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@brotherbran: do you even need a processor upgrade?

shouldn't a socket 1155 i5 ( 2500k or 3570k ) run pretty much everything anyway?

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#2  Edited By Devildoll
@nudimon said:

@therealmoot: Get Windows 8, I can get an OEM version for the same price as a new console game and a medium whopper menu.

In desktop mode I enjoy Win 8.1 more than Win 7. OEM versions have strict limitations with upgrades, but my Win 7 Pro key went bad after a few upgrades anyways, so I'm not going for the pricier options there anymore.

went bad after a few upgrades? really, I've had my windows 7 license since release with four different graphics cards.

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#3  Edited By Devildoll
@cornbredx said:

@devildoll: MB is picking up on your arrogant tone as you insinuate that someone afraid of a game not working means they only play one game- because clearly anybody can just buy a $60 game at a whim and write it off if it doesn't work. Yes, it is fairly arrogant to assume that- I am just pointing this out to you.

Well i meant that they only play one game just because of the fact that they cant spend more on games, that i can understand.

@cornbredx said:

@devildoll: Also upgrading a computer is complicated. It's not something a regular user cares to think about. Whether or not they should is up to the person and those of us that know better to try and advise but everyone has their own interests.

Yeah i think i might be in a bit of a bubble on this one, because of my own habits and experiences, pretty much everyone i know upgrades their stuff, as well as me frequenting a lot of hadware forums, so i might have a unrealistic perception of how many people actually play games and at the same time know hardware.

@cornbredx said:

@devildoll: OPs computer is a laptop, though, so we're more than likely talking about buying another one altogether which could be a little extreme if the computer isn't that old (and based solely on what computer OP says they have I assume it's not that old from my casual research on it).

Indeed, it is a 17 inch laptop with a beefy cpu and gpu, the list price on the series seems to be between 1400-2400 $ and released around august 2012.
If i bought a computer for that much money, i would want to keep it for atleast 4 years before replacing it, that might be harder with laptop components though, i've never owned one.
I would be properly pissed if games started chugging after just a year, but i guess the reason you buy a laptop is because you move around a lot, and the primary intent might not be gaming.
It'll still do the other tasks for a long time.
@cornbredx said:

@devildoll: I am replying to you, though, because you mentioned systemrequirementslab which I brought up. My recommendation for it came with the caveat that it is not always accurate. The problem with most PC users who know what they're talking about is they forget when talking to someone who doesn't know that the person who doesn't may not have the time to invest in their computer that you may have. System requirements lab is by no means an end all solution, but it's a much better start than just giving up on your computer altogether and buying another one because the frame rate drops in some games. The most likely cause for this is that your computer is just not optimized for the game. With laptops, even today, this is one of the risks. System requirements lab gives a good base line for this as it checks for known quantities- such as if they support your graphics card or not.

It could just be that the graphics card doesn't support something the game uses and to fix the problems all you need to do is turn it off (Like SSAO and other graphical hogs that can affect performance in computers that aren't great with those things or aren't optimized well). I am speculating at this point though.

Just saying, though. Hopefully this helps.

Yep it if you dont know how your hardware compares to the requirements on the box, sysreqlab will help you with figuring that out.
Regarding just buying another computer because the frame-rate drops in a new game, i would call that incredibly irresponsible, especially if you are so tight for money that you cant risk buying a game that wont run good.
So if you are hard for money, but at the same time don't want to put in the effort of making sure, then you'll end up with a few duds.
When i was a kid, i had very restricted finances, the boxed games i have from that era are just a handful, luckily, back then demos were more common, and the whole always online had not yet started, so even if there wasn't an official demo, you could easily try a game out before buying it.
Could you elaborate on the optimization thing?
If i come a cross a game that runs bad, i find that most of the time every computer runs the game worse than what you would expect, like AC4 for example.
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#4  Edited By Devildoll

yep looks like the GA-Z87X-D3H works the same way.

Boot Option Priorities

Specifies the overall boot order from the available devices. For example, you can set hard drive as the

first priority (Boot Option #1) and DVD ROM drive as the second priority (Boot Option #2). The list only

displays the device with the highest priority for a specific type. For example, only hard drive defined as the

first priority on the Hard Drive BBS Priorities submenu will be presented here.

So head over here, enter the hd bbs menu and set your new ssd as first priority.

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@mikey87144 said:

In fact it only detects two drives in my PC, the old SSD and DVD burner. It doesn't show my new SSD or my other HDD. Anyone encounter this issue and know how to solve it?

On my motherboard, there is a boot order for harddrives, the top one there gets shown in the overall boot order.
If your motherboard works the same way, it means you need to find this harddrive boot order and make your new SSD #1.

It is probably detailed in your motherboards manual.

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#6  Edited By Devildoll

@mb: As i said, if you play one game a year, then one game not working will be a big slip up.

As well as the fact that you probably don't know how your machine fares, since you pick up games so seldom.

The game you bought, you will play eventually anyway, if the world depended on every game-purchase i made, i would be far more worried about the game i just bought being bad and un-enjoyable, and a waste of money, cause a bad game will be bad in the future too, where as a good game can be played later when you have the hardware.

If you are on the cusp of minimum, and your next upgrade is three years away, i would stop buying games entirely and invest in hardware as soon as possible, but that's me.

Honestly though, system requirements don't help much, and systemrequirementslab is a great site, their intentions are fantastic, but all they do is tell you that your graphics card is infact worse than the one written on the box there, in case you yourself are not into hardware.

Which means, systemrequirementslab are only as accurate as the system requirements listed by the game, they dont run any tests on your hardware, they just compare text to other text.
I believe they have started letting people post their hardware and state what kind of fps they get, so that people can actually read real data, which is a step in the right direction.

The best thing is to look up a hardware review where they test your graphics card, and the game in question.

official demos are pretty rare these days, and the problem with the unofficial ones is that they have extra code in them that sometimes affect the performance negatively.

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#7  Edited By Devildoll

I buy the game and find out.

I have never checked the system requirements, cause you have no idea what they mean, does minimum mean that the game will start, or does it mean minimum by a human rights standard?Does reccomended mean 30 fps at medium, or does it mean flawless 60/120 at max?

It differs from game to game, and in my opinion is pretty useless, unless you are a parent buying your kid a christmas present and want to figure out if the game will start or not.

If games start to chug, it is time to upgrade, whether i have money for that or not is another question,but its not like i lost something cause i bought a game, i will play that game regardless, whether i decide to wait until i have my upgrades, of if i turn some of the settings down from ultra and play it like that.

I dont really get the whole deal with people who are afraid to buy a game cause their computer might not handle it, unless of course, they only play like a game a year.

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@onarum: you should have mentioned the ram purchase, i don't think you'll benefit from that high speed ram.

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Just get the 780 to begin with, your 2500k shouldnt be an issue.

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#10  Edited By Devildoll

If i read the other thread correctly, you ran the same windows with an Intel/Nvidia setup, and didnt reinstall windows after changing to AMD/AMD.

If that's the case, the registry cleanup stuff probably set alot of stuff straight, that the reinstall would otherwise fix.

Edit : ops seems like i mixed up some threads