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Remember when consoles used to last forever?

Last night whilst watching the Superbowl (I'm English, so it was an evening event for me), I got nattering to my friend about retro gaming. Last year I went on a mental GBA frenzy and played all the games I couldn't afford whilst growing up; The Minish Cap was a particular highlight. This led off onto another topic that I brought up previously in my last post: remember when consoles used to work forever?
 
Old consoles: they were analog, they felt cheap...some of them were spring loaded and required additional impliments to help them run*. But you know what, they worked. And they still work. I plugged my N64 a few days ago and it worked. Not only did it work but its didn't drop frames or struggle, it didn't mis-read anything or just crash out at random. And it was bloody good fun too. My GBA still works. My original GameBoy still works. My GameGear still works.
 
I know systems these days are a lot more complicated, with more components to help them screw up, but is that any excuse for them to conk out after just a few years of ownership? I don't think that it is.
 
My PS3 YLOD'd a few months ago and I was gutted. So gutted, that I took to it to bits with a screwdriver and a heat gun and fixed the damn thing. It won't stay repaired forever though and sooner or later I will have to replace it. I think thats unacceptable, personally.
 
But is it now a standard part of modern console ownership?
 
*I always kept a spoon near my consoles, lost track of how many times I have used one to get my console running in some form or another!

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@Jeffsekai: I hate you.
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@TooWalrus said:
" And on the upside, this generations games are generally better than previous generations. "
Not in build quality, especially with those load-times, popping in-textures, pixelated shadows, and ugly shaders.
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 Nintendo's consoles past NES era are particularly good when it comes to reliability I have found.
 
All my old consoles work, they're all in fantastic condition. 

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@Born said:

" @LaszloKovacs said:

" Seeing as how those systems are about as complex as a cordless phone while the new ones are routinely pushing the limit of what we can do with microprocessors in consumer electronics 20 years later, I'd say it makes sense that they fail more often.  Plus, the warranties are getting better to compensate. My older brother owned a NES for about two weeks before it died on him and nobody would replace it. That's why I grew up in a Sega-only house until the PSX/N64 generation. "
You think it "makes sense" that they release products that are constantly failing?  That kind of  "please sir, may I have another" thinking, is the very reason they don't try harder. "
 First of all, it's understandable that the failure rate would go up - if you know anything about microprocessors, it's sort of incredible we can manufacture them in large numbers at all (average yield is something like 60-70% of what they put on a wafer, and for something as complex as a Cell it's as low as 10-20%). So yes, it does make sense. I didn't say that's what should happen, just that it is w hat happens with new technology.
 
Secondly (I assume you're talking about Microsoft here since they're sort of the elephant in the room), MS has lost a tremendous amount of money on hardware from lawsuits and warranty extensions this generation. I've actually had a few die on me and have yet to be charged a single dollar - they did it all on their own dime (which they absolutely should have). I'm pretty sure there is plenty of financial incentive for them to QA more thoroughly next time, especially if they don't rush to push their next product out a year early like with the 360.
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Remember when love used to last forever? 

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@Metal_Gear_Sunny said:
" Remember when love used to last forever?  "
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Well...as if by tempting fate with this post, my PS3 yellow lighted for the second time. So tomorrow I will spend my day fixing it again. Then I will spend money replacing it and switiching over my files. Do you know the real bummer...my new copy of Bioshock 2 is sat right next to it. 
 
I confess to having sniffed the instruction manual several times.

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My launch PS2 is nearly 10 years old and it works fine. 
 
I am on my fourth 360.

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my lunch day ps2 is still kicking

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@jaffaz: I made a blog similar to this a while ago... I feel the same way.
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Never had any console break on me.  Still have the 360 I've had for more than a year now and it's working fine.

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There have always existed manufacturing defects in consoles. The Atari 5200 had defective controllers. Original model NES (American) has a finnicky/defective lockout mechanism. Every CD-based "old" system has issues recognizing discs due to the mechanical lifespan of the disc drives (specifically the lasers).
 
My NES still works, but many games need some severe deep-cleaning to work correctly. The cartridge tray springs make a very creaky noise, and even if I oiled them, I'm sure they're very well near the breaking point. Way back when, my model 2 Genesis failed and we ended up buying a Genesis 3 a couple years later. 
 
Anyway, the point is that it doesn't just happen today. Sure. it's more widespread with one whacky scenario with the Xbox 360 that I'm still amazed hasn't gotten Microsoft into deep, deep trouble, but that's one isolated case. Every console has their failure rates, though.

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I fired up my gamecube a while ago and it ran like new.