

@HistoryInRust said:

Also, I think it's a stupid inconsistency that the Starchild literally says, about the evolution that comes as a result of Synthesis, "It can't be forced." And then he has Shepard walk into a beam of light that, well, forces it.

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tl;dr -- I'd rather have an ending where Shepard sacrifices himself to implant his consciousness in the Reaper Hivemind and allows the civilizations of the galaxy to unfold and grow naturally than an ending that sucks the entirety of life in the universe through a straw against their will or consent and homogenizes every living thing.

But it's not being forced, at least not on Shepard. In that situation, as the first organic to ever to be given the choice, Shepard is basically the representative of all organic life. So Shepard makes the choice for everyone, but as a leader sometimes that's what they must do, they make a choice for thousands or millions of people because they're the only one in that position of power to make that choice. So, weighing the consequences, I don't think forcing synthesis on organics is all that terrible of a choice for Shepard to make, since as it epilogue mentions it could be the beginning of immortality for all life.

Exactly. When he says it "can't be forced", he means it can't be forced on a galaxy that is not ready for it. By the mere act of being there, Shepard had demonstrated that organic life was ready. As the representative of all life, he chose to have all life ascend to a higher plane of existence, rather than have one form of life live, and another die.

I thought the Synthesis ending was fantastic.

@Scotto said:

@Curious_George said:

@HistoryInRust said:

Also, I think it's a stupid inconsistency that the Starchild literally says, about the evolution that comes as a result of Synthesis, "It can't be forced." And then he has Shepard walk into a beam of light that, well, forces it.

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tl;dr -- I'd rather have an ending where Shepard sacrifices himself to implant his consciousness in the Reaper Hivemind and allows the civilizations of the galaxy to unfold and grow naturally than an ending that sucks the entirety of life in the universe through a straw against their will or consent and homogenizes every living thing.

But it's not being forced, at least not on Shepard. In that situation, as the first organic to ever to be given the choice, Shepard is basically the representative of all organic life. So Shepard makes the choice for everyone, but as a leader sometimes that's what they must do, they make a choice for thousands or millions of people because they're the only one in that position of power to make that choice. So, weighing the consequences, I don't think forcing synthesis on organics is all that terrible of a choice for Shepard to make, since as it epilogue mentions it could be the beginning of immortality for all life.

Exactly. When he says it "can't be forced", he means it can't be forced on a galaxy that is not ready for it. By the mere act of being there, Shepard had demonstrated that organic life was ready. As the representative of all life, he chose to have all life ascend to a higher plane of existence, rather than have one form of life live, and another die.

I thought the Synthesis ending was fantastic.

Hm, I thought I pretty much summed up what needed to be said about that, but it seems you guys said it much better than I did. Nice.

It certainly feels more complete now, though I did like the way the original ending didn't spell every little detail out for you.

It felt like I was reading a childrens book at times, the way they kinda clunkily threw in "AND THIS IS WHY THIS HAPPENED" lines every few minutes.

@NTM: Thanks for the link to the videos.

@pornstorestiffi: Yeah.

I don't understand why the "catalyst" would allow you to select choices. I mean where the hell did these machine choices come from... who built them????? Why did no-one know about the catalyst before then.

Why would the catalyst allow you to destroy the reapers!!!!!!!

@glyn said:

I don't understand why the "catalyst" would allow you to select choices. I mean where the hell did these machine choices come from... who built them????? Why did no-one know about the catalyst before then.

Why would the catalyst allow you to destroy the reapers!!!!!!!

I thought the machine choices came from the crucible interfering with the Catalyst. That is what the crucible was designed to do. If this is true however that would mean that the protheans (well at least some) knew of the Catalyst and secret part of the citadel.

Watched all the videos, and I like what they added. I didn't have problems with the old ending per se, just that they left plot holes and ended so abruptly. It actually feels like an ending now instead of just a stop.

@NTM said:

@Scotto said:

@Curious_George said:

@HistoryInRust said:

Also, I think it's a stupid inconsistency that the Starchild literally says, about the evolution that comes as a result of Synthesis, "It can't be forced." And then he has Shepard walk into a beam of light that, well, forces it.

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tl;dr -- I'd rather have an ending where Shepard sacrifices himself to implant his consciousness in the Reaper Hivemind and allows the civilizations of the galaxy to unfold and grow naturally than an ending that sucks the entirety of life in the universe through a straw against their will or consent and homogenizes every living thing.

