Wiki editing: are you still into it?

When Giantbomb.com launched in the summer of 2008, its staff members were immediately flooded by enormous amounts of wiki edits. There are a lot of games out there, and plenty of information regarding those games in our heads. I joined in as well, adding information to games (although, really, only the ones that I knew a lot about.) Thing is, around the 5000 point mark, I sort of lost interest. 
 
How do you guys feel about this? Are you still looking like crazy for pages to edit, to leave your mark on? Looking at the pages now, there is still a lot of uncovered ground. Some games--especially smaller ones--have nothing more than the blurb at the top of the page filled out, lack plot sections or simply still need work in terms of lay-out. The text editor can be frustrating at times, causing many--myself included--to leave a page with those lines running all over the page, images cutting paragraphs in half, etc. There are some amazing pages on here, both in the crazy and the technical sense, but there's no denying that Giantbomb.com is far from being a comprehensive encyclopedia on games.
 
The talk about the whole wiki aspect of the game seems to have died down. Do you consider Giantbomb a wiki first and foremost? Personally, I come here for the content the staff puts up, which is inarguably excellent and full of personality. The unfinished nature of many of the site's pages leads to me actually using Wikipedia to find information on games more often than Giantbomb. Wikipedia encompasses all subjects, and yet just about all of the game pages are complete, look really clean and even tend to be more informative. Considering Giantbomb focuses solely on gaming-related subjects, that seems wrong.
 
Giantbomb started out as a gaming wiki, but it's so much more now, thanks to the staff's excellent work, thanks to a consistent stream of awesome ideas like Quick Looks, the Endurance Run, Trivia (although, this too, faded from memory rather quickly), the whole achievements tracking feature... The result is that the wiki function seems to be in the backdrop now, rather than central to Giantbomb.
 
How about you? Are you still into editing the site? It could be that I'm completely wrong here, this is just my experience.

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Posted by Dudacles

When Giantbomb.com launched in the summer of 2008, its staff members were immediately flooded by enormous amounts of wiki edits. There are a lot of games out there, and plenty of information regarding those games in our heads. I joined in as well, adding information to games (although, really, only the ones that I knew a lot about.) Thing is, around the 5000 point mark, I sort of lost interest. 
 
How do you guys feel about this? Are you still looking like crazy for pages to edit, to leave your mark on? Looking at the pages now, there is still a lot of uncovered ground. Some games--especially smaller ones--have nothing more than the blurb at the top of the page filled out, lack plot sections or simply still need work in terms of lay-out. The text editor can be frustrating at times, causing many--myself included--to leave a page with those lines running all over the page, images cutting paragraphs in half, etc. There are some amazing pages on here, both in the crazy and the technical sense, but there's no denying that Giantbomb.com is far from being a comprehensive encyclopedia on games.
 
The talk about the whole wiki aspect of the game seems to have died down. Do you consider Giantbomb a wiki first and foremost? Personally, I come here for the content the staff puts up, which is inarguably excellent and full of personality. The unfinished nature of many of the site's pages leads to me actually using Wikipedia to find information on games more often than Giantbomb. Wikipedia encompasses all subjects, and yet just about all of the game pages are complete, look really clean and even tend to be more informative. Considering Giantbomb focuses solely on gaming-related subjects, that seems wrong.
 
Giantbomb started out as a gaming wiki, but it's so much more now, thanks to the staff's excellent work, thanks to a consistent stream of awesome ideas like Quick Looks, the Endurance Run, Trivia (although, this too, faded from memory rather quickly), the whole achievements tracking feature... The result is that the wiki function seems to be in the backdrop now, rather than central to Giantbomb.
 
How about you? Are you still into editing the site? It could be that I'm completely wrong here, this is just my experience.

Posted by Rallier

If the staff would actually acknowledge that the site has a wiki that would be a good start to get some more people doing adding content to it...
 
Still editing by the way.

Posted by Rinkalicous

As much as it pains me to admit it, if I want info on a game I'll wikipedia it rather than giant bomb it. In practically every case Wikipedia has more info of a consistently higher quality then the equivalent Giant Bomb page. I love Giant Bomb more than anything, and that's what I'm able to come to terms with its faults, and I reckon the wiki is one of them. Luckily, most if not all of the other features are so amazing, that I have no reservations in saying Giant Bomb is my favourite website of all time.

Posted by Stephen_Von_Cloud
@Rinkalicous said:
" As much as it pains me to admit it, if I want info on a game I'll wikipedia it rather than giant bomb it. In practically every case Wikipedia has more info of a consistently higher quality then the equivalent Giant Bomb page. I love Giant Bomb more than anything, and that's what I'm able to come to terms with its faults, and I reckon the wiki is one of them.  "
Yeah I agree with you.
 
