banishedsoul1

valve is turning into apple they get a clut take over hypes everything. I love ubuntu its damn sexy and windows sucks donkey balls. But Linux will never be a gaming platfrom. as much as i would love to see windows dead its not going to happen.

@MAGZine said:

@banishedsoul1 said:

@MAGZine said:

So, OP attempts to make the argument that handhelds are dead because they smartphones "cost about the same" and "do as much as a desktop PC".

False, and false.

A 3DS sells for $169. A Galaxy S III Sells for $169 on a 3 year contract. 3 * 12 * $60/mo = $2160. What a steal!

Don't compare smartphones to desktop PCs. what a ridiculous statement. Are you playing Call of Duty on your smartphone? Are you even playing Lego Batman on your smartphone? What an awful argument.

The gaming experience on smartphones suck. Your smartphone, believe it or not, is not primarily a gaming platform. There are several issues that stem from this:

• Poor Battery Life
• Poor controls (touch and gyro only)
• inconsistancy of hardware is a nightmare for game developers
• smartphone games are designed for short bursts of play. Play for a few minutes, quit, play or do something else.
• Your smartphone is a phone so if you kill the battery on your smartphone playing games, you no longer have a phone. So what, you're going to plug it in? Yeah, really portable.

There aren't really very many serious game developers looking to tell any sort of a story or invest in any sort of a game with any complexity past McPixel, Granny Smith or Angry Birds. Games designed for portable gamesystems generally have better gameplay, and gameplay that is conductive to longer playsessions. You might only pay $2.99 for a game on your phone, but if you play it for only a couple hours, how does it stack up against a pokemon game that you invested 40 hours into? You get what you pay for.

And that image you posted is a fucking autrocity. Nobody is going to carry that as a phone, and there aren't enough of those in existence to make it worth while to develop a game with hardware controls in mind.

Terrible argument. Terrible.

poor battery life? you mean like 3-5 hours on 3ds is good? you can use blu tooth controllers with android devices. Oh and yes you can pretty much do anything on a smart phone as a pc. Unless we are talking about heavy duty rendering or something there is an app for it. Omg i can't play call of duty whats a loss.

Why am I even bothering?

The last I checked, smartphones have abysmal batterylife when playing games. Like battery life similar to a 3DS. Except--again--when you kill the battery on your smartphone you no longer have a PHONE. Doesn't that seem sort of important to you? The device inherently limits how long your playsessions can be. B/T Android controllers are moot because nobody has them, and nobody is going to carry that around with their phone. Will never have a large enough install base.

As for "you can do anything with a smartphone as a PC," well... if you think that is even remotely true, then I'll have to be done arguing, because as far as I see it, no argument I make, no matter how solid and detailed, is going to be (supposedly) refuted by some dumb point that makes no sense (like this one that a smartphone can do anything a PC can do).

Stop being ridiculous.

Yes a smart phone can do pretty much any task a desktop can do. Other then work station stuff, it can do everything. That's one reason why people spend 60$ a month so they can get super fast LTE speeds on their phones. Why would they spend all this money if it can't do anything? I can't think of one thing a smart phone can't do that a pc can. i can take photos and edit them and upload them on my phone. I can e mail,facebook,web surf and so on. i can skype on my phone even run Ubuntu on one. Battery life depends on the phone don't lie and act like all phones have bad battery life. 3ds and vita have awful battery life so they have no right to smart phones off.

@MAGZine said:

So, OP attempts to make the argument that handhelds are dead because they smartphones "cost about the same" and "do as much as a desktop PC".

False, and false.

A 3DS sells for $169. A Galaxy S III Sells for $169 on a 3 year contract. 3 * 12 * $60/mo = $2160. What a steal!

Don't compare smartphones to desktop PCs. what a ridiculous statement. Are you playing Call of Duty on your smartphone? Are you even playing Lego Batman on your smartphone? What an awful argument.

