@animasta: Do not sit here and play the victim.
Chloe is a liar, a cheat, and a would-be criminal. Her "condition" is no excuse to prey upon people's good will.
And quite frankly, I'm sure she would have gotten much more support if she were honest in her intentions.
So how is any of this reason for somebody to kill themselves?
Seriously, internet. Cut the fucking shit. What happened in the past doesn't really matter when somebody whose clearly suffering from severe depression tried to fucking kill themselves live in front of hundreds of viewers.
I didn't care about the indiegogo controversy before. I still don't. I went on not giving a flying fuck about it. But people are being dicks to somebody who clearly isn't in a mental state to deal with it and all of them need to fuck right off.
I agree; I don't think any of us has right to judge. No matter where anyone stands on the moral compass, I think it compromises values to force a judgment upon others without fully understanding the perspective of the people involved. How are we going to bring up that they might've cost other people money in the past when they're attempting to throw their life away in the present?
I've known someone in particular who has made some terrible life decisions and in spite of finally having the desire to come clean, he ended up committing suicide anyway and left behind a family that was supposed to rely on him. People would never stop judging him for his past mistakes in spite of his desire to clean up his life. No one looked out for him. In spite of how passionately he sounded like he wanted to clean up his life, I guess the pain was too much for him; there were so much more people judging him than actively helping him.
I can't accept the assumption that "she would have gotten much more support if she were honest" because my personal experience above exemplifies the case of someone who was seeking help and by not getting it ultimately committed suicide; it's the most crushing thing in the world to find out something like that when the last time I saw him he seemed so optimistic about cleaning up.
All I'm trying to say is that instead of judging others, people really need to look out for each other more. A lot of the discussion in this thread really shouldn't be happening at all.
The problem here is also that she did not hurt herself with these lies but mostly also people who actually have true intentions for such a campaign maybe not get funded or it will taken down because of this. Just to think about the person instead of the consequences other may experience because of this is not really the right think to do in my opinion.
I'm going to make this really simple for this thread and the rest of the internet. I want you guys to tell me which has more importance over the other:
- The loss of potential sales/trust on a crowd funding website
- The loss of one's life
I'll give everybody a moment to think about it.
I give you another thing to think about. These crowd funding things are often the last chance these people have. So yeah I go with the lives of more people than only one. These people also have troubles and problems they face. They maybe different or maybe even the same but they need as much help as other people. They are also desperate or fear for their future and life.
Even then, Chloe's case is a very isolated case relative to all of crowdfunding. I feel like there are many worse offenders that discredit crowdfunding as a whole. I highly doubt that Chloe's actions on IGG will have a large enough impact to have consequences for crowdfunding as whole.
Also, even if people are at the end of their rope financially, crowdfunding is definitely not their last option. Actually, I really don't think they should put all their stakes on crowdfunding, either -- there are many other outlets in place for them to make a living and even if they absolutely went broke there's still places out there that can support them financially.
But I digress, my point is that the discussion regarding her past with crowdfunding shouldn't even brought up right now. There's a time and place for this type of discussion and I don't think it should be right now when someone just attempted suicide.
That being said, this is definitely not the time to try and argue genetics and biology as reaction to someone's suicide attempt. That's as tactful as going to military funeral and arguing politics. Not the time and place.