" You should check out Evochron: Mercenary. Very cool downloadable space sim. Its completely free form. You can explore, trade, fight, and everything else you would expect in a space sim. It also takes a pretty interesting (and challenging) approach to combat using its "newtonian physics". Also dynamic planet descents are fun.  Costs $30 but there is also a demo you can check out. "

I love them but I don't know if we'll ever see a big budget space sim.  Too complex, too difficult for a lot of people to navigate in 3D.  People complained about being disorientated in the zero-G sequences in Dead Space.  That's going to be far worse for them in an open 3D environment with fewer visual cues.
 
I'd personally love to see a Frontier/Elite game made for the modern age.  like Eve Online but with real exploration and you know, fun.

  I would love a Freelancer 2, I know that for most space sim fans it was too much arcadey but still I enjoyed the eff out of that game.
 

@PenguinDust

" I found this on the web.  It's a PC game released in 2008 (well, an updated version of a 2006 game actually).    I don't know anything about the game, but it shows that someone somewhere is still looking at the genre.  I wonder how terrestrial flight sims are doing these days.  I know that Tom Clancy's HAWX did well enough to warrant a sequel, but I'm not sure if games like IL-2 Sturmovik and Blazing Angels broke even.  If there is no money in flight sims then developers might be hesitant to create space flight sims unless they are attached to recognizable properties and LucasArts hasn't done anything with the X-Wing/Tie Fighter series in a decade.
Galactic Command – Echo Squad SE    

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What was the first picture of? That looks awesome to play. 

Hopefully we'll get a reboot by Lucasarts and be playing 'The X-Wing' soon, followed by 'The TIE Fighter', etc.
 
I LIVED for space sims back in the day, particularly the Lucas Arts portfolio. I spent years mucking around with mods for X-Wing: Alliance, using a hex editor to insert my own ships into the game via a tonne of user-created models, and playing turn-based campaigns using an external program that modified the skirmish mode in the game.  Nothing more satisfying than managing to take on a squad of TIE Defenders with my ragtag pirate fleet of R-41 Starchasers, T-Wings, and Z-95 Headhunters.  
 
Fuck it, I'm reinstalling and digging out my old Sidewinder.

I think that Lucasarts need to take a long hard look at the crap that they've been spewing out labelled with a Star Wars logo and think about reviving their space sim stuff. I remember spending hours playing those games and it makes me sick to think about any of the crap that they've tried to put out recently.  About the only think that I can think of that was good was the lego game. 
 
So, hey, Lucasarts. Here's a freebie. Why not make a Lego Xwing vs Tiefighter game?  You could give players that awesome space sim game with lots of customization options (it's lego, duh) and people might actually give a shit because the Star Wars license alone isn't enough to sell a game anymore.

No. Space sims are terrible, like X3. I do, however, really want a space game that is more twitch based with a good story. Something like Mass Effect 3 in ships.  
 
I want to fly around and blow shit up without having to deal with Space Spreadsheets like they all make you. I played 3 simultaneous eve accounts for over a year, I'm done with that. 
 
Edit: Check out Infinity Online as well. It'll never be released, but the tech vids are worth a few orgasmloads of potential. 
   

You should check out Evochron: Mercenary. Very cool downloadable space sim. Its completely free form. You can explore, trade, fight, and everything else you would expect in a space sim. It also takes a pretty interesting (and challenging) approach to combat using its "newtonian physics". Also dynamic planet descents are fun. 
 
Costs $30 but there is also a demo you can check out.

No mention of Freelancer? My favorite space sim game of all times!

" Have you checked out the X series? X3: Terran Conflict and X2: Gold are fantastic, "hard sci-fi" sims. Trading, piloting, piracy, politics, the works. They're a very acquired taste, but it's a great alternative to the classics you already listed. "

I would love to see the return of the space-sim from more well known developers that could make a good and polished one.  
 