But it's not being forced, at least not on Shepard. In that situation, as the first organic to ever to be given the choice, Shepard is basically the representative of all organic life. So Shepard makes the choice for everyone, but as a leader sometimes that's what they must do, they make a choice for thousands or millions of people because they're the only one in that position of power to make that choice. So, weighing the consequences, I don't think forcing synthesis on organics is all that terrible of a choice for Shepard to make, since as it epilogue mentions it could be the beginning of immortality for all life.

Exactly. When he says it "can't be forced", he means it can't be forced on a galaxy that is not ready for it. By the mere act of being there, Shepard had demonstrated that organic life was ready. As the representative of all life, he chose to have all life ascend to a higher plane of existence, rather than have one form of life live, and another die.

I thought the Synthesis ending was fantastic.

Hm, I thought I pretty much summed up what needed to be said about that, but it seems you guys said it much better than I did. Nice.

I still disagree with it, philosophically, but it's a great explanation.

Lots of folks still championing the Destroy ending as well. I hope more users disregard their bent toward blind hate and witness just how textured the discussions about this final decision are.

All the endings are fantastic; they do a great job of giving closure to control and synthesis -- the new reject ending was unexpected but also is quite a moral conundrum; why get to the end only to not do anything at all? Also, that reaper voice that comes out of the Catalyst when it's fed up with Shepard for not choosing anything... that was a great touch. But then we have destroy; does the same as control and synthesis but still giving you that scene of Shep breathing at the end -- which still leads me to believe indoctrination.

But the other two choices I feel do such a great job at telling it's own back story that I truly feel that each ending is real; it isn't like before the EC where I felt like destroy was the only option because Shep is still alive at the end of it.

BUT I STILL WANNA KNOW EXACTLY WHY HE/SHE IS STILL ALIVE AT THE END! Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak!

I thought maybe the structure of the destroy ending would be the same pre-EC and they would just tack on to it, but they totally emphasize Shep's breathing by leaving it at the end before the credits hit -- leads me to believe (or at least I fuckin hope) that they will eventually explain why that is with either DLC or a new ME series.

Overall, very happy regardless; but BioWare is full of brilliant and EVIL mother fuckers... think I liked it better when video games weren't art, lol.

@vikingdeath1 said:

Could you turn around and Shoot the Crucible instead of the 3 color choices Before the Extended Cut?? Because I did just for the hell of it cause I thought nothing would happen and SOMETHING AWESOME HAPPENED! and yeah, It may have just won me over.

It's one path to the "Refuse" ending. You can shoot the kid or tell the kid to fuck off with his options because you'd rather go down fighting.

The ending is better explained, but what it's explaining isn't much better. Don't get me wrong, the clarity is nice, but the ideas are just such a strong contrast to the rest of the series.

It's like when the Midichlorians were added to Star Wars. Okay, that adds a weird biological explanation for things that didn't need to be explained, but it doesn't match the tone of what came before it at all.

@Slaker117 said:

@urban_ryoga: Yeah, their are a lot of anachronisms in the ME universe that make it hard to take as "serious" science fiction, but as someone who is very interested and slightly educated in biotechnology, artificial intelligence and robotics, it really annoys me to see those concepts so poorly handled in any kind of fiction.

You'd think since the founders are doctors...

Destroy ending was pretty boiler plate. I kind of liked the synthetic and control endings. Hearing a Reaper Shepard is pretty badass. The reject ending was a nice touch. But seriously, the ship has sailed on all this, Bioware should of just moved on.

@golguin said:

I just finished watching all 4 endings and I am happy with my original choice of Synthesis. Civilization survives and gets an upgrade via the green powers ability to alter the structure of DNA into a synthetic hybrid. The Reapers share the knowledge of the cultures that came before it and the galaxy flourishes.

The Refuse ending was pretty interesting since people complained there was no ending that said "fuck you" to the choices provided. However, I don't believe people can complain that the only result from that action would be the loss of the current cycle. There was simply no way to win. The Liara VI helping the next cycle finally win was a great touch and the new Stargazer proved that all their efforts were not in vain.

