@hone_mcbone: Unfortunately, or fortunately, I wasn't around for the major arcade scene stage of gaming.
@popogeejo: Labeling what is and isn't rogue-like at this point in time is, somewhat, an argument for semantics. The games I listed have rogue-like elements; just as shooters all have different elements within themselves yet remain a shooter.
@believer258: I get what developers are trying to do, and it just isn't appealing to me. I can still learn mechanics when things are listed; BoI doesn't do that, it just sets you up to your own devices and while that may be the appeal it is simply too undefined.
This whole MB prompts me to question our learning methods. Individuals who are into rougelikes seem to enjoy the grinding educational tract, while I, on the other hand, enjoy both learning by grinding and learning by rule sets. I wonder what this says about human beings and their, 'real world,' methods of learning and understanding the world around them; based off of their enjoyment or disdain for roguelikes.
Spore is my all-time greatest gaming disappointment. I dreamed of all the great things I could create in that game only to find that it was far more shallower than I had presumed.
The creature creator in the main game hardly lived up to what Will Wright had shown in his promos and press events. It was like a sticker party. You just selected from a conglomeration of different parts and slapped them onto a putty beast.
The civilization stage was awful as well. I was expecting a chance to build up a civilization, like in Civ but it, again, was all face value. War with those vehicles was so awful. It was simply a throw-a-bunch-of-units-at-each-other style of gameplay; which is incredibly boring.
The space, the crown of my sadness, led nowhere interesting. It, too, was rather shallow, leaving the player to explore the void and to face an enemy that wasn't that demoralizing; those Grox were more annoying than anything else.
Clearly there is a community behind these games that I am not apart of, and many of you have highlighted my exact opinions on the genre; good and bad. However, I'm still not sold on what games like Rogue Legacy and The Binding of Issac do. I'm, however, now, more interested in The Dungeons of Dredmor and will give it another go when I get the chance.
As for the Divinity tangent, I'll take another look at its reception and its gameplay, but I'm still wary of what that game has to offer based on my past experience; as I've stated.
@believer258: I dislike Rogue Legacy for the same reasons you disliked it. It wasn't based on a players skill, it was gear and class based. The Binding of Issac's mechanics were based on pattern. You could observe a creature attack pattern and learn from it. Issac also had loot pick ups that were random and did little to mark what they actually did; an internet source was needed to know what each item pick-up did and how to properly use it. That is two faults in two well know rogue-like-like-likes.
@fisk0: I understand how the learning process works and I even enjoy it, but I feel that, upfront, developers do little to exemplify what is needed to be done. e.g. the item pickups in The Binding of Issac; you do not know what they do until you use them or pick them up.
@ghostiet: Based on my past experiences with other Divinity games I have the absolute right to say I am not confident in how good it is. I didn't like the other Divinity games and I probably wouldn't like that one. On top of that, I don't want to shovel out 50+$ for a game that I may or may not like and that doesn't appeal to me and what my sense of a good RPG is, e.g. Dragon Age: Origins, Skyrim, Oblivion.
@believer258: I, as well, enjoy the concept of how they teach you the game, but I think that what rogue-likes have done so far to highlight their mechanics is done rather poorly; especially in games that have you restarting every time you die.
@dagas: Exactly. It's not really about the difficulty. It's more about the chances you get to understand the game are so far and few between that the game become a conservative bore. i.e. I simply lack the desire to learn about a game through my fault with the game when it restarts me every time. I have better things to do.