If you haven't played it yet I suggest Independence War 2: Edge Of Chaos, its a decent looking single player space combat sim with some trading and weapon creation as well, it was a great game that few people seem to remember. Their was nothing like waiting at ungoverned  L points for freighters to jump through and then steal their cargo and get your pal to lift it and sell it back at your base. It was meant to come to consoles aswell but only ended up on PC, I wonder how well it would have done on consoles.  

Total Annihilation
 
times five

Unfortunately, the game industry needs to shown that this genre is still viable. Look at adventure games. They stopped being made because they weren't selling anymore and by the hard work of some talented developers, they slowing built up the reputation of the genre again. And with the re-release of old classics like the Secret of Monkey Island SE, it really gave the genre a boost.
 
Same goes for fighting games, which have also seen a recent boost.
 
I think if they did something like re-release X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter for the XBLA, PSN and Steam, or something like that we might see a resurgence. But the reality is the majority of people who buy games nowadays didn't play those classic space sims back in the day, so no realistic amount of the the game buying demographic are asking for it.

You are right. Freespace 2 is the best game ever. More games like that would be massively appreciated, I find that the X series has the learning curve of running into a brick wall and it doesn't have the same ability to tell a story like the closed off mission structured games such as Freespace or TIE Fighter. If space-sims did make a big return I'd prefer to see something more like Freespace than some modern Elite that's too intimidating for a large number of people to get into.

" I could never get into space sims because I always had two pet peeves.  1: I couldn't walk around inside my ship and see the crew, parts, etc.  2: I couldn't get out and walk around any of the planets or space-stations I visited. "

I could never get into space sims because I always had two pet peeves.
 
1: I couldn't walk around inside my ship and see the crew, parts, etc.
 
2: I couldn't get out and walk around any of the planets or space-stations I visited.

I found this on the web.  It's a PC game released in 2008 (well, an updated version of a 2006 game actually).    I don't know anything about the game, but it shows that someone somewhere is still looking at the genre.  I wonder how terrestrial flight sims are doing these days.  I know that Tom Clancy's HAWX did well enough to warrant a sequel, but I'm not sure if games like IL-2 Sturmovik and Blazing Angels broke even.  If there is no money in flight sims then developers might be hesitant to create space flight sims unless they are attached to recognizable properties and LucasArts hasn't done anything with the X-Wing/Tie Fighter series in a decade.
Galactic Command – Echo Squad SE    

I haven't even thought about a space sim in ages. I could play one.

Mass Effect + X3 = *orgasm*

I don't like twitch fighting Space Sims, but give me a space sim with ship controls like in Sins of a Solar Empire, Nexus: The Jupiter Incident or even EVE Online, and I will play it for years. I would love to have seen the space battles in Empire At War be extracted into a larger scale game, with more upgradeable space stations and tech trees. Those are the kinds of Space Sims I LOVE!

This makes me depressed about freelancer 2. One thing i have noticed is that space sim's age surprisingly well.

Dammit i just ruined my morning by looking up some pre-rendered footage of freelancer 2. 

Games used to cost a lot less to make, pc gaming was mainstream and a significant portion of the public was willing to invest in a flightstick to get the full experience. 
 
I don't see those days or the space sim ever coming back, unfortunately.

Technology is definitely one of the factors that, I think, have been holding something like this back. Yes, TIE Fighter and Wing Commander did a great job with limited tech, but if you're talking about online, competitive play where milliseconds count, that's a tough one to do. Ace Combat did a pretty lackluster job with its online play, but they had the right idea. I just hope we get more games in this genre instead of the MMO projects like Jumpgate Evolution and Black Prophecy. They look great but they're MMOs and that's NOT the same.
 
@Godzilla_Sushi:
A friend of mine actually just gave this to me. I have yet to fire it up since time doesn't seem to be on my side lately. I've heard nothing but great things about it though. I have played Homeworld and Homeworld 2 if that helps any. Both were pretty great games, very involving, but as a three-dimensional RTS it's not the same as controlling your own ship.