What they should do to fix it is give everyone some sort of incentive to get wikipoints.  I would give out t-shirts or Giant Bomb memorbilia if I was them.
Posted by Jack_Daniels

I don't like to read. Any forum posts thats longer then 3 sentences I generally skip.

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Posted by Stephen_Von_Cloud
@Jack_Daniels said:
" I don't like to read. Any forum posts thats longer then 3 sentences I generally skip. "
Why would you even bother to post in this thread then?
Posted by mracoon

I still edit the wiki but I feel the Staff don't give it enough attention. They seem to focus more on achievements and social networking features which are nice, but aren't core to the site. They boast about being the world's largest editable videogame database but the actual wiki editing features are nowhere near as good as those provided by Wikipedia or other wikis.
 
Also, after to you get to about 5000 points there's no incentive too continue contributing. I've said this many times before but give users who have 10K points the ability to add aliases, it's a small thing and I think anyone whose reached that many points something for helping to add to the site.
 
Apart from the Community Spotlight there's no promotion of really good wiki pages. I think it's a bit of a slap on the face to users who put the effort in to make the site better only to find that the Staff don't really care and basically ignore what they've done. I love Giant Bomb but I just wish they'd put more focus on what the site was built on rather then unnecessary extras.

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Edited by TMThomsen

I still edit the wiki from time to time, but I don't feel the hard work of the many contributing users get acknowledged by the staff. In the beginning, the wiki had a lot more attention from the staff... I mean; they haven't even mentioned the wiki on the bombcast for what seems like forever. 
It seems like Jeff still have some kind of vision for the wiki, and he is about the only staff member who appears to give a damn. Still, I really don't think it is enough. The editing tools are somewhat lacking in functionality and the list of pages needed to be deleted (which can only be deleted by the staff btw) continues to grow unattended.
 
Man up, duders!
 
I can totally understand if you're too busy to take care of it, but then let the community fix it for you. Give high-ranked users more abilities! I can understand why you won't let every user be able to rename pages or add aliases, but then just give the abilities as "unlocks" when you reach a certain amount of wiki points.
 
Edit: Just adding that I will be very sad if we don't see any kind of response from the staff (which means Jeff or Dave since they're the only ones using the forum).

Posted by Tireyo

I love doing wiki edits, it's just that I haven't had the time lately to do them. = - (

Posted by Turtlemayor333

The quality standards are just not nearly as high as they should be. It seems like Giant Bomb is willing to take whatever content it can get spread wildly throughout the page, especially on obscure pages.
 
 http://www.giantbomb.com/tom-clancys-splinter-cell/61-5961/
 
And not for the purpose of being a jackass or anything, but I find it ridiculous that the dude got a thousand points for this page. You could argue with, "well, if you don't like it, clean it up yourself." But I've done that before with other huge pages that were jacked, and guess what I'm rewarded with? 1 point. I could have added two games to a new concept page and received double that amount. The incentives for quality are just not there.
 
Also we need a way to find specific information in a snap, IE a contents menu.
 
http://www.giantbomb.com/the-legend-of-zelda-ocarina-of-time/61-12572/
 
I love how much info is on this page, but scrolling through all of it when you just want to see a particular header is a pain. Just my suggestions.

Posted by pornstorestiffi

I rarely do it, plus i really don't use the Wiki here.

Posted by Binman88

I've never really bothered with the Wiki here, it's too messy. There aren't strict enough rules to ensure the submitted content is held to a high standard. Unfortunately, if there were stricter rules, there probably wouldn't be enough people contributing.

Posted by Sweep

I completely agree, I think that the wiki aspect of the site is badly neglected. I appreciate that it's a template for users but it's hardly been prioritised or promoted. You would have thought the staff would at least recognise users who invest so much time in their site.

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Posted by Sabata

I would, but most of the games I actually know shit about are already fleshed out.  Although I might flesh out the Super Robot Wars games if I get around to it/they aren't already filled out.

