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@hermes said:

While the original tweet was an hyperbolic comparison probably due to the freshness of the experience, the replies are proof of lack of reading comprehension that would be put to shame by 10 years olds.

The issue is not about the theme, but the tone, and it is not about comparing Schindler's List to Last of Us 2, but that the focus on narrative and emotional impact between Last of Us 2 and most modern members of the medium (like Fortnite or Call of Duty Warzone) is comparable to the gap between John Wick and Schindler's List; which, haven't played it, but yeah... is probably right (after all, the gap in care and quality of the narrative between Last of Us 1 and other 2013 games, like DOTA, Call of Duty Ghosts or Beyond, was pretty noticeable). He could have used any other example, like The Raid and The Godfather, or Avengers and Parasite, or Avatar and The Pianist, and his point would not have changed one bit.

At this point, it is hard to say if Alexander and Schreier have a beef with TLOU2 because their recent research on the poor work conditions of Naughty Dogs colors their opinions, if they are jumping to the stereotypical "everyone is snarky and offended about everything" stance on twitter at the first thing they saw, or they just didn't like the game all that much, but they come out as bullies that don't even tried or cared to read and interpret what other people have to say before being all high and mighty.

After digesting this mess for 2 days. I think this is where I stand too. Mocking someone rather critically engaging in their discourse just seems petty. Further writing off the game's ability to be considered meaningful by the community a week before it even comes out, that seems like an intentional act of provocation; rebuking those actually excited for this game (which in reality is a lot of freaking people).

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@curiosus said:
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I want to say. To anyone who has a conscience. Don't support Activision and Blizzard. Don't buy their games. Don't use their services.

Their implicit support of the brutal invasion of Hong Kong is fucking evil. More lives will be lost and destroyed from this than from an 85-hour workweek.

If you want to boycott both ND and Activision, fine. But if you are only going to boycott one, please don't support Activision/Blizzard.

Blizzard/Activision are a terrible company who engage in crunch, terrible consumer practices and suck up to China. Everything should be mentioned when their games are discussed. But thats a bit of a stretch to claim their awful handling of Hong Kong protests is doing more harm directly than having their own workers damage their health from overwork.

I don't think it is a stretch at all. Crunch is shitty. The invasion of Honk Kong is EVIL. Don't conflate the two.

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Now that this tread has devolved into: "if you buy The Last Of US: Part 2, you are a shitty person"

I want to say. To anyone who has a conscience. Don't support Activision and Blizzard. Don't buy their games. Don't use their services.

Their implicit support of the brutal invasion of Hong Kong is fucking evil. More lives will be lost and destroyed from this than from an 85-hour workweek.

If you want to boycott both ND and Activision, fine. But if you are only going to boycott one, please don't support Activision/Blizzard.

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Crunch is bad.

Insulting the victims of Crunch because they are proud of their work is bad, TOO.

Stop insulting low-level workers who are proud of the thing they made.

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an artist at naughty tweeted this to some of the backlash already brewing over this

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She has nothing to discuss with her therapist about her working conditions or what other people have gone through there, but some people reacting badly to it online is a crisis? People like her are part of the problem, I don't see why she expects anyone to come to her defence. Maybe stop being so self-absorbed that you think its ok to be proud of something that broke many of your fellow workers, or excluded others from even participating. She or at least the workers chiming in to agree with her are anti-union.

Seeing some comments here attacking her. I do not think it's appropriate to attack the employees of studios with crunch because they want their work to be appreciated. She certainly has a better understanding of what would be good for her and her fellow ("broken"?) employees than outsiders do. If there's no empathy for them, then what are we even trying to accomplish?

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Twitter is bad and also I feel like we collectively should've moved on from making a (well-deserved) goof at a questionable take after like a day. Instead, it's just kept going and has gotten dumber as things have gone along.

I think my actual problem is the way this whole thing has escalated with the developer of the game (which has a 96 metascore and is almost precision engineered to be one of the best selling and most awarded games of this year) feeling the need to step in and defend this. Neil, you're gonna be just fine. Big studio AAA games aren't going to be crushed underfoot because Jason Schreier is calling out someone comparing The Last of Us to a holocaust movie.

You should really listen to the This American Life episode about Schindler‘s List. Speilberg himself had to step in to stop a pile on.

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It's also frustrating that people are treating Schindler's List as THE unimpeachable work of Holocaust media. As amazing as it is, it's not Shoah.

Schindler's List actually got a lot of flack when it came out from certain film critics' circles. It presents itself as being THE Holocaust film while the main character that the film follows (and we identify with as an audience) is a NAZI. It wholly invents aspects of him to make him much more likable. The movie is clearly Hollywood product that goes out of its way to not be too difficult, shielding the audience from the worst horrors (Its sole depiction of Auschwitz is a scene in a group of Jewish people are actually saved and spared.)

I think Schindler's List is an amazing, fascination, often ingenious piece of film-making. (But I'm not sure it holds a place in my heart where some thoughtful piece of genre-fiction couldn't move me more. And then I'm suddenly a bad person? Which is what Leigh Alexander is saying.)

But Shoah is GENUINELY life-altering. I don't see how you can walk away from Shoah and not be a different person.

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It was definitely a poorly chosen analogy for Jeff, but I think it blew up in a way that wasn't really constructive for anyone. That said, it's also kinda Jeff's fault for doubling down and not accepting the criticism.

I don't think he doubled down. He did say in the tweet I posted "Could I have chosen a different film? Well, clearly I should have."

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Question: if Jeff's goal was to pick "BEST movie I could think of that was both difficult and NOT FUN to watch, but also ESSENTIAL."

What do you think he should have chosen instead?