Yeah really, that reject ending was fucking bitching. Over all I thought the concept of the indoctrination theory as an ending was beyond incredible and these new endings are pretty great too. As far as video games go I can't think of any that ends on such a note to sum up the universe of its existence.

i thought the refusing ending was prett ygreat overall. i choose the control ending and i thought shepard using the reapers to rebuild society was pretty ok as well. i think this was a better choice and should have been in the game to being with.

also how do you unlock the synthesis ending i did not unlock it somehow

I felt that the Destroy and Reject ending was the best ones mostly because it fits in with the way my story was told and the way the mass effect universe logic works (Mostly). Still the dues ex machina is still around which was the thing I had a problem with the endings in general. Really, Bioware just needed to add those missing bits in to make the ending run smooth, instead of having us question it.

Before: All endings were the same plothole ridden bullshit

Now: Refuse is interesting

controle and synt are fine and well explained with only 1 major plot hole

destroy is still plothole ridden bullshit but now it's explained, animal house plothole ridden bullshit

so if you chose that one, sucks for you I guess lol

@NTM said:

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

@NTM said:

One last thing. As fantastic an experience I had with the series, I don't think the ending of this is quite good enough to warrant a recommendation for someone who hasn't played any of these games and wants to see it through. I think by now, going through it would seem wrong, unless you went through it without any idea and experienced it as most did.

Your Crazy! The whole series as a whole is amazing, by missing this series who would miss the introduction to the world in 1, the story of putting together a team and some of the best characters in games to take on a intense final mission and ME3 where you unite the species to fight the reapers. I regret nothing about the 200+ hours ive put in with my various playthoughs. There is something amazing about choices I made in 2007 being realized in 2012.

Ha ha, no, I didn't say I regretted it, I just said from someone that hasn't played it, and if they were to ask me, I wouldn't be able to recommend it because of the ending. I would simply say play it because it's a great experience, and you'd love the world and characters, but don't do it because you want and hope for a fantastic ending. I didn't mean I regretted it. I also don't mean the ending sucks, but I think it'd be worse for those that haven't yet played it and if they now start it, they'd probably hope for something better in the end of their long journey. I've played way over 200 hours of this series, and for me personally, I didn't regret any of it. I guess I should have been slightly more clear about what I was saying.

But then they miss out of the ending of 1 and 2. 3's not even that bad I was ok with it before hand, I just watched my extended ending on Youtube and it was great. There are so many storys that get wrapped up though out the course of the game. Characters on your team die because of your decisions, you can miss one of the greatest characters in Wrex by killing him in ME1, the last mission of ME2 when you can lose 90% of your team. I could not recommend someone playing though the ME series enough. In 10 years when people look back at the 360 console I think 2 series will be remembered COD and ME. Also what other game has had a ending so argued over, theorys coming out, so much debate Bioware went back to work and put out a 2gb patch to extend the ending to please the fans. I can't really think of any decent ending where I was like fuck yeah! But the end of ME3 I was so into it, running towards the reaper, that scene between Shepard, Anderson and Illusive man is the greatest voice acting I've heard in a game, thinking you died and being transported to the Catalyst jumping into the beam to combine synthetic and organic life forms. I've already stated I liked the ending to ME3, the new extended ending puts like a extra 10 minutes of what happened which I am really grateful for.

After having watched the Reject ending with the extra explanatory dialogue and the Control ending, I have to say that the game is better off having at least the option of rejection. Does this path lead to a happy ending? No, but that's not the point. The point is that it was at least Bioware's acknowledgement that not everyone's Shepard would settle for the three flavors of outcome that the Catalyst tried to spoon-feed the player.

This is not to say that this is a good ending as told, or that the extended Synthesis/Control/Destroy endings have improved to the point of being good. All of the endings still hinge on the deus ex machina and being asked to accept the idea that Space Child walking up to Shepard and offering three different way to stop the Reapers isn't somehow completely fucking ridiculous. And there's just no getting around that. The plot device at the core of Mass Effect 3's endings are the most damning thing about them.

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

In 10 years when people look back at the 360 console I think 2 series will be remembered COD and ME.

There's so much wrong with that sentence I don't even know where to begin.

Didn't they release statistic data on COD at some point, and it turned out like 80% of people didn't even touch the campaign? There's nothing to be remembered for, other than, "Man, remember when I shot that guy? Yeah, that was something." Plus it's all multiplatform.

When people look back 10 years from now, they're going to remember the 360 for introducing Achievements and microtransactions. It'll be remembered for Gears of War and Halo. Possibly Forza.

Definitely better.

