Dragon_Puncher

I just updated the OP. If you read that it’s hopefully more clear that is not what I’m advocating for at all.

@theoracleofgame:

First of all, it's absolutely fine. I do not feel like you are being a jerk at all. I don't know if I seem like I have thin skin here, but I try my best to listen to people's arguments and see how they line up with my own. If I disagree I'm not afraid to say so, but it does not bother me if people don't agree. If I did, I would just have shut this down immediately.

Which kinda goes nicely into the next point. As I wrote a couple of posts above, the OP clearly didn't communicate well enough what I actually meant. I cut my ending short because it was getting so damn long already, but it's pretty clear that was not the right call and that's on me. So I'm going to add an edit to clear some things up.

I don't think having more opinions and viewpoints in a discussion is the same as asking for more excitement, but I guess in some ways we end up moving into more of a philosophical debate here. Like I have said earlier hours upon hours of the same dismissive attitudes towards the new consoles even when news are good so to speak (like when the prices were actually much lower than GBs general sentiments) is just not interesting to listen to. At least for me.

And to go into your two specific examples:

The discussion with Thoughshed isn't actually about diffent SKUs on the new consoles. It is very specifically about the very first thing in the OP, what Jeff said in the Hotspot in regards to his problems with being able to choose between performance and graphics. And it seems like we simply heard two different things, because I do not hear Jeff mention SKUs there at all. It was honestly a pretty silly discussion, because how are you going to agree on what a person says, when you hear two different things? That is why I tried to shut it down.

And I asked PeteSix0 if we was serious, simply because I felt like he might be trolling. After having just made multiple long posts of explanation he asked for more, without being clear in his request. But even then, in the very same post, l tried to give him exactly what he asked for and explained myself as clearly as I could.

So I still don't see how I'm shooting down other people's well articulated opinions. Disagreeing sure, but I try not to be an ass about it.

I get your general point though and you break it down well. I don't agree with everything, but you made it clearer where some of the confusing comes from. Thank you for that.

That is really not my argument at all. You don’t see my calling for more excitement anywhere in the OP or in the replies. But at this point I should probably just add an edit to the OP, because I clearly did not explain what I meant well enough.

@lonelyspacepanda said:

Don’t want to derail the thread here, have you seen the Xbox Series X videos that came out today? There seems to be a lot of great promise in regards to last gen games running a lot better on the new consoles, even unoptimized. Load times are being shorted by 60-75% in a lot of cases and frame rates are more stable.

@brad said:

For Xbox sure, I agree. But I really don’t think that’s true for Playstation.

PS4 had 3 next gen exclusive launch games:

• Killzone: Shadowfall
• Knack
• Resogun (digital only).

PS5 also has 3 next gen exclusive launch games:

• Demon’s Souls
• Godfall
• Destruction: All Stars

And besides that it has Miles Morales, the next version of the second best selling PS4 game of all time and Sackboy: A big adventure. Sure these games are coming to PS4, but they are two Sony exclusives develop directly for the new console and releasing day and date with it. PS4 didn’t have anything of that sort.

And yeah Demon’s Souls is a remake of a 12 year old game, but it’s also the first game in a very beloved franchise, that a lot of people still haven’t played. It’s highly acclaimed, even winning Gamespots GOTY back in 2009 and in terms of graphics it seems to be, by far the best looking launch game on any of the consoles. It’s probably going to be one of the best launch games ever on a Playstation, certainly stronger than anything on PS3 or PS4.

So I personally think the launch lineup looks stronger than on PS4. And even with that shitty lineup PS4 still did great at launch.

I feel like you are not reading me here. I have repeatedly said that I don’t expect them to change their opinion and that I don’t just want their opinion to match my own. I’m saying that the actual discussion isn’t interesting because it’s the same every time echoed across three podcasts. It is not about having the “right” respons, something you have certainly not seen me argue for in this thread, it’s about the discussion just going in a tiring circle because everybody in the crew has collective taken the stance “I don’t see why people would buy these things”.

If you still refuse to acknowledge this as my stance, I’ll end up not thinking you are arguing in good faith. It’s quite frankly the direct opposite of any form of echo chamber. And just to make it clear, I never said any of the crews opinions were wrong or invalid, they are certainly a good part of the discussion. The only things I went against was stuff based on a false premise like Brad with the 4K TVs. I just said I wanted a counterpoint.

Still waiting for the places where I’m condesending and saying valid opinions are off topic.

Considering I have been answering I don’t know how many posts here at this point, I’m hardly ignoring people. And I’m sorry dude, but I listened to it again and I just don’t hear him mentioning different SKUs. Maybe we are talking about different places in the podcast here, I don’t know. It’s not really that important in the grand scheme of things.

I honestly don’t know how I can make it any clearer. For me interesting discussion is about bringing different viewpoints to the table. GB has not been doing that in their discussion of next gen consoles, IMO. Through hours of content over months they have consistently brought a very dismissive attitude, that they all agree on without any counter. That is tiring for me. Especially since there are, like I tried to outline in the OP, plenty of valid reasons to maybe look a bit beyond that dismissive stance. And considering next gen launches are some of the biggest events in the industry, I think it deserves some decent discussion.

People might not think those reasons are valid or like their discussions and that is fine, but this is my argument.

But if you are going to call me both condescending and say I ignore people and call others opinions off topic, then show me where?? I will admit that I can’t reply to everything, but I have really been trying my best here (And no, I honestly don’t understand that Rorie comment at all. And that is not me trying to be a dick).

@xanadu: That's not what I'm complaining about dude. If you took the time to read what I wrote you would know this.

And I don't know how long you have been around here, but they definitely haven't always had a PC first mindset. When the site started they were gaming mostly on 360 and PC was primarily religated to crazy videos like Random PC game.

I don't know if I'm bothered by it, but I'm not convinced MS can actually get these huge Netflix numbers out of Game Pass, that it seems like they are going for.

Most people only buy 1-2 AAA games a year, are you going to get these people to sign up to pay $15 dollars each month? I'm not sure about that.

But I also think that MS' plan is to get as many people inside the door now as possible and then raise the price once they are fully in the ecosystem. If they want this to be there main stream of revenue, then I can't see how that's possible with all they are investing at the current price. They would probably need at least 50 millions subscribers, considering how hard it has been for Netflix to be profitable.