   I think the last space sim I played was Freelancer(?).  Really love the genre but EVE seems to be all that is left.  While I'm sure EVE is cool, I don't have the time for some insanely deep MMO with a massive learning curve.  I've thought about checking out X3, but that seems to be a little heavy on the economy side for me, I like to shoot stuff.

I've been saying it on forums for years but yea we definitely need space sims to make a return.  And I don't mean janky, half broken Eastern European developed ones.  We need to get some top tier developers working on them.  And why not?  It's one of the most ignored gaming genres today.  The sheer originality of making a quality space sim / shooter would guarantee major sales.
 
I'm not in favor of any super complicated ones though.  Tie Fighter was complex enough, but even a game that recreated the quality of Wing Commander with up to date visuals would be wildly welcome to me.

Id be up for more Space Sims.

" So what are your thoughts on Sins of a Solar Empire?  Not a space sim, but an opinion I'd like to hear! "

Have you checked out the X series? X3: Terran Conflict and X2: Gold are fantastic, "hard sci-fi" sims. Trading, piloting, piracy, politics, the works. They're a very acquired taste, but it's a great alternative to the classics you already listed.

Huh, you're right. There hasn't really been much like that for quite a while, even if you consider the Rogue Squadron Franchise.

So what are your thoughts on Sins of a Solar Empire?
 
Not a space sim, but an opinion I'd like to hear!

In a world where gunmetal grey and post-apocalyptic settings are taken and reused without a second thought, it apparently hasn’t occurred to anyone that reviving this genre could lead to a much needed creative burst throughout the industry. Sure, there’ve been games here and there that employ space exploration and combat, but it’s been nothing too serious. The Colony Wars trilogy created a successful feel on the Playstation, but the wind was quickly taken out of its sails in Red Sun. EVE online remains successful, but it’s a highly involved MMO and not something as accessible as any of the aforementioned games. Honestly it’s quite baffling when you think about it.

There have been plenty of titles that take place in space, but it’s not the same as playing in it. Mass Effect does an excellent job at exploratory devices in the black, but you’re not actually piloting a hunk of expensive, sleek looking material; and that’s a big difference. Having your own personal fighter means you’ve got the ability to cut and mold it to your liking with the magical properties of space-travel to boot. For example, being able to turn 360 degrees in any direction allows for free-form maneuverability, thus allowing you to shake bogies and missiles in a plethora of ways.  Altering speed, hitting a turn just at the right moment to get that perfect missile trajectory, your fighter is a piece of you and it’s all in how you utilize it. The closest you can probably get to a quality space-sim, believe it or not, is located in the vast skies of Ace Combat. Impossibly over-sized bosses, intense dog-fights, and more missiles than any third-world country could amass make it feel exciting, albeit for a game taking place within the confines of gravity.

Customization isn’t a new thing, but aerial/space combat games are the only ones that allow total freedom in movement. So allowing you the opportunity to customize individual play styles furthers my bewilderment as to why these games are so few and far between. More so than that, combat scenarios, such as in Wing Commander, ramp up to insane levels and allow you to go about it in your own way. The feeling you get as your convoy is ambushed is absolutely nothing like the emotion you’d receive in present day games. Do you take down the capital ship and in turn leave your freighters open to attack? Or perhaps you take its engines offline and simply move away from the assault as you and your wingmen mop up the surrounding fighters. Present day games treat these scenarios as trivial and forgettable, which is what sets games like Wing Commander apart from the rest.

Constant use of a setting that’s churned out successful games isn’t going to disappear, but the industry must explore different settings if it’s to become more of an exciting place. Space-sims are definitely one of the most neglected genres and that’s probably because developers/publishers feel the market isn’t grasping for them. They’d be right, but with a single break-out hit a forgotten genre can bloom into a successful one. Just look at what Red Dead Redemption did for the western. It’s just further proof that unique, compelling, and absurdly fun games are waiting beneath the dusty shelves of the past. What just a little polish could bestow unto unsuspecting gamers.
 

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