The gaming experience on smartphones suck. Your smartphone, believe it or not, is not primarily a gaming platform. There are several issues that stem from this:

• Poor Battery Life
• Poor controls (touch and gyro only)
• inconsistancy of hardware is a nightmare for game developers
• smartphone games are designed for short bursts of play. Play for a few minutes, quit, play or do something else.
• Your smartphone is a phone so if you kill the battery on your smartphone playing games, you no longer have a phone. So what, you're going to plug it in? Yeah, really portable.

There aren't really very many serious game developers looking to tell any sort of a story or invest in any sort of a game with any complexity past McPixel, Granny Smith or Angry Birds. Games designed for portable gamesystems generally have better gameplay, and gameplay that is conductive to longer playsessions. You might only pay $2.99 for a game on your phone, but if you play it for only a couple hours, how does it stack up against a pokemon game that you invested 40 hours into? You get what you pay for.

And that image you posted is a fucking autrocity. Nobody is going to carry that as a phone, and there aren't enough of those in existence to make it worth while to develop a game with hardware controls in mind.

Terrible argument. Terrible.

poor battery life? you mean like 3-5 hours on 3ds is good? you can use blu tooth controllers with android devices. Oh and yes you can pretty much do anything on a smart phone as a pc. Unless we are talking about heavy duty rendering or something there is an app for it. Omg i can't play call of duty whats a loss.

@NegativeCero said:

I thought you were literally talking about hands, in which case this topic would make no sense. On topic: I really hope not. I love handheld games as much as I love console games. I still regularly play my GBA and DS. I hope to get a 3DS is the near future too, so I guess I'm kinda part of the problem of not them not selling enough.

Do you enjoy the pc?

@Sbaitso said:

I just bought a psp-1000 for thirty bucks. It's awesome. I was playing final fantasy tactics on the phone and it was awful. Picked it up for my psp for 5 dollars, and I'm loving it. Not all games are great on traditional handhelds, not all games are great on touch based phones/devices. I think we need both.

what about this?

companies are making android hand helds now that have 1000s of games cheap or free.

Everyone wants smart phones these days. million run out and buy 700 smart phones and nintendo cant even sell 3ds at around 250 same goes for vita. The games are also way cheaper i mean come on 40$ for a vita or 3ds game come on no wonder they are not selling. is it really worth carrying around a hand held when your phone can do everything a desktop pc can do?

it depends if you are a hard core hand held gamer then 3ds is pretty good. But if you play consoles alot more get wii u for sure. i sold my 3ds it is a decent system but i did not play it much.

To me they are pretty much the same thing. One is just wrapped up and had its organs removed and then salted. But they are both undead and reanimated and eat people.

valve has shown disdain for their customers. Its already happen and is still happening. A russian man had to try to sue them just so he could play his 1500$ worth of games. They would not even tell him why they just ban him. They don't even have a support service you can call its all fourm base! They make millions everyday and they cant afford to pay someone 1$ a day in india to help its customers.

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@Demoskinos said:

@AhmadMetallic Gabe has already stated that they have a deadman switch if they went down. And like Jeff said on the bombcast if they do shut down its not going to dissapear overnight. And im sure a game plan would be put forth. To make sure customers were taken care of. Can't say im worried at least on PC side of things seeing how console makers handle this sort of stuff will be the real interesting thing.

who cares what he said how do we know he will fallow up with it?

And how do you know they won't?

Don't worry guys! your 1000$ worth of games is safe because one guy in a company said so! Just like sony said 120fps 4d graphics with dual display!

You know what? I could formulate a response to the effect of "Valve has yet to show any sort of disdain for its customers so why would they screw them over if such a scenario were to occur", but you've already proven that you are beyond reasonable debate and argument and are like those people on the internet who constantly ask President Obama to show his birth certificate despite the fact that it has been released to the public for the last 4 years.

you have proven you will support steam no matter what happens.