Griffinmills

It can be related to a behind the scenes change at GB HQ, doesn't hurt to ask here just to raise awareness that somenthing is up in general.

I'm not getting the Jeff error but I am having a devil of a time resuming any videos while trying to watch via GBVB. I have to hit play and scrub the video feed backwards a bit and pray. Even then the videos tend to bomb out (freeze playback) after a bit even when I get it to work. Generally starting a video works fine. Started in the last 12 hours or so.

Ipad mini 2, ios 8.3 latest GBVB

Video work okay in safari for now.

Thanks for chiming in Jeff, maybe gently nudge for a swap of defaults while we're at it? I was worried that Safari had been moved from the list of browsers that were "cool" or "tolerated" as per the live chat warning blurb.

I've been out for a while with extreme health concerns but I'm feeling better and just in time to pop back in and discuss some of these responses!

That is indeed how the topic started. I get why you might want to respond that way from the title of the thread and the initial response but the topic had grown and changed a bit. Right now we're looking into why PaleMoon doesn't work (it actually does totally work, see below) and if that why is too big of a hassle to be considered and addressed. It's the slightly more effort version of the, "I put PaleMoon into a search engine after rhetorically asking what it was and having already decided it is beneath my notice" style response. We are also looking for answers as to which browsers, specifically, are supported and if we're lucky, why.

Any chance you're yet another web developer that wants to chime on the questions I've raised? I can update the specifics a bit if it will help narrow down the exact problem. Using a user agent string override, found in the about:config for the most recent versions of PaleMoon, if I put a specific override for giantbomb.com as...

"Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/42.0 PaleMoon/26.0"

...the site works, as near as I can tell, one hundred percent! Including today's test of chat with the retro quick looks. This is from a user side experience, afaik maybe it makes everything explode over at server central?

To reiterate the relevant question, if all they have to do is serve the correct, I assume Firefox compatible, version of the website to PaleMoon, is that a difficult or unreasonable ask? If it isn't unreasonable then we can get back to seeing if they would like to support it.

Today's test actually revealed a pretty decent answer to one of my original questions. Which is the supported or cool browsers for giantbomb.com? Browsing to the live show chat on the PS4 revealed an error prompt for the chat (although you could still watch the video the chat did not work) an a hope that I could upgrade my browser. As Austin has said repeatedly as of late, "Good luck with that." The following was listed after a hilariously snarky paragraph about Mel the IT guy and his security policies.

"We strongly suggest Chrome"

"We're totally cool with Safari"

"We deal with Firefox"

"Oh and there's Internet Explorer"

Makes sense, Chrome has a huge market share and maybe giant bomb see's a skewed version where that is even bigger in their specific experience. What I'm seeing, in my experience, is that, if you can deal with Firefox you can deal with PaleMoon you just have to serve the Firefox version of the site rather than whatever is getting served to PaleMoon. I'm hoping, in light of this new evidence and the fact that it addresses the concerns of the OP when trying to participate in live chat, that we can reexamine the case and perhaps make an exception. With the reasonable understanding that, things may not be as simple as they appear.

I'll totally check out Waterfox. I hadn't heard of it before but I'm open to it, particularly if it is going to continue support for many of the addons that are going to go extinct in the upcoming language changes. Hopefully it does!

I actually have heard of Seamonkey, I used to use it myself a while back. I think it is a good example of why folks might use an off brand browser. To put it maybe a bit too flowery, it is made with love and care. As popular as Chrome is, there are alterenatives that can do things better and it looks like Seamonkey is, for fisk0, one of those. Appeal to popularity is one of the least popular fallacies with my generation. ;)

I joke. To be fair, popularity is a solid reason for giantbomb to build towards Chrome as their lead platform so to speak. It's just sort of common sense, nothing to laud or damn a business for. If you want to do something impressive or praiseworthy then look into supporting more than the big 4. You can't be expected to support every browser but perhaps some consideration and regard towards those that your customer base has been inspired to approach you about.

Yep, all sounds pretty banal and I'm sure without malice. Browser facts of life are what they are but they still contain minefields that require the asking of a direct question to someone in possession of the discrete facts and the authority to speak on the topic. Not that I doubt the well written response from a friendly web developer that was passing by. I thank you for your efforts to respond in a less comical dismissive tone. I'm sure you basically hit the nail on the head but I don't want to move forward on assumptions if I don't have to. I, and I'm sure the OP, understand that there will be issues due to choice of browser. But while it's one thing to encounter issues it is another thing to be summarily dismissed when attempting to initiate communication about those issues.

I know that Giant Bomb works for day to day usage with Pale Moon. The only problem I've ever seen is inability to highlight text unless I do one of two things, block giantbomb.com in my noscript addon, or spoof my user agent as a modern version of Firefox. Maybe the latter of which might fix the live stream chat issue above, maybe not. I do not doubt that, if we could get a decent dialog going, we could root out the cause of any issues and perhaps get that information into the hands of the people that can do something about it. Be it the Pale Moon devs or Giant Bomb.

This leads into the topic of focusing developer efforts into areas where it does the most good. While I have the attention of at least two web developers in this thread I'll throw a hypothetical out there. Pale Moon is updated on a reasonable schedule and they work very closely with their own forum community to address user issues with websites and addons alike. If, with their help, we found that Giant Bomb was simply serving up a poorly functioning version of the site based on an unfamiliar user agent string reported by Pale Moon would it be asking too much to have something like that fixed on the Giant Bomb side? While it doesn't seem like an outrageously labor intensive request I don't want to commit that age old fallacy of, "It's an easy fix!"

Hopefully I've not given the impression of a ranting, bearded mountain man making outlandish demands. While I AM bearded and DO live on the side of a mountain I CAN be reasonable. I am aware that Giant Bomb are in day 16 or so of putting out fires due to a behind the scenes change up in video distribution that has left that aspect of the site all kinds of busted. Totally understandable that emergency issues like that need to take precedent and that it may take weeks to fully iron out before we can get back to little things niche browser support.

I'm on a mini2 here as well but thusfar Video Buddy is still working properly, fingers crossed for luck in this regard. I know this doesn't directly help you out but maybe it can help the Top Men to figure out your particular case knowing it works for some?

That's too bad, I switched to PaleMoon myself back when Firefox announced they were basically axing their current version of support for addons. It is a great little browser for folks that liked firefox before it decided to become another chrome. Stuff generally works great on it although I have to block giantbomb.com in noscript in order to highlight text normally for some odd reason when using it. I can't think of another site that doesn't work with palemoon out of the box that I frequent other than Giant Bomb. Their official forums are very good about communicating and helping folks with any problems they do have with sites.

What browser do we have to use to be cool and not mocked/ridiculed/teased or whatever this, I'm sure good natured, jocularity portends in the realm of supported browsers and is there a place where I can easily keep updated on this list?

Hmm, I rarely watch but I do care, and about more than who wins. "Don't watch, but I like to see who wins." is kind of close but not fully accurate, I wonder which to throw my vote to?

@the_nubster: jkcinema.com urban legend series. Only a guess but it seems to match all your criteria listed and stumbled across it by googling a few variations of combinations "urban legends text to speech narration faces belmez" landed me this youtube result and bob's your uncle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y2abFmcvj0

Check the xbox internet test, if you are getting an ip that starts with 169.254.x.x and a subnet of 255.255.0.0 then you aren't being assigned an IP by the new wierless modem and router you bought. If you are on wireless did you remember to delete the old wireless profile and password on the xbox and put in the new one? If not on wireless then you'll have to check that the new router is serving up DHCP addresses.