Posted by Hailinel
@Stephen_Von_Cloud said:
" @Rinkalicous said:
" As much as it pains me to admit it, if I want info on a game I'll wikipedia it rather than giant bomb it. In practically every case Wikipedia has more info of a consistently higher quality then the equivalent Giant Bomb page. I love Giant Bomb more than anything, and that's what I'm able to come to terms with its faults, and I reckon the wiki is one of them.  "
Yeah I agree with you.  What they should do to fix it is give everyone some sort of incentive to get wikipoints.  I would give out t-shirts or Giant Bomb memorbilia if I was them. "
No, that won't do at all.  Adding incentives like that would just increase the flood of crap wiki submissions.  You wouldn't believe the number of times I've rewritten entire articles because the original text was so poor.
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Posted by Yummylee

I still do occasionaly, going to try my best to write up most of the RE game wiki's.
Posted by Stephen_Von_Cloud
@Hailinel said:
" @Stephen_Von_Cloud said:
" @Rinkalicous said:
" As much as it pains me to admit it, if I want info on a game I'll wikipedia it rather than giant bomb it. In practically every case Wikipedia has more info of a consistently higher quality then the equivalent Giant Bomb page. I love Giant Bomb more than anything, and that's what I'm able to come to terms with its faults, and I reckon the wiki is one of them.  "
Yeah I agree with you.  What they should do to fix it is give everyone some sort of incentive to get wikipoints.  I would give out t-shirts or Giant Bomb memorbilia if I was them. "
No, that won't do at all.  Adding incentives like that would just increase the flood of crap wiki submissions.  You wouldn't believe the number of times I've rewritten entire articles because the original text was so poor. "
I have done the same, but isn't that why the wiki's are moderated?  Don't approve crappy wiki submissions and there isn't an issue.
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@Stephen_Von_Cloud said:

" @Hailinel said:

" @Stephen_Von_Cloud said:

" @Rinkalicous said:
" As much as it pains me to admit it, if I want info on a game I'll wikipedia it rather than giant bomb it. In practically every case Wikipedia has more info of a consistently higher quality then the equivalent Giant Bomb page. I love Giant Bomb more than anything, and that's what I'm able to come to terms with its faults, and I reckon the wiki is one of them.  "
Yeah I agree with you.  What they should do to fix it is give everyone some sort of incentive to get wikipoints.  I would give out t-shirts or Giant Bomb memorbilia if I was them. "
No, that won't do at all.  Adding incentives like that would just increase the flood of crap wiki submissions.  You wouldn't believe the number of times I've rewritten entire articles because the original text was so poor. "
I have done the same, but isn't that why the wiki's are moderated?  Don't approve crappy wiki submissions and there isn't an issue. "
Not quite the wiki is moderated (up to 1K for actual text submission and 5k for page creation) to protect the wiki from vandalism. Once you pass 1K you gain the site's "trust" so to speak and you can go and do live edits without being moderated.
Posted by Lies
@Rallier said:
" @Stephen_Von_Cloud said:

" @Hailinel said:

" @Stephen_Von_Cloud said:

" @Rinkalicous said:
" As much as it pains me to admit it, if I want info on a game I'll wikipedia it rather than giant bomb it. In practically every case Wikipedia has more info of a consistently higher quality then the equivalent Giant Bomb page. I love Giant Bomb more than anything, and that's what I'm able to come to terms with its faults, and I reckon the wiki is one of them.  "
Yeah I agree with you.  What they should do to fix it is give everyone some sort of incentive to get wikipoints.  I would give out t-shirts or Giant Bomb memorbilia if I was them. "
No, that won't do at all.  Adding incentives like that would just increase the flood of crap wiki submissions.  You wouldn't believe the number of times I've rewritten entire articles because the original text was so poor. "
I have done the same, but isn't that why the wiki's are moderated?  Don't approve crappy wiki submissions and there isn't an issue. "
Not quite the wiki is moderated (up to 1K for actual text submission and 5k for page creation) to protect the wiki from vandalism. Once you pass 1K you gain the site's "trust" so to speak and you can go and do live edits without being moderated. "
And 1K points is an incredibly easy milestone to reach if you put any amount of time into it.
 
I myself occasionally edit, but only for pages I'm really interested in, as there's little to no incentive to contribute elsewhere. The wiki is largely ignored by both the staff and the users, so I don't feel much of a drive to improve it outside of a few games whose pages I don't want to be filled with tripe.
Posted by Stephen_Von_Cloud
@Lies said:
" @Rallier said:
" @Stephen_Von_Cloud said:

" @Hailinel said:

" @Stephen_Von_Cloud said:

