Ben_H

" @Rayeth said:

" @Wunder_: 

FYI, If you missed it you can watch State of the Game on JP's blip.tv  at  http://itmejp.blip.tv

SotG is a great podcast as well.  It was at one point audio only, but has since added the video portion.  You can still subscribe to the audio only version via RSS somewhere, but I can't find it atm.

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even though it's just them looking a their webcam, i can't just listen to the audio one anymore "

" @Ben_H said:

" @thejamster said:

" well i guess we'll have to see if the patch changes make a difference or not. "

Apparently it does make a fairly big difference and will open tons of new builds.  If you go for a robo you are guaranteed at least one immortal (two with chronoboost) and more chronoboosted gateway units, which makes it miles easier to hold off 4gates, especially if they are stalker heavy. "

The new patch will totally change the timing of pretty much all protoss builds... I've stopped 4gating and got 3gate robo when I can... you can easily hold 4gate with the robo and then you can start collosus production alot earlia than the guy who 4gates.But yeah every PvP I play ends up with 4gate to start off with, then sit back and max out, get a big ball and a-click into the other guys ball and hope you win.... laame "

" well i guess we'll have to see if the patch changes make a difference or not. "

" @Donos said:

" @Cataphract1014 said:

" I think instead of a flat decrease on gateway unit build times, they should leave them alone and leave warp gate alone, but once warp gate is finished, gateway units build faster out of warp gates.Makes proxy gates the same to defend and it helps the defender in 4gate.  Once warp gate is done, you get units in you base faster than he gets units warping in.  That plus the pylon change, means that the defender could possibly do something besides a defensive 4gate to defend against a 4gate. "

What about this is really better than the current change? Assuming the point is to widen the range of available strategies, the current change makes non-warpgate openings more viable, which is quite a lot. What you're proposing might make other builds more viable as well, but at the cost of effectively removing early warpgate attacks from the game. "

Proxy gate could turn out to be powerful again.  That is why the zealot build time changes so much.  Proxy gates. "

I'm no expert in rap or hip hop but I've been listening to a lot of these lately. (Warning the backing tracky-thing of the first song is infectious.  I've listened to that song like 15 times today)

I just realized pylon radius will also mess up cannon rushes to an extent as it will take more pylons for the cannons to get into firing range.  YES

I never really listened to TB's youtube stuff but I do enjoy him quite a bit on IPL.  It is more play-by-play than analysis but sometimes I like that better, just sit back and enjoy the game instead of worrying about all possible outcomes and calling when the game is done before it actually is.

" @Ben_H said:

" Stolen from TL:

Patch 16: Zealot build time increased from 33 to 38.

Patch 17: Zealot build time decreased from 38 to 33. 

Patch 1.1.0: Zealot build time increased from 33 to 38.

Patch 1.3.3: Zealot train time decreased from 38 to 33.

They need to make up their minds.  I would have left zealot as it was and shortened build time for sentry and stalker only.

The only maps proxy gate zealot rushes will really work on are maps with close positions like Metalopolis, Slag Pits, Delta Quadrant, Shattered Temple, etc where you can scout much faster.  On the newer maps the scout distances are so big the timing window for zealots rushes to work will be much smaller.


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It also works pretty well on 2 player maps and Shakuras Plateau.  But if the keep adding new maps over time it should become less of a problem.

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Stolen from TL:

" @Ben_H said:

" Idra said Losira is basically an even more macro focused version of him.  Losira will soon be like Nestea mk.II if he keeps improving. "

 Nestea said Losira was the kind of player who you'd show one thing, and he'd learn 10 new things. He's growing really quickly. Hopefully he makes it far in this GSL! "