I'll admit that there were three times - the Normandy evac, Starchild's new dialogue wheel, and the Reject option - when I actually burst into laughter. Not necessarily because what I was watching was funny or terrible, but more because I was thinking "OK, Bioware, how are you gonna patch this part up? Oh wow, like that? Damn."

They did a pretty decent job overall. The evacuation of your two squad mates was a bit clunky, what with Harbinger apparently being gracious enough to allow Shepard a moment with his love interest. Although I do agree with @Hailinel that the core idea behind the endings are the biggest problem, given what they had to work with, I think they mostly managed to salvage it.

Hopefully the inevitable Dragon Age 3 will mark a reverse in course for the company.

I think it's much better, they may have gotten away with it if this was what they delivered originally.

But I also think that it's a Straw house. It does not bear it's own weight on closer inspection. I've already spent hours writing on this (elsewhere), so I'm going to be brief... but I think I've arrived at the conclusion that either A) Bioware hasn't done that inspection themselves. B) Bioware has a set of beliefs about what the difference between Organic and Synthetic life is which I don't share, which makes it impossible for me to agree with their conclusion. And that's a bit of a shame!

So, yeah. I don't know. The new cut is probably better than I expected, but the Star Child is still bad and stupid, and I feel like the big reveal is still Bioware going "Eeeh... we couldn't quite piece it together, so here, have some vague semi-religious commentary... definitely pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."

I just want to give a big "I TOLD YOU SO!" to all the Indoctrination theory idiots. You know who you are. Eat it, son. Eat it!

My favorite part of all this is when they revealed that Shepard's first name was actually Commander.

Why does Sheppard wake up in some rubble after picking renegade options when talking to the illusive man and choosing destruction. Is that supposed to be after the destruction somehow.

They all showcase poor writing, still I can't rag on them too much considering the gigantic hole of the original endings they have somewhat managed to dig out of.

I still don't understand how they let the original endings go through. It's like all the people with talent in BioWare called in sick to go skiing for a couple of weeks.

Refuse is the best.

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

@NTM said:

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

@NTM said:

One last thing. As fantastic an experience I had with the series, I don't think the ending of this is quite good enough to warrant a recommendation for someone who hasn't played any of these games and wants to see it through. I think by now, going through it would seem wrong, unless you went through it without any idea and experienced it as most did.

Your Crazy! The whole series as a whole is amazing, by missing this series who would miss the introduction to the world in 1, the story of putting together a team and some of the best characters in games to take on a intense final mission and ME3 where you unite the species to fight the reapers. I regret nothing about the 200+ hours ive put in with my various playthoughs. There is something amazing about choices I made in 2007 being realized in 2012.

Ha ha, no, I didn't say I regretted it, I just said from someone that hasn't played it, and if they were to ask me, I wouldn't be able to recommend it because of the ending. I would simply say play it because it's a great experience, and you'd love the world and characters, but don't do it because you want and hope for a fantastic ending. I didn't mean I regretted it. I also don't mean the ending sucks, but I think it'd be worse for those that haven't yet played it and if they now start it, they'd probably hope for something better in the end of their long journey. I've played way over 200 hours of this series, and for me personally, I didn't regret any of it. I guess I should have been slightly more clear about what I was saying.

But then they miss out of the ending of 1 and 2. 3's not even that bad I was ok with it before hand, I just watched my extended ending on Youtube and it was great. There are so many storys that get wrapped up though out the course of the game. Characters on your team die because of your decisions, you can miss one of the greatest characters in Wrex by killing him in ME1, the last mission of ME2 when you can lose 90% of your team. I could not recommend someone playing though the ME series enough. In 10 years when people look back at the 360 console I think 2 series will be remembered COD and ME. Also what other game has had a ending so argued over, theorys coming out, so much debate Bioware went back to work and put out a 2gb patch to extend the ending to please the fans. I can't really think of any decent ending where I was like fuck yeah! But the end of ME3 I was so into it, running towards the reaper, that scene between Shepard, Anderson and Illusive man is the greatest voice acting I've heard in a game, thinking you died and being transported to the Catalyst jumping into the beam to combine synthetic and organic life forms. I've already stated I liked the ending to ME3, the new extended ending puts like a extra 10 minutes of what happened which I am really grateful for.

I agree.

