Well Guess What? !"#€%!#"!%"... All This Nagging... (ER Related)

Seriously people, please! The only thing endurance run freaks were nagging about before the announcement was that they wanted a new one. I sure wanted a new endurance run too, it's a fantastic idea but to be completely honest--I'm not watching it for the game but for Ryan and Patrick. I didn't watch the Persona 4 endurance run because I wanted to see the game. And I surely didn't watch the Deadly Premonition endurance run for that? I watched those two runs, and will watch this new one, because I want to see and hear Ryan and Patrick play that game. Giant Bomb is about character and when the guys are doing stuff they enjoy, then their character is shining. So why are you nagging about them having an endurance run now? Seriously! If you are doing it because of the game then I think that you're here for the wrong reason. It's just like criticising a quick look because they choose a bad game in some ways.Or am I the only one here who watch the endurance run to be entertained by Ryan and Patrick and not the game? It's almost like I want to change my name to Bruitcocoa, or Barl (in real life). Nothing stops Brono!

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Edited by Fruitcocoa

Seriously people, please! The only thing endurance run freaks were nagging about before the announcement was that they wanted a new one. I sure wanted a new endurance run too, it's a fantastic idea but to be completely honest--I'm not watching it for the game but for Ryan and Patrick. I didn't watch the Persona 4 endurance run because I wanted to see the game. And I surely didn't watch the Deadly Premonition endurance run for that? I watched those two runs, and will watch this new one, because I want to see and hear Ryan and Patrick play that game. Giant Bomb is about character and when the guys are doing stuff they enjoy, then their character is shining. So why are you nagging about them having an endurance run now? Seriously! If you are doing it because of the game then I think that you're here for the wrong reason. It's just like criticising a quick look because they choose a bad game in some ways.Or am I the only one here who watch the endurance run to be entertained by Ryan and Patrick and not the game? It's almost like I want to change my name to Bruitcocoa, or Barl (in real life). Nothing stops Brono!

Posted by Cloudenvy

@Fruitcocoa said:

If you are doing it because of the game then I think that you're here for the wrong reason? It's just like criticising a quick look because they choose a bad game in some ways.

What kind of logic is that?

It's not because Chrono Trigger is bad, some people just think it's unfit for an ER and I agree in some ways! it's short, linear and has no real quirks.

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Posted by Video_Game_King

@Cloudenvy said:

It's not because Chrono Trigger is bad, some people just think it's unfit for an ER and I agree in some ways! it's short, linear and has no real quirks.

Plus they're not very good at it, and so much has been said about the game already that it's doubtful that there's anything left to be said.

Posted by ABritishNerd

@Fruitcocoa: Great point, I enjoyed the first part and the conversations between Patrick and Ryan. Looking forward to the next part.

Posted by Neferon

Quite right, I mainly watch because it's two funny dudes playing some game. There's also a nostalgia factor for Chrono Trigger. Must've played it 5 times or so, though I never stood still about the scientist bashing the time machine with a hammer. Anyway, more chrono trigger!

Posted by Commisar123

All I know is I won't ever remember the real names for these characters now

Posted by prestonhedges

@Cloudenvy said:

and has no real quirks.

Yeah, it's got steampunk robots shooting laser disco magic and weird pseudo-druidic Japanese anime proto-past with stuffed animals hiding doors to places where colossal snails are destroying the far-flung future leaving just a London street corner with a forgetful man standing guard over a lamppost. You know, normal, everyday shit.

Posted by MikkaQ

Do you know when to use question marks?

Posted by Cloudenvy

@gladspooky said:

@Cloudenvy said:

and has no real quirks.

Yeah, it's got steampunk robots shooting laser disco magic and weird pseudo-druidic Japanese anime proto-past with stuffed animals hiding doors to places where colossal snails are destroying the far-flung future leaving just a London street corner with a forgetful man standing guard over a lamppost. You know, normal, everyday shit.

Pretty much.

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@MikkaQ said:

Do you know when to use question marks?

Yeah that part is totally what I miss from the old endurance runs... ;)

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Posted by Cube

Chrono Trigger is totally unfit for an Endurance Run. So are the hosts. It's unfortunate they've got it so wrong this time around.

Posted by AuthenticM

I agree with OP. I am watching this not for the game, but to experience the game alongside Ryan and Patrick. I enjoy watching people discovering a game for the first time. Sure, Patrick has played it before, but he did so when the game came out and hasn't touched it since. I remember playing the Resident Evil remake six years after playing it for the last time when it came out, and I nearly forgot everything, so it might as well have been called a new experience.

