LD50

@Snail said:

@Mageman said:

@Snail said:

@Brodehouse said:

@Snail Avoiding things that are dangerous for your body's long term health include playing sports, having sex and reading.

Another user was putting salt and sugar on the same level as drugs. Are you now putting practicing sports, having sex, and reading (activities that intrinsically contribute to your health, well-being and/or intelligence) on the same level as consuming ecstasy?

I'm also not sure how apt this discussion has become to the Giant Bomb forums.

Nobody was putting it on the same level as drugs, I just said that MDMA can be used and has been in the past to help other people, and is a good recreational drug. By the same way you can overuse a drug you can other substances.

Well, I'm going to go ahead and suggest that it take a whole lot less of ecstasy to irreversibly fuck up your brain than it takes sugar to irreversibly damage your dopamine releases.

I'm guessing you're going to send some new-age theory my way that tries to make sense of the opposite.

EDIT: I'm pretty sure we're outside forum rules at this point. I know Giant Bomb mods condone the discussing of illegal stuff like drug-taking on the forums. I'm not entirely sure this is out-of-bounds though, since none of us is saying we take drugs. Still, without providing a personal opinion of your life-choices, I have to say the innuendos on your end are pretty strong in that aspect so I don't know.

Dude.

Eating is rewarded with dopamine.

"In an earlier post The Sugar Made Me Do It, I covered recent research by de Araujo, Oliveira-Maia et al. on how food, specifically sucrose, can reinforce eating by activating mid-brain dopamine circuitry, even in the absence of taste. In the accompanying editorial essay by Andrews and Horvath, this great graphic appeared, representing what is known about how eating can act on the hypothalamus and on the mesolimbic dopamine system (ventral tegmental area, nucleus accumbens, and prefrontal cortex).

Here is a much more convincing link to how eating can become appetite-driven, which previous posts on Genetics and Obesity and On the Causes of Obesity had raised as an important issue in the obesity problem.

Just one more note on the graphic: in terms of how taste can affect dopamine function, see some thoughts in the post on the neuropeptide orexin."

We eat because of how it makes us feel.

http://neuroanthropology.net/2008/04/25/dopamine-and-eating/

@nohthink said:

I didn't know Bing Bong was an actual artist...

Well, some bad shit went down in the 90's and she was laying low.

Naw I'm just kidding bro. Bing Bong is a style of music. It's like a rolling two-tone polyrhythmic electronic music.

It was big in the UK underground scene in the 90's.

Yo fresh new bing bong hit for that ass called "Dance Now":

http://soundcloud.com/biasedpropaganda/dance-now

@jking47 said:

@LD50: Your right, someone should fix that. Secondary psychedelic properties are bullshit imho.

Fair enough bro. I capitulate, lol.

@jking47 said:

@LD50 said:

@jking47 said:

@LD50 said:

If anyone watches it let me know how it turns out. In the meantime, any thoughts on the use of MDMA as a psychological aid or any other hallucinogens for that matter?

Just so you know, MDMA is not a hallucinogen. It is an amphetamine. Very big difference.

I would say that these kind of substances could have a use in medicine, but taking it on TV is fucking stupid. I don't even get what the point of watching people on MDMA is, not gonna be fun or anything.

Gotcha. Should have said psychedelic drugs. Thanks.

Heh, don't mean to keep correcting you but they are not psychedelics either. MDMA does not produce any hallucinations, so does not fall under either of those categories.

Huh, someone needs to fix wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_psychedelic_drugs

And New Scientist Magazine:

"Drug dealers originally wanted to call MDMA "empathy" because of the powerful feelings of "loved up" warmth it induces. MDMA is also a stimulant and a mild psychedelic."

Ecstasy's long-term effects revealed

* Published on 11 February 2009

* In New Scientist Magazine, issue 2695

* by Graham Lawton

http://www.maps.org/media/view/ecstasys_long-term_effects_revealed/

;)

@jking47 said:

@LD50 said:

If anyone watches it let me know how it turns out. In the meantime, any thoughts on the use of MDMA as a psychological aid or any other hallucinogens for that matter?

Just so you know, MDMA is not a hallucinogen. It is an amphetamine. Very big difference.

I would say that these kind of substances could have a use in medicine, but taking it on TV is fucking stupid. I don't even get what the point of watching people on MDMA is, not gonna be fun or anything.

Gotcha. Should have said psychedelic drugs. Thanks.

"Pure Ecstasy Is Safe, Canadian Doctor Says, But Don't Buy 'E' On The Street"

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2012/06/14/155033464/canadian-health-official-says-pure-ecstasy-is-safe

"People have horrible memories, and in psychotherapy the idea is that they should be able to talk about them. In PTSD, when faced with that prospect, it can be so overwhelming that they can't do it. So the rationale for using MDMA is that it allows people to open up." - Dr Robin Carhart-Harris

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/sep/16/mdma-drug-experiment-channel-4

"Researchers from Birmingham University claimed the designer drug, also known as MDMA, could be used to treat leukaemia, lymphoma and myeloma after making it 100 times more effective at suppressing growth."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/8709920/Ecstasy-could-be-used-in-cancer-treatment.html

"Ten of the 12 patients (83%) who were given MDMA no longer showed PTSD symptoms after two months of treatment — in fact, they didn't even qualify as PTSD patients any more. Only two of the eight patients in the placebo group showed such improvement. Three MDMA patients who had told researchers they could not work because of their PTSD returned to their jobs after their MDMA sessions."

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2004887,00.html

I don't live in the UK so I won't be watching it live. It's on Channel 4 and it's a two part series on the drug Ecstacy. Yesterday they had a debate on the subject, tonight they have two people taking it on live television for an hour or two. Here's a Vice article about the show they did yesterday:

"Well, the votes are in, and the count's findings are conclusive: Britain loves ecstasy. The party drug was the real winner last night on Drugs Live, a UK game show where a soldier named Phil, a lady priest named Hayley, and stern-faced We Need to Talk About Kevin writer Lionel Shriver (she's a woman) competed to see who could get the most wasted on MDMA in the name of “making TV history.”

http://www.vice.com/read/drugs-live-britain-loves-ecstasy

I've heard that studies have been done regarding the use of MDMA in psychology. Using it for treatment of PTSD and helping people with terminal diseases cope with end of like depression. Of course, I can't talk about any personal expirience as per forum rules. Here's the link to the web player for the show:

"Nearly half a million people are believed to take the Class A drug ecstasy every year in Britain and the country was dubbed the 'drug-taking capital of Europe' in a recent EU Drugs Agency report.

Now, in a UK television first, two live programmes will follow volunteers as they take MDMA, the pure form of ecstasy, as part of a ground-breaking scientific study."

http://watchlive.channel4.com/C4

If anyone watches it let me know how it turns out. In the meantime, any thoughts on the use of MDMA as a psychological aid or any other hallucinogens for that matter?

EDIT: Oh christ, the typo in the title. I wish I could fix that.

@Sploder said:

It's just didgeridoo music that the stupid mainstream is eating up. REAL Bing Bong started in the UK club scene in the late 90's and it has polyrhythms n' shit.

I was talking to a friend of my girlfriends the other day, she's from England. She was tellin me about the polyrhythms. She said they were legendary, and that this song reminded her of them. She said it wasn't a dubstep remix, that it's actually a bing bong track:

I was like pffft whatever. I can see where you're coming from, but that's totally not bing bong. It's about the spaces between the beats. She said they don't talk about it much anymore because the parties they played b bong at got really huge and the cops showed up all the time.

Seriously.