" @Rinkalicous said:
" As much as it pains me to admit it, if I want info on a game I'll wikipedia it rather than giant bomb it. In practically every case Wikipedia has more info of a consistently higher quality then the equivalent Giant Bomb page. I love Giant Bomb more than anything, and that's what I'm able to come to terms with its faults, and I reckon the wiki is one of them.  "
Yeah I agree with you.  What they should do to fix it is give everyone some sort of incentive to get wikipoints.  I would give out t-shirts or Giant Bomb memorbilia if I was them. "
No, that won't do at all.  Adding incentives like that would just increase the flood of crap wiki submissions.  You wouldn't believe the number of times I've rewritten entire articles because the original text was so poor. "
I have done the same, but isn't that why the wiki's are moderated?  Don't approve crappy wiki submissions and there isn't an issue. "
Not quite the wiki is moderated (up to 1K for actual text submission and 5k for page creation) to protect the wiki from vandalism. Once you pass 1K you gain the site's "trust" so to speak and you can go and do live edits without being moderated. "
And 1K points is an incredibly easy milestone to reach if you put any amount of time into it.  I myself occasionally edit, but only for pages I'm really interested in, as there's little to no incentive to contribute elsewhere. The wiki is largely ignored by both the staff and the users, so I don't feel much of a drive to improve it outside of a few games whose pages I don't want to be filled with tripe. "
Fix the moderation then, get guys on to do it full time so that the trust thing isn't an issue and never occurs.  That's what I would change, now the wiki just feels like an afterthought on the site and that's not right.  Then you can give out prizes or some sort of incentive for wiki points as well.  This should be the best video game wiki there is, I don't know why that has taken such a back seat.  I like the achievement stuff too but the wiki needs to be improved.
Posted by Yummylee
@Stephen_Von_Cloud:
That your way of asking to become a wiki mod? ;P
Posted by Not_Rage

 In-site achievements are coming soon. Those will probably encourage people to start editing again.

Posted by Stephen_Von_Cloud
@Abyssfull said:
" @Stephen_Von_Cloud: That your way of asking to become a wiki mod? ;P "
lol, Not at all.  Honestly I wouldn't mind doing something like that now if I got my ass paid though.
Posted by regularassmilk

I edit occasionally. I'm sorta cheap about it sometimes though. I filled out all the PSX Namco museum pages with ease.

Edited by lilarchie232

I mean, I still do it now and then, but that wasn't the sites initial draw for me when it launched.  Normally I only go out and hit up pages about games that I really care about, games that have poor pages, or easy things to add in. 

Posted by Rallier
@Not_Rage said:
"  In-site achievements are coming soon. Those will probably encourage people to start editing again. "
Hope so, I'm a bit afraid of people trying to game the system for these achievements though.
 
I wonder what the percentage of change is that when they will implement it it will not break instantly or crash the site...
Posted by MattyFTM

I've been quite lazy with my wiki editing recently. But I've always gone through wiki editing phases. For a while I'll edit the wiki like mad, and then take a break for a while. I'm going to get back into it soon, there are a handful of pages I really want to update.

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Edited by Stephen_Von_Cloud
@regularassmilk said:

" I edit occasionally. I'm sorta cheap about it sometimes though. I filled out all the PSX Namco museum pages with ease. "

My points were the cheapest.  When the site first started up I just thought of something obvious that no one had made a page for yet:  crosshair.  I wrote up like two sentences, added a picture, and then added every shooting game I could think of.
 
I would edit more often but until there is an incentive I won't.  And stuff that doesn't actually give you anything doesn't count for me, I don't give a crap about achievement points for example.  If they gave out prizes though I would probably edit pretty often.  I would have loved an Oscar Mike shirt but I don't have the cash.  Let me improve your site, just reward me Giant Bomb.  All I ask.  I think that's fair and makes sense.
Edited by MikeFightNight

Just got back into it a few weeks ago.  Check out the Darkstalkers Franchise page, and the Hsien-Ko page.  All me baby! 
 
lol 
 
I also found it kind of weird that the wiki part of the site never came up when Jeff was on the Kotaku talk radio podcast last week,  I mean it is a great idea, makes the users feel like they have a say in building the site:)

Posted by SJSchmidt93
@Rallier said:
" If the staff would actually acknowledge that the site has a wiki that would be a good start to get some more people doing adding content to it...  Still editing by the way. "
Jeeze, it says "editable" on the front page. 
 
And if you navigate to aaaaaaaaannnny entry on the site you'll realize. They don't need to acknowledge it. Everyone knows it.
Posted by natetodamax

I like to edit wikis, and I actually refer to them if I need more information on a game. If my questions aren't answered, I'll go to wikipedia. Either that or I will ask on the forums.

Posted by ArbitraryWater

At the beginning of the site I was definitely more active on the wiki than on the forums. Unfortunately, much like Trivia and Guides, the wiki had its initial burst of popularity only to become totally dead afterwards, probably due to lack of quality. For every informative, well written and unbiased page there are 10 that are either empty or poorly written. 
 