Anyways, looking forward to tomorrow morning. :)

Posted by Vashyron

@Cloudenvy said:

It's not because Chrono Trigger is bad, some people just think it's unfit for an ER and I agree in some ways! it's short, linear and has no real quirks.

No more than P4. I mean, you are probably going to clock 40 hours assuming you assuming you are a first timer and aren't using a guide and take the time to read everying. It also lacks all the exposition of P4 and having 4 different people at 4 different times telling you the exact same thing that over and over again to the point where you are like "No, I get it. No, look, I already heard all of this...can I just skip...No? You are going to make me listen to you tell me about all this again? (sigh) Okay."

Linear...JRPG. I mean, P4 is just as linear. The game is taking you down the same story path regardless of how you choose to proceed.

No quirks...hmm, yeah. Time travel isn't quirky. Not nearly as quirky as Funky Student.

Posted by CL60

"We want Endurance run!!!! MAKE ONE!!!!!!!"

"Okay guys, here, we'll make one.. sheesh."

"NOOOO!!!!! NOT THAT GAME!!!!! AND PATRICK SUCKS!!!!!!! GAAAWDD!!!!"

Posted by Cloudenvy

@Vashyron: Linear story wise, sure. But I personally think that Persona 4 gives you a lot more to openness in terms of gameplay than Chrono Trigger does.

Planning your days, who to social link with and so on. Maybe that's just me.

Posted by A_Dog

@Video_Game_King said:

@Cloudenvy said:

It's not because Chrono Trigger is bad, some people just think it's unfit for an ER and I agree in some ways! it's short, linear and has no real quirks.

Plus they're not very good at it, and so much has been said about the game already that it's doubtful that there's anything left to be said.

Because they were great at Deadly Premonition and Persona 4, right?

Posted by Video_Game_King

@ryanrulez:

How would I know? I haven't played either game, so I haven't watched either Endurance Run.

Posted by mpgeist

I didn't hate the first episode so I'll keep watching for now.

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Posted by Jimi

Whatever they do people are going to bitch, purely because "OMG ITS NOT VINNY AND JEFF PLAYING PERSONA 4". I'm convinced most of the people begging for another endurance run just want a repeat of P4.

I don't get the Patrick hate either, it's ok to dislike a guy but it seems to me that there are a lot of elitists here who just want Ryan Jeff Vinny Brad and nobody else which just seems dumb. I thought the Patrick / Ryan chemistry was really good, as is Vinny / Dave etc.

Everyone saying "OMG THEY ARE SO BAD AT THE GAEM" is a moron, can't you remember how bad Vinny / Jeff were at P4 when they started? They only barely BARELY made it past Yukiko's castle.

Chrono Trigger is a good game to endurance run because despite what a lot of people claim, there are a ton of people who to this day have not played it and probably would never play it. This endurance run gives those people a chance to not only experience a great game but to hear the funny commentary aswell.

This wound up rather rant-y but I needed to say it, people just don't know what they want nowadays.

Posted by Gumby

I dislike this ER because I don't find myself entertained by Patrick. Not trying to be a dick, but that's just the way it is...

Posted by Vashyron

@Cloudenvy: Sort of. Like, I see your point, but I'm not sure openess would be the word I'd use. I mean, the social link stuff and hopping back into dungeons for the mission stuff sort of fills in the "side quest" side of the JRPG scheme, because they are completely optional and you don't have to do them. You are missing out by not doing them, but still optional.

CT has actual side quests as they usually are in JRPGs. Little adventures that you go off to that may or may not be related to the story with time travel being involved in those side quests.

The reason why I don't know if openess is the word I'd use for P4 is cause you are on a schedule. You only have a finite amount of time to do things. Hopping into dungeons and social linking uses that finite time and, if planned poorly, can eff up the whole game. CT lacks that. You literally have an infinite amount of time to do anything you want. Want to revisit a dungeon and do some grinding? No problem, end of the world can wait!

Posted by Cloudenvy

@Vashyron: Thank god you understood what I'm getting at, haha, I literally have no idea what other word to use to describe it.

Posted by Mesoian

@CL60 said:

"We want Endurance run!!!! MAKE ONE!!!!!!!"

"Okay guys, here, we'll make one.. sheesh."

"NOOOO!!!!! NOT THAT GAME!!!!! AND PATRICK SUCKS!!!!!!! GAAAWDD!!!!"

Rule number 1: Never listen to your fans. Ever. They don't know what they want.

