Jax

"EDIT:@ Jax, obviouslyYes, and I pointed out why your point isn't valid. Ideas have value. If people are allowed to take ideas, then the ideas no longer have value, in the economic sense. "

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"chililili said:

"Jayge said:

"Milkman said:

"In other words, you have absolutely nothing to contribute to the argument except "You're wrong. I'm right." Please just go back to the IRC or just anywhere else where you're not wasting our time. "

Milkman! Speaker for the collective! I'm sorry, master!/sarcasmI've contributed multiple things to the ongoing discussion in this topic. Mostly pointing out people's stupid double-standards and logic errors. The irony here is that you've done nothing in this thread besides flame other people in your usual ridiculous manner. You're making a fool of yourself at this point. Just stop. It's a little embarrassing to watch."

Yeah I'm gonna jump in the wagon too and kick milkman too! Now that we got that out of the way... wow this thread is more than a month old and people are still flaming each other in it? I have to agree with Jayge that piracy is not the same as stealing.  I've pirated games, but those are games I would never buy anyway so it doesn't count. If say I want to buy Killzone 2 and instead I pirate it, that would I guess constitute as lost revenue for the company. But by large the majority of most games that are pirated are not equal to lost revenue. I find that the current punishment for piracy is unfair and idiotic, this problem will only get worse until people somehow find a way to use the internet to sell more. For me piracy is not a problem until companies do not have enough revenue to produce new properties, which is simply currently not true right now (except on the psp). Something must be done, yes but nothing will be solved by flaming each other in a forum."

Once again, as brought up a thousand times in this thread, if you steal a car from a dealership, can you just say "I wasn't going to buy it anyway" and get away with it? "

A car costs money to produce because of the materials. A video game, once uploaded to the internet is simply data from an ISO. It can be copied and pasted 100000x and cost the developers nothing. "

Development costs quite a good deal, and such costs are only apart of the issue. More relevant is copyright. Similarly, writing a book costs very little, publishing it on the internet would cost no more than relatively small bandwidth costs. However, a full time writer would have invested a great deal of time that could have been spent working for a wage. People would buy his books because his ideas have value, and he is entitled to profit by selling them. Similarly, out time and skill also has value, even if it doesn't exist physically. That's why you are entitled to a wage when you work."

"Jax said:

"Milkman said:

"chililili said:

"Jayge said:

"Milkman said:

"In other words, you have absolutely nothing to contribute to the argument except "You're wrong. I'm right." Please just go back to the IRC or just anywhere else where you're not wasting our time. "

Milkman! Speaker for the collective! I'm sorry, master!/sarcasmI've contributed multiple things to the ongoing discussion in this topic. Mostly pointing out people's stupid double-standards and logic errors. The irony here is that you've done nothing in this thread besides flame other people in your usual ridiculous manner. You're making a fool of yourself at this point. Just stop. It's a little embarrassing to watch."

Yeah I'm gonna jump in the wagon too and kick milkman too! Now that we got that out of the way... wow this thread is more than a month old and people are still flaming each other in it? I have to agree with Jayge that piracy is not the same as stealing.  I've pirated games, but those are games I would never buy anyway so it doesn't count. If say I want to buy Killzone 2 and instead I pirate it, that would I guess constitute as lost revenue for the company. But by large the majority of most games that are pirated are not equal to lost revenue. I find that the current punishment for piracy is unfair and idiotic, this problem will only get worse until people somehow find a way to use the internet to sell more. For me piracy is not a problem until companies do not have enough revenue to produce new properties, which is simply currently not true right now (except on the psp). Something must be done, yes but nothing will be solved by flaming each other in a forum."

Once again, as brought up a thousand times in this thread, if you steal a car from a dealership, can you just say "I wasn't going to buy it anyway" and get away with it? "

A car costs money to produce because of the materials. A video game, once uploaded to the internet is simply data from an ISO. It can be copied and pasted 100000x and cost the developers nothing. "

So what? Video game designers need to get paid too. Just because its easy doesn't make it right. Think of it like a movie. If someone makes a movie and 1 person films a bootleg and then distributes it to everyone else, the makers of that film are not getting paid for their work, even though money is not being directly taken out of their pockets. Same deal with video game makers. "

"chililili said:

"Jayge said:

"Milkman said:

"In other words, you have absolutely nothing to contribute to the argument except "You're wrong. I'm right." Please just go back to the IRC or just anywhere else where you're not wasting our time. "

Milkman! Speaker for the collective! I'm sorry, master!/sarcasmI've contributed multiple things to the ongoing discussion in this topic. Mostly pointing out people's stupid double-standards and logic errors. The irony here is that you've done nothing in this thread besides flame other people in your usual ridiculous manner. You're making a fool of yourself at this point. Just stop. It's a little embarrassing to watch."

Yeah I'm gonna jump in the wagon too and kick milkman too! Now that we got that out of the way... wow this thread is more than a month old and people are still flaming each other in it? I have to agree with Jayge that piracy is not the same as stealing.  I've pirated games, but those are games I would never buy anyway so it doesn't count. If say I want to buy Killzone 2 and instead I pirate it, that would I guess constitute as lost revenue for the company. But by large the majority of most games that are pirated are not equal to lost revenue. I find that the current punishment for piracy is unfair and idiotic, this problem will only get worse until people somehow find a way to use the internet to sell more. For me piracy is not a problem until companies do not have enough revenue to produce new properties, which is simply currently not true right now (except on the psp). Something must be done, yes but nothing will be solved by flaming each other in a forum."

Once again, as brought up a thousand times in this thread, if you steal a car from a dealership, can you just say "I wasn't going to buy it anyway" and get away with it? "

Lol. I pirate games because I'm a cheap ass, and I don't game as hardcore as I used to (after having my 100+ collection stolen). I won't sit here and blame anyone but myself. It's free, and easy to do. I might get caught, but it's the risk I run. So what? You can piss over me for all I care because I pirate games, but in the end, it's my choice and I'll live with the consequences.

"I don't have much to say in response to what you said Jax, but:

1. I don't think you quite understand the concept of a strawman, or as you put it, "stickman"

2. You're second argument may be more of a straw man than the first

3. Were I not 10 years old at the time, I'd have voted for Al Gore, despite my affiliation. Not in hindsight, but because we needed an environmentalist president.

Also, MarcusofLycia's post was excellent.

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The classic strawman: Make a ridiculous argument and attribute it to one perceived 'group' that you wish to demonize so that the fact that your opinions are entirely indefensible is completely ignored.

I could try to imply that Michael Moore represents every single liberal/democrat/socialist, but then I would be indulging in the same sillyness. I will not do that. 

You're subjected to Rush, Hannity and Fox News everyday? Funny thing, I'm a self proclaimed conservative and I'm not subjected to it at all. It seems that you're watching and listening to the wrong networks.

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Thanks guys, been finding some fun ones. Keep em coming :)

I don't have any games right now, they're back home. So all I can do is play online flash games. I've been to Newgrounds.com and found some pretty decent adventure ones, but I'm finding it hard to quench my tastes. I'm into platformer style games like Zelda, Jax and Daxter, Banjo Kazooie, etc, etc. Mario and the like. Does anyone have any good websites where I can find decent flash adventure games? Thanks.

I'm guessing this is Skynet's first attempt at layering skin and creating personality within the machines. So as their first attempt, they fuck up and actually transfer his whole personality (memories, thoughts, perceived self) into the machine, and in essence it's a good terminator because it overrides it's mission to kill. I duno, *shrugs shoulders*