I'm not sure what you mean by "no native first person view."

With any weapon (or even no weapon at all) Hold L1 then hit Triangle. Now you're in first person view.
 
 And there's a setting in the option menu called "Remember First Person View" Which means, if enabled, if you did the steps above, all you would need to do is hold L1 and you would be in first person view right away without having to constantly switch to first person view if that is your preferred view.
 
Snake is old because he is a genetically modified clone. Not because of nanomachines.
Snake can still move like he does because the octocamo suit he wears acts as a muscle suit.
 
FOXDIE is transferred through the air. Unless you're talking about when Drebin injected Snake, then it was transferred through injection along WITH nanomachines, not because of them.
 
These are all mentioned in the story.
 
Also, what is "Westernized gameplay" and "Japanese Gameplay?"

Nanomachines = The Force. 
 
Everything will make sense.

" Nanomachines = The Force.  Everything will make sense. "

Still one of my favorite games of all time, Snake was like an older brother I never had when I was a kid I felt the game was a good send off to a series that was already wayyy to convoluted and a break from the trend of game storylines never ending and being milked to death. 
 

Yes but so are a lot of things. 
Why replace good memories with bad, even if they are rightfully bad.

Wow, an argument that actually has facts! 2 years old but still, something worth a read. I'll probably finish reading it tomorrow so I'll just bookmark it. I read until the hair part but some things you said before that are true. Compared to Uncharted, the graphics do look like shit. Wow, I liked it though. It wasn't all that bad, I just think it should've been made into a movie seeming the cutscenes were long as hell and when you got to the gameplay part, you'd play for 5 minutes and enter another 30 minute cutscene. Also, the load times, ugh.

I guess you can nitpick it as much as you want, and I'll admit all your complaints are true, but I think you can probably write an equally long list of complaints about any game.
 
MGS4 brought me back to the joy of what it was like to play videogames when I was a little kid, and it is quite possibly my favorite game of all time, I think it was the best possible conclusion to the series.

You complain about the stupidest shit.

This thread has been necroed 3 times now.  Can we just lay it to rest already.

" I certainly don't trust Kojima anymore after Portable Ops and MGS4 "

Well, looking back at this eight month old piece, it isn't extremely well written (language-wise). I guess looking back on things you tend to pick out the faults in sentence structure more readily.
 
Nevertheless, all the points seem more valid than they did a year ago. It's heartening to see the popular tide seems to have turned well in the direction I argue for. No surprise, since the game isn't really all that special. Few bigger scandals, at least for me, than the fact that this game got all those perfect scores and even a game of the year award.
 
Perhaps I'll do some copy editing, clean this up, and re-release it with several new problems that I missed out in the original.

I do not agree. 
 
Thought I won't argue that the move away from stealth gameplay was a bit of a bummer.

Having been following the let's play MGS4 by Chip & Ironicus, I'd say this game is as good or better than all the previous ones. Personally I'd rather watch it rather than play it, just like the older ones, but it's still great entertainment.

I remember reading this ages ago.
It's still nitpicky bullshit.

Way to waste energy on negativity, years after the fact, when people already know whether or not they like the game and why.

Most of these are pretty insignificant things that don't really effect much at all, and another good third of them are strictly opinions. You did raise some good points, but most were either wrong, an opinion, or just insignificant.

After a quick skimming of the original post, it seems that almost everything you said was an opinion. An opinion that I happen to feel is in the broadest strokes, valid. But an opinion none-the-less.

For lazy people like me the conclusion is : If you nickpick every game then every game is not as nowhere near as good as you think

Wow. What an argumentative article of yours.

I think many of your points are non-issues. The only thing that really stood out to me about MGS4 were the in-plane mission briefings. Those could've been handled better.

Finished it yesterday and I think it's pretty awesome.

OP:

Yes, MGS4 is not the greatest game of all time, yes, it has many flaws, yes, it could have been incredibly better if some of the shortcomings you mentioned had been addressed before release; but your post reads most of the time like a rant than an opinion and therefore loses some (if not most) of its appeal to me. I suggest next time you do a post like this to please try to remove the emotional sentences, it takes a lot of seriousness out from the article.

@ZanzibarBreeze: What gives you the right to tell me I'm wrong in thinking MGS4 was a great game?   

@Snapstacle: I actually hated MGS3. Great gameplay, Horribly dumb, dumb, dumb story. Dumber than MGS4.

MGS1 still is the best in the series.