Edited by BRNK

Why does the openness of the game matter? You're not playing it, you're watching it... in a linear fashion. Also, what good does bitching about it do? Clearly, they are not going to stop the ER now and pick a different game. All complaining is accomplishing is pissing off half the community and flooding comments/boards with drivel.

Posted by phantomzxro

Well i will say that i do think it was a weird choice and a weird pairing because both Er before kind of showcased older jem people most likely missed or never knew about. Also ryan and patrick have not made the best team in videos (my opinion of course) because they are both great at playing off of other people so it weird not having a front man if you will.

But i feel that does not matter because beggars can't be chooser. I'm happy they are doing one even if i feel their may be better picks.

Posted by Oldirtybearon

Brono. His name is Brono.

I will tolerate Klepek for more genius like this.

Posted by Irvandus

If you want to watch it, watch it, if you don't, don't.

Posted by TentPole

@Cube said:

Chrono Trigger is totally unfit for an Endurance Run. So are the hosts. It's unfortunate they've got it so wrong this time around.

Posted by jorbear

@CL60 said:

"We want Endurance run!!!! MAKE ONE!!!!!!!"

"Okay guys, here, we'll make one.. sheesh."

"NOOOO!!!!! NOT THAT GAME!!!!! AND PATRICK SUCKS!!!!!!! GAAAWDD!!!!"

This basically sums up the nagging on the forums right now.

I think the first episode was great, and I'm excited to watch every goddamn episode the day they come out. If you don't like it, then don't watch it.

Posted by mutha3
@Vashyron said:

@Cloudenvy said:

It's not because Chrono Trigger is bad, some people just think it's unfit for an ER and I agree in some ways! it's short, linear and has no real quirks.

No more than P4. I mean, you are probably going to clock 40 hours assuming you assuming you are a first timer

Haha? What? 
 
Try 25 if you're really slow.
Posted by Matoya

Stop making these threads

Posted by Vashyron

@mutha3 said:

@Vashyron said:

@Cloudenvy said:

It's not because Chrono Trigger is bad, some people just think it's unfit for an ER and I agree in some ways! it's short, linear and has no real quirks.

No more than P4. I mean, you are probably going to clock 40 hours assuming you assuming you are a first timer

Haha? What?

Try 25 if you're really slow.

You are going to tell me that someone can do all of the side quest stuff and not blaze through the text and beat the game in 25 hours without prior knowledge and/or a guide?

Posted by mutha3
@Vashyron: "Do all the sidequests", what? First thing's first, firsttimers almost never do that and the GB guys definitely won't.
 
Secondly, CT is about 15-20 hours long if you play at a fast pace(which they probably will). The combat system is about as deep as a puddle and the game overall is a cakewalk.  Grinding is even more of a waste of time than it was in the P4 run.  Its also an incredibly straightforward, critical path friendly game.
 
I expect 30 hours from them, tops.
Posted by ch3burashka

Haters gunna hate. Pay them no heed.

Edited by D_Mac

Does anyone think they will try for the handful of multiple endings?

Also, there's something to be said for the appeal of Ryan, who hasn't played a lot of JRPGs, and few if any from CT's era. It's fun to see him coming at it from a "fresh perspective" (within reason, given his years of video-game experience).

I, for one, look forward to the inevitable hijinks and what not. There may be less potential than Deadly Premonition or P4 for nonsense, but I like the guys, and think they're funny, I'd listen to them read the phonebook together.

I suppose the point is, love it or hate it, it's note going away any time soon.

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@Video_Game_King said:

Plus they're not very good at it, and so much has been said about the game already that it's doubtful that there's anything left to be said.

You could level that argument against the entire site. It's not like there absolutely needs to be another fucking website about videogames. It's just that giantbomb happens to the best one of those in my humble opinion that enough other people seem to share so far. Stating that GB sucks at doing anything in a matter of fact way is just nonsense and nothing but your personal perspective - that you're entitled to of course. Don't like their ER? Watch one of the hundreds of Let's Plays that have to be out there, I'm sure. Don't like their unique take on gaming coverage? Go to one of the hundreds or thousands of sites that tackle the same subject from a different angle. I personally don't manage to catch every piece of video game coverage out there or play every fucking game since the existence of videogames so I pick and choose content I enjoy. More often than not that is stuff I find on GB due to my personal bias and opinions on games.