Simply put, there aren't enough safeguards put in place to prevent crap and there isn't enough support from the staff (I'm pretty sure the GB crew has forgotten that Giant Bomb even has a wiki at this point) Really, the reason to come here is the editorial content and the forums. That's all there is to it.

Posted by StarFoxA

I'm typically sporadic in my editing crazes, but when I do get into editing crazes I get 1000+ points per day.

Posted by AjayRaz

occasionally i do. i filled the majority of the dead or alive: paradise page, and enjoyed earning 900 or so points from that. i'll for sure be editing more pages in the future 

Posted by Teptom

I edit a little bit every day. Some days I do lot though. I have a lot of pages I want to work on. Like the Alundra page for example.

Posted by iam3green

no, i do not wiki edit pages. i never did it when the site first came out. i'm just to lazy to do that kind of thing. i just like to post here on the forums about video games.

Posted by Dr_Feelgood38

I've only slightly filled out two game pages and that's only because, while I was playing them, I searched the wiki and didn't find them. The other games that I do know have pages that are already filled out and I don't have time to research older games that I've never played to fill out their wikis.

Posted by JJOR64

I'm not because I got banned for being a retard when I first joined Giant Bomb.  I got what I deserved.

Posted by rjayb89

Well, usually when I'm in the mood to edit some pages, all I'm really doing is rewriting most of them because they're very poorly written.  Either that, or I add a bunch of pictures of women.  Mostly Vida Guerra.

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Posted by DanielJW

I'm still in to it, I like the sense of accomplishment I get from filling out a page really nicely.  
 
Though my main problem is that I don't play many obscure or old games, so most of the games I know a lot about already have a rather robust wiki. 

Posted by ZenaxPure

If I have a game I know a lot about or am currently playing that has basically no info I try to make it a goal to at least put something informative on the page. I do agree though it sadly feels neglected.

Posted by Turtlemayor333
@ArbitraryWater said:
" At the beginning of the site I was definitely more active on the wiki than on the forums. Unfortunately, much like Trivia and Guides, the wiki had its initial burst of popularity only to become totally dead afterwards, probably due to lack of quality. For every informative, well written and unbiased page there are 10 that are either empty or poorly written.   Simply put, there aren't enough safeguards put in place to prevent crap and there isn't enough support from the staff (I'm pretty sure the GB crew has forgotten that Giant Bomb even has a wiki at this point) Really, the reason to come here is the editorial content and the forums. That's all there is to it. "
Exactly. If you pay attention to the podcasts Ryan is always saying something like, "Let me just look up Dead Space on Wikipedia real quick..." And how can you blame him? As far as the site achievements go, I see no reason that they won't go the way of Trivia. I think the staff needs to show a resurgence of interest if they care to get it going again, which I'm not really sure they do.
Posted by Captain_Insano

I started out the gate pretty well as soon as the website launched.
 
I lost interest after doing 2 games pages. The submission process was a bit of a pain and my computer had some compatability issues with the site which caused me to lose all my hours worth of work on a page once.
 
I stopped after that.

Posted by c1337us

The fact that I have less then 100 wiki points should answer you question. I only tried it once for Shane Warne cricket. And I don't use giantbomb to search info on game anyway. Besides keeping a blog and hanging out on the forums the only thing I utilise the site for is staff content be it podcasts, reviews, TANG etc, etc.

Posted by SteepInKline

I find myself looking at wiki pages and noticing heaps of grammatical errors. Now that you've posted this, I'm gonna go edit some stuff! Thank you!

Posted by pikeplacer

I still do alot of work.

Posted by Guided_By_Tigers

I go through phases, right now I'm not editing....no one gives a shit about the wiki on Giantbomb because 99% of the time you can find better written material elsewhere.

Posted by MysteriousBob
@pikeplacer said:
I still do alot of work.
One hell of a bump. 
 
I've passed through my wiki phase although I may always return. I like writing loads of stuff about obscure unpopular fighting games. The world needs a detailed wiki entry on The Senator. Wikipedia won't give you that. God bless this site for such opportunities.
Posted by WoodenPlatypus

Yep I do.

Wow this blog is old...

Posted by Dudacles

Yeah, this blog is ancient by now. But I suppose it is as decent a time as any to point out that things are still exactly as bad with the wiki as they used to be. Eh, Giantbomb has changed significantly over the years. The wiki has pretty much fallen off the cart, for instance. The news section has become more active again though, thanks to Patrick (and Brad Nicholson, to some extent.) That's cool.

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