I kind of love the Reject ending even though it's a big fuck-you ending. I'm glad that the cycle of the Reapers' destruction continues on. There's no way we should've won that war conventionally, so of course we would lose. Destroy and Control are greatly improved. Synthesis is still fucking stupid. 
 
The magical star child is still totally stupid and the ending of the game feels so disjointed from the rest of the series. The logic of the catalyst is still totally wrong by everything the series has been up to that point. It's still lazy writing and all that. The controversy was still totally valid. But after seeing some closure, and seeing that Reject ending, and seeing that the universe, will, in fact, go on in the other endings, I feel much more at ease about how the Mass Effect trilogy has ended. It's better.

The EC is great but people will bitch because at this point they just want to hate Bioware. Anyway I still think they should have left it alone, the ending wasn't great but it wasn't THAT bad, as a friend of mine says it was just the internet behaving like the internet x5 times.

I dunno. Maybe because I was a control ending guy, but I felt a lot better about it all. Then again, I didn't hate the original ending as much as others. I still found them cold, bleak and abrupt, but they did all I really wanted, which was suggest what comes next after the reapers. Endings extended or not, it was still 99% a good game, though not as good as 2. I'm satisfied enough now. Perfect? No. but at least I can feel it's over now.

@Mr_Skeleton said:

The EC is great but people will bitch because at this point they just want to hate Bioware.

Yes, literally no one on the planet is incapable of not liking these endings, every single person who "dislikes them" is actually just pretending and they just hate a company and choose to dislike something they do because they don't like them for whatever reason and continue to play their products so as to be informed when carrying out their vendetta.

Brilliant.

The endings deliver what Bioware promised--essentially an extended cut, which fills in some of the big complaints (like, for instance, how the Normandy ended up where it did). Those hoping for a big change were always going to be disappointed. For me--since my complaints were primarily about wrapping up a few loose ends rather than the content of the ending itself--the added bits satisfied most of my concerns.
 
I will say I found the new ending to be the most interesting (and compelling) of the four, and I was happy that Bioware recognized the possibility of outright defiance. And the growling voice ... well, it implies something about the nature of the choices offered that the original three didn't (and which, I think, many of us recognized)--that they were all bullshit. That the kid at the end had motivations beyond what we could see. Giving us an option to call the bluff, so-to-speak, was pretty cool.
 
As someone earlier said, Mass Effect always stumbled on the big story moments. And in the end the whole cycle of violence between synthetic life and organic life was way too much a rehash of Battlestar Galactica for my taste. (Honestly, most of the plot points of Mass Effect were recycled from recent SF). I think the new endings wrapped up the characters well enough to make me happy. I doubt that's true of everyone, though.

@onan said:

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

In 10 years when people look back at the 360 console I think 2 series will be remembered COD and ME.

There's so much wrong with that sentence I don't even know where to begin.

Didn't they release statistic data on COD at some point, and it turned out like 80% of people didn't even touch the campaign? There's nothing to be remembered for, other than, "Man, remember when I shot that guy? Yeah, that was something." Plus it's all multiplatform.

When people look back 10 years from now, they're going to remember the 360 for introducing Achievements and microtransactions. It'll be remembered for Gears of War and Halo. Possibly Forza.

Whats wrong with that? Millions like to shoot that guy and its the most popular game. Multiplayer became big during the 360. Halo will be remembered for the Xbox 1, Your right about gears though.

I absolutely loathe the new endings. I did synthesis before and now and the new ending entails exactly the same things the old one did. The only difference is that the new one goes on full blown "explain it to these retards" exposition mode. First they show every single thing that happens chronologically (to all the races, in the battle on the ground, even the explicitly given order to retreat) and then the go and give another 5 minutes of spoken recap so that even a braindead thing under a rock would grasp what happened.

And with all of this the ending becomes so tedious and overblown that all impact it had for me in the original cut is lost.

There's an odd dynamic here with these extended endings that was damned near unavoidable. Some who disliked the endings are now upset that the new endings were tailored to answer their questions, and weren't somehow more organic and natural. Those who were more kindly disposed to the endings in the first place are mostly happy with the extended cut. The result? Some of those who were the loudest critics are less happy now than they were then, and those who were content before (and less likely to desire an extended ending) are happier. If you demand that a game get a new and/or extended ending to answer questions, patch plot holes, etc., don't be surprised when they give you an ending that does just that. I thought some bits were a bit pedantic, but when you look at some of the itemized lists of criticisms, it's difficult to imagine the extended endings coming out any differently.
 
