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money, relative value

$15 a month for a game, no.
$25 a month for a cell phone, no. 
$12 for a movie, no.
$7 to eat out a few times a month, okay.
$60 for a game every half year, okay. 
$12 000 a year for school, okay... wait what?
 
dam school is expensive... sort of feels like i'm cheating my parents by not trying hard enough or when there's a jewish holiday and over half the class doesn't come to school when I do and the teacher doesn't teach and i feel really lame.  money...ugh.

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$15 a month for a game, no.
$25 a month for a cell phone, no. 
$12 for a movie, no.
$7 to eat out a few times a month, okay.
$60 for a game every half year, okay. 
$12 000 a year for school, okay... wait what?
 
dam school is expensive... sort of feels like i'm cheating my parents by not trying hard enough or when there's a jewish holiday and over half the class doesn't come to school when I do and the teacher doesn't teach and i feel really lame.  money...ugh.

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@AURON570 said:

" $0 a month for a game, yes. $30 prepaid wal-mart phone, yes.  $7.50 - 9 for a movie, meh. Could sneak into next one. $1 McDonalds Menu, okay. $0 for a game every half year, Hell yeah.  $60 Mod Chip, Yes! $12 000 a year for school, Alright. School is pretty much like that... "

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I'm so happy I'm not paying for school. 
 
Yet.

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The cost of education is inflated by the lack of real competition in the marketplace. It's not your fault the education system is corrupt, but that doesn't mean education is worthless or that knowledge lacks value.

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Private school is a joke.

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@torus said:
" Private school is a joke. "
It is as much of a joke as Public School is.
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@teh_destroyer said:

" @torus said:

" Private school is a joke. "

It is as much of a joke as Public School is. "
I don't buy it. A friend of mine teaches at a private school in New Jersey, and it's a mess. The students feel like they own the place, and can essentially choose their grade. In one case, a kid didn't know any of the answers on a test, so he threw it out after class (she saw him do it). When she was handing back the tests, and he didn't get his, the kid acted like she lost it, and went to the guidance counselor, who forced her to give him an A. 
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@torus: Bullshit occurs in public schools also, except it happens on an industrial scale. The beauty of private education is that a gap in demand creates the opportunity for educators to provide alternatives.
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@Suicrat said:
" @torus: Bullshit occurs in public schools also, except it happens on an industrial scale. The beauty of private education is that a gap in demand creates the opportunity for educators to provide alternatives. "
Where's the incentive? Private school teachers get paid less, and more is demanded of them.
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@torus: Private education recognizes the right of disgruntled teachers to form their own schools. 
 
I have no reason to sympathize with a person who settles for mere employment in an endeavour. If they're truly passionate about their industry of choice their goal should be entrepreneurship.
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@Suicrat said:
" @torus: Private education recognizes the right of disgruntled teachers to form their own schools.   I have no reason to sympathize with a person who settles for mere employment in an endeavour. If they're truly passionate about their industry of choice their goal should be entrepreneurship. "
I completely agree with you in principle. From what I understand however, the reality is that it doesn't work too well, because the parents are treated like shareholders, and therefore can do whatever they like- even at the expense of kid's education.
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@torus: That is why the children need to be treated as the holders of the (most important) shares, and the parents as surités.
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@Suicrat said:
" @torus: That is why the children need to be treated as the holders of the (most important) shares, and the parents as surités. "
How do you make that happen? 
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@torus: By explaining how your school works to both parents and their children. Parents who don't want their children to be the guides of their own lives probably won't want their children to attend my school in the first place... but of course, I haven't even gotten my teaching certificate, so all this discussion on my part is admittedly a little premature.
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@Suicrat said:
" @torus: By explaining how your school works to both parents and their children. Parents who don't want their children to be the guides of their own lives probably won't want their children to attend my school in the first place... but of course, I haven't even gotten my teaching certificate, so all this discussion on my part is admittedly a little premature. "
Sounds like a worthy goal; there definitely are kids who would thrive in such a school, the trouble is finding them. Another friend of mine teaches at a Jewish seminary in New York, where she teaches high-school aged kids who are really dedicated to their studies. You have to admit though, when discussing the realities of private education, it's not the case that most schools are truly dedicated to that philosophy. They are businesses (which happen to be doing quite poorly right now, incidentally).
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@torus: I think the problem lies not in that they are businesses, but in that they lose sight of what their product is (i.e., it's not the student, but the student's education) and who their customer is (i.e., it's not the parent, but the child), and how important the service they are providing is (i.e., it will play a major role in shaping their customer's life for good or ill).
 
Irrespective of where the money comes to provide a child's education, the educator's objective should be to help the child maximize their level of understanding of the world, and the specific aspects of the world about which the child is most passionately concerned.
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@Suicrat:
I remember hearing about a school in northern Israel (I forget the name now) that is run that way- the kids choose their own learning path, and their education is tailored to that interest. I have no idea how well it works, but I believe it's part of a cooperative community.
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Private school is a waste of money. The fact that you went to private school or what you learn in private school becomes irrelevant once you enter university. 

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@torus: What we need is more room for more experiments in living, so people can evaluate different people's ideas being practiced, and choose for themselves, their loved ones, and their families the best way to live their lives. 
 
To me, the socialist kibbutzim is just as much an expression of capitalistic free will as any other voluntarily-formed, unsubsidized corporation, but I know my anarcho-socialist friends hate me for saying that ;)
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@Suicrat said:
" @torus:To me, the socialist kibbutzim is just as much an expression of capitalistic free will as any other voluntarily-formed, unsubsidized corporation, but I know my anarcho-socialist friends hate me for saying that ;) "  
I've never thought of it it that way; I'm inclined not to agree, but I don't know why yet.  :P
 
Also, kibbutzim is plural.
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@torus: My mistake, I thought the suffix "im" was like a modifier for type, as in, a kibbutz is the place, and kibbutzim is the form it takes. Thanks for the correction.