I have neither played Chrono Trigger nor have I heard much about it other than the amazing nostalgia and hype people still have for it. I don't feel like GB has ever been about the "hottest", "hippest" or "newest" topics - to me it's about a couple of dudes with very cool personalities that enjoy playing games and are good at communicating their views to my kind of nerdy view. Your point seems really ineffective and nitpicky - GB content never seemed to be about the most "hardcore" or "pro" coverage. I personally don't care how many damn nerds voiced their opinions on CT, I want to hear what Ryan and Patrick have to say about it. It's all I ever wanted out of GB.

Maybe I miss an essential point here, but none of the CT ER haters seem to do anything else but run-off-the-mill whining and bitching so far. We'll see but the first episode seemed pretty damn cool to me.

Posted by Vashyron

@mutha3: Oh, I don't expect them to do all of the sidequests (if any), cause that would be silly. My response was not even really aimed toward the ER. I also don't enter into an ER with expectations. I'm just along for the ride.

I was just arguing the finer points of a comparison between P4 and CT.

Posted by Mikemcn

I thought I could deal with the game itself, but I just don't find Ryan and Patrick to be as entertaining in the context of an endurance run as Brad, Jeff or Vinny. Ryan kinda held back the deadly premonition endurance run with brad.

Posted by Video_Game_King

@Baal_Sagoth said:

We'll see but the first episode seemed pretty damn cool to me.

Same here; I thought it was cool, but I was pointing out some noticeable flaws with this. They've gotten over the "things to say" hump, as far as I'm concerned (again, a difficult task when everybody has already played the game you're talking about), but not really the "being good at the game" hump. Maybe it's too early to call, but I don't like watching something and thinking that I could do it better. I didn't like it when Matt and Steve fell for the obvious trap in Resident Evil, and I don't like how Patrick and Ryan are fucking up a future event. You could make a case for Ryan fucking up, but not Patrick; he's played the game, so he should probably know "hey, don't be an asshole in the first ten minutes". Hell, the game tells you that when it becomes apparent that you shouldn't have been an asshole.

Posted by prestonhedges

@Mesoian said:

@CL60 said:

"We want Endurance run!!!! MAKE ONE!!!!!!!"

"Okay guys, here, we'll make one.. sheesh."

"NOOOO!!!!! NOT THAT GAME!!!!! AND PATRICK SUCKS!!!!!!! GAAAWDD!!!!"

Rule number 1: Never listen to your fans. Ever. They don't know what they want.

You'd have to be some kind of retard to assume those are all the exact same fans.

Posted by PrivateIronTFU

It wouldn't be the internet if people weren't bitching for no good reason.

Posted by huntad

Yeah, you're the only one...

Posted by Baal_Sagoth

@Video_Game_King: Understandable! I absolutely have moments of rage too when people fuck up or are confused in games I know in much more detail already. Plus in this particular case I'm obviously blissfully ignorant as I already hinted at, since I really know next to nothing about the game. We can only hope all sides will get some solid entertainment out of it in the end. Since ERs are somewhat of a rare occurence I understand people freaking out when they fear it may be a disappointment for them. I'm hoping for the best.

Posted by coakroach

Did I really want an Earthbound endurance run with Vinny and Jeff? Sure.

Did I still enjoy the first part of the Chrono Trigger endurance run with Ryan and Patrick? Absolutely.

Posted by The_Nubster

@Video_Game_King: Didn't Patrick say he was 11 when he played it?

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Posted by Mesoian

@gladspooky said:

@Mesoian said:

@CL60 said:

"We want Endurance run!!!! MAKE ONE!!!!!!!"

"Okay guys, here, we'll make one.. sheesh."

"NOOOO!!!!! NOT THAT GAME!!!!! AND PATRICK SUCKS!!!!!!! GAAAWDD!!!!"

Rule number 1: Never listen to your fans. Ever. They don't know what they want.

You'd have to be some kind of retard to assume those are all the exact same fans.

No, they're only the most vocal. Hell, one trip to the Endurance run's comment section is all you need to see where listening to your fans will get you. The general consensus to that mess is, "I don't like this, I wish it was different, I want something else, but I will sit here and watch all of this just because."

Don't listen to your fans and do what you want to do. They're your fans because you were doing that in the first place.

Posted by CornBREDX

I agree. But just ignore the whiners, they will never be happy with anything. I find when I ignore them I feel much better.

Also I'm enjoying the new ER and hope it gets all the way to the end. =)

Posted by Video_Game_King

@The_Nubster:

I can still remember things from when I was 11. I remember being a goddamn moron..

Posted by Hameyadea

Naming the MC Bruno would have been funnier, IMHO. But Brono is fine as well.

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