I wouldn't even want to guess what kind of lesson Bioware will pull from all this, but I know what I'd take from it: with many gamers, even going out of your way to make them happy can be counterproductive. Some gamers like being unhappy and angry. It's nice to see that many critics have taken the endings for what they were, even if they're still not happy overall. Bioware tried, which is more than most companies would do. They get credit for that from me, even if I wish their writing were better overall to the point that we wouldn't need to be arguing over it.

Mass Effect 3: PowerPoint

Now that this silly stuff is over with, Bioware just needs to fix the ending for Kotor2 now. I'd prefer them to just create a ton of endings for all their games (created or going to create) where some are normal endings & add in a few just off the wall crazy endings (like one ending of mass effect3 being the main character from Jade Empire waking from a dream about ME3, explaining it to friends then going off to fight the end boss in that game).

@haggis said:

There's an odd dynamic here with these extended endings that was damned near unavoidable. Some who disliked the endings are now upset that the new endings were tailored to answer their questions, and weren't somehow more organic and natural. Those who were more kindly disposed to the endings in the first place are mostly happy with the extended cut. The result? Some of those who were the loudest critics are less happy now than they were then, and those who were content before (and less likely to desire an extended ending) are happier. If you demand that a game get a new and/or extended ending to answer questions, patch plot holes, etc., don't be surprised when they give you an ending that does just that. I thought some bits were a bit pedantic, but when you look at some of the itemized lists of criticisms, it's difficult to imagine the extended endings coming out any differently. I wouldn't even want to guess what kind of lesson Bioware will pull from all this, but I know what I'd take from it: with many gamers, even going out of your way to make them happy can be counterproductive. Some gamers like being unhappy and angry. It's nice to see that many critics have taken the endings for what they were, even if they're still not happy overall. Bioware tried, which is more than most companies would do. They get credit for that from me, even if I wish their writing were better overall to the point that we wouldn't need to be arguing over it.

The lesson is, don't wait until the last four months to figure out how your five year saga should end (after losing your best writer no less).

Also never end a game in the middle of a failed dream sequence.

Oh, and Mac Walters sucks.

I would have preferred if They stuck with indoctrination theory (which was awesome),but alas. These new endings gives us way closure than the original one.
More plot holes than before, and the geth gets bad endings no matter what .

I fucking love them. I didn't mind the original endings, but the new synthesis was awesome.

I never would have ended the series this way and I absolutely loathed the older endings. They completely botched the ending, which a success would have made this the Star Wars of our generation. Now that things were explained, I can at least enjoy the ending though. Plot holes were filled and that's all I ever wanted, some closure. Too bad about EDI and the Geth though, since I refuse to just become space Jesus or give everyone green eyes. The Extended Cut was a thumbs up in my opinion.

Here we go again...

I'm not sure how anyone could fix KOTOR 2 beyond actually finishing it.

@depecheload:

Honestly, I saw the extended cut, and I came away with the impression that the star child WAS the problem that his creators created him to solve (in a sense). His creators have problems with AI, they create the program to solve the problem. The new AI comes to the conclusion that organics and synthetics cannot live together, and funcions for tens of thousands of years on this premise, destroying all races, including his creators.

I take this from the statement where the Starchild says that his creators were displeased with his analysis, and resisted him, but he harvested them and turned them into reapers in the end anyhow.

As stupid as the endings are, the Extended Cut made them much more bearable.

Really, really enjoyed the extra dialog with the Catalyst. It truly answer some question I had lingering around. Specially about the reapers's version of synthesis ( husks, etc), who made them reapers and what happened to them. It got a lot of criticism about it being a"wrong" argument, but I think that was the point...The reapers tried to make a synthesis solution on their own, and ended up with an incomplete version because the catalyst itself is synthetic.

The catalyst was created for a set purpose, but then decided to act in a different way because it was the logical thing to do...Making their creators the first ones to be destroyed. So it speaks and thinks from a one sided perspective, on a self-fulliling prophecy.

You can argue with it's logic, but it admits to be wrong and presents this "options" as something that was made because of the crucible not because of itself being a god figure.So in the end, the crucible was made to either control, destroy or synthesize...which is what previous generations wanted.

I understand if some people are still upset with the whole thing, but a least I can distance myself from them and look forward for whatever comes next with honest enthusiasm.