@mxdirector said:

@jams said:

@ZanzibarBreeze: What gives you the right to tell me I'm wrong in thinking MGS4 was a great game?

That's a closed minded statement. People express opinions whether negative or positive to open people up to new ideas and ways of looking at things. How many times have you heard people say "I've never thought about it like that". People's opinions can educate us, and dismissing opinions you disagree with is extremely stubborn and closed minded of you. The person has made an argument for justifying his opinion, if you can prove him wrong on some things, that's great. If he has said some things you disagree with, that's great. But if there's something there that you didn't think about before and you gained from his post, then that is also great. It works both ways, your opinions can engage with others and heighten their knowledge or interest in a subject. I can't believe the amount of times I've had to explain opinions and their benefits to people on the internet.

Are you telling me he is trying to "heighten my knowledge on the subject". By trying to convince me a game that I enjoyed wasn't actually any good and that even though things like load times didn't bother me, they actually didn't? What am I supposed to come out of this with? Me, "Oh I guess I really did have a bad time because some guy on the internet explained how long X feature of game is bad. My mind has been opened and I know see more clearly."

He isn't expressing his opinion. He's trying to force it down my throat. It's right in the title. "Why MGS4 isn't as good as you think" aka "You don't know what a good game is but I do, here's why".

I disagree on every single point you made.

He isn't expressing his opinion. He's trying to force it down my throat. It's right in the title. "Why MGS4 isn't as good as you think" aka "You don't know what a good game is but I do, here's why".

• "But again, I do not think Metal Gear Solid 4 is a bad game. Anybody arguing that Metal Gear Solid 4 is a bad game is plainly incorrect. Simply put, it is consumed by its flaws and it is not as good as some have suggested."
• "Finally, the following is purely opinion. I personally believe that it is all fact, that it is all gospel, and that I am entirely correct – this I believe in my own mind. . . . I do not want to destroy Metal Gear Solid 4 for you. The fact that I do not like it does not change the fact that you may like it, that it may be one of your favorite games. I am simply promoting one argument and opinion about the game. Most of it may happen to be factually true, but you may feel like you can forgive the flaws in the story, and the flaws in the gameplay. I am less forgiving."

Are you trying to tell me that you aren't nit picking? You tried to point out bad textures here, but I spent a good couple of minutes trying to even see what you are trying to point out...

@ZanzibarBreeze:

@Fluxxed said:

I remember reading this ages ago. It's still nitpicky bullshit.

I think there maybe some slight nit picking on the graphics front, but I fucking hate MGS4 also, one of the worst experiences I have ever had playing a video game. I know I know weird, I suck etc but I really had a bad time playing it!

@ZanzibarBreeze: The fact that you had to zoom in that much to even give an idea of what it is you're pointing out doesn't exactly speak well to your argument.

I don't disagree with your view, because everyone takes the games differently. I do, however, disagree with how you presented it in the title. Why try and persuade everyone that an experience that they fondly remember is incorrect? Seems like a dumb way to try and get your opinion out there. Still, sorry you had such a bad experience.

Great summary. MGS4 is overrated garbage; I will never understand its appeal.

Whether people agree or disagree with the opening it was incredibly well put together and organized. Kudos to that.

you do not have the qualifications to exercise free will. have you learnt nothing from mgs2

Wow, this is old.  
 
Anyway, I played MGS4 for the first time last year... I'm pretty sure it's great.

Hmm. I actually have to agree with a lot of the points you make, but I still fucking love Metal Gear Solid 4. In fact its probably for the same reasons I love Deadly Premonition, even though that's by all means a terrible game.

EDIT: Oh... didn't see how old this thread is. Ehh my point still stands.

The worst in the series by far, in fact it ruins the series so much that I ignore it happened, just like the Star Wars prequels.

I love the amount of time and thought people put into trying to convince others something they enjoy isn't good.

Well, I didn't think MGS4 was that good. I always thought MGS1 and MGS3 were better than MGS2 and MGS4.

You lost my attention when you tried to call out bad textures in a 7 year-old game.

Kill this thread. Take it out back, and end it‘s suffering.

My fav part is how the original post tries to say the game would have been better had it been on the 360 as well.

Hahahaha, thanks I needed this. Fucking ludicrous.

Let me talk to you about Deadly Premonition, a game that lets you choose whether you want to shave or not!

wait a minute.. someone resurrected this from years ago? Kill it with fire!