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Ten Things I Hate About Community Image Moderation

(Before I continue, I think the community moderation is a great idea, and it works. This is more about the user-base, not the moderation system)

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After reviewing over 7,000 submissions, there are some nasty trends out there that are starting to drive me crazy.
Ed: In light of starting to go through submissions again, I remembered one point that I failed to have on my list the first time through and it has subsequently been added.

First, let's look at "DA RULES" that are posted at the top of the community moderation, which I believe all would-be image uploaders would do well to read. My personal opinion is that those should be shown to people who bring up the uploader for the first time (or for the first time within their session).

  1. Are too small (be less strict on non-screenshots)
  2. Include a watermark from another site (IGN, Gametrailers...etc)
  3. Are attached to more then one platform. (PC and Xbox 360 both)
  4. Create a new gallery that is not needed or poorly named

If your image has any of those points and you still upload it, then IT IS BAD AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD.

And if I see it in the image queue, I will click that "I disapprove of this edit" with the fury of ten thousand suns.

Now then, without further ado:

The Top Eleven Things I Hate About Your Sumission:
  1. Redundant Galleries. If you are uploading an image to a location/concept/character/etc, there is absolutely no need for a gallery with the same name. I would not be going to the "Homer Simpson" gallery looking for pictures of "Sonic the Hedgehog" so Homer doesn't need his own folder.
  2. Wallpaper Galleries. There is Google images for this. I came to look for screenshots, not what you threw together in photoshop for this game.
  3. Ten art galleries for the same game. While I don't always check (and that is a bit of an exaggeration), too many games have more than one art work gallery. You are mincing words if Artwork is different from Concept Art is different from Art. Period. This could be quickly remedied if GB created an "Artwork" Gallery by default.
  4. Illegible text on a PC screenshot. There's really no excuse for this besides laziness. You're at a computer and playing a PC game. For crying out loud, use Paint if you have to.
  5. Watermarks. This is a no-brainer, and yet they're still everywhere. By the way, the single best one I've come across so far is someone who tried to make a "Watermarked" gallery for a game. Don't do that. Ever. Again.
  6. Characters don't need their own galleries (on a game's page). We have character pages for this.
  7. Gag images. LOL THAT IMAGE UPLOAD OF A KID HOLDING A PENCIL WAS SO FUNNY, RIGHT GUYS?
  8. Weapons pages on a shooter. We have object pages for this.
  9. Fanart. No.
  10. Contents of the box images. Box art is not the place for pictures of your instruction manuals (which I believe are a no-no in general) or cartridges.
  11. Out-dated box art. If the game is out there is no reason to upload boxart that still has ESRB's "Rating Pending" stamped on it. Try again, please.
Now then, feel free to upload. Remember though, be smart about it.

I know that by posting this, I am being a gigantic hypocrite because I am probably guilty of at least a couple of those on more than one occasion, but it had to be said.
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Edited By Leone
(Before I continue, I think the community moderation is a great idea, and it works. This is more about the user-base, not the moderation system)

Be careful: This may happen to you.
Be careful: This may happen to you.































After reviewing over 7,000 submissions, there are some nasty trends out there that are starting to drive me crazy.
Ed: In light of starting to go through submissions again, I remembered one point that I failed to have on my list the first time through and it has subsequently been added.

First, let's look at "DA RULES" that are posted at the top of the community moderation, which I believe all would-be image uploaders would do well to read. My personal opinion is that those should be shown to people who bring up the uploader for the first time (or for the first time within their session).

  1. Are too small (be less strict on non-screenshots)
  2. Include a watermark from another site (IGN, Gametrailers...etc)
  3. Are attached to more then one platform. (PC and Xbox 360 both)
  4. Create a new gallery that is not needed or poorly named

If your image has any of those points and you still upload it, then IT IS BAD AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD.

And if I see it in the image queue, I will click that "I disapprove of this edit" with the fury of ten thousand suns.

Now then, without further ado:

The Top Eleven Things I Hate About Your Sumission:
  1. Redundant Galleries. If you are uploading an image to a location/concept/character/etc, there is absolutely no need for a gallery with the same name. I would not be going to the "Homer Simpson" gallery looking for pictures of "Sonic the Hedgehog" so Homer doesn't need his own folder.
  2. Wallpaper Galleries. There is Google images for this. I came to look for screenshots, not what you threw together in photoshop for this game.
  3. Ten art galleries for the same game. While I don't always check (and that is a bit of an exaggeration), toomanygameshavemorethanoneartworkgallery. You are mincing words if Artwork is different from Concept Art is different from Art. Period. This could be quickly remedied if GB created an "Artwork" Gallery by default.
  4. Illegible text on a PC screenshot. There's really no excuse for this besides laziness. You're at a computer and playing a PC game. For crying out loud, use Paint if you have to.
  5. Watermarks. This is a no-brainer, and yet they're still everywhere. By the way, the single best one I've come across so far is someone who tried to make a "Watermarked" gallery for a game. Don't do that. Ever. Again.
  6. Characters don't need their own galleries (on a game's page). We have character pages for this.
  7. Gag images. LOL THAT IMAGE UPLOAD OF A KID HOLDING A PENCIL WAS SO FUNNY, RIGHT GUYS?
  8. Weapons pages on a shooter. We have object pages for this.
  9. Fanart. No.
  10. Contents of the box images. Box art is not the place for pictures of your instruction manuals (which I believe are a no-no in general) or cartridges.
  11. Out-dated box art. If the game is out there is no reason to upload boxart that still has ESRB's "Rating Pending" stamped on it. Try again, please.
Now then, feel free to upload. Remember though, be smart about it.

I know that by posting this, I am being a gigantic hypocrite because I am probably guilty of at least a couple of those on more than one occasion, but it had to be said.
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I'd have to agree with most of those points. Fan art can get pretty annoying....save it for deviant art or something...

I love the pic. It should be posted everywhere....

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Edited By Johnny5

Good post except maybe 10? I mean whats so bad about uploading box content? Why is the boxart more important then the disc art. Also as far as I know its not against the rules.

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Here Here!

I would add that a screenshot can not be a 360 screenshot, PS3 screenshot & a PC screenshot all at the same time. If you don't know what it is, then only upload it to the general screenshot gallery.

Secondly, if you are posting a series of screenshots that advance the character all of 10 feet, I think you should re-examine the value of that contribution.

Thirdly, don't attach an image to multiple games. That's just dumb. I realize Link looks like that in Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass, but it's either one or the other.

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Edited By Disgaeamad

The three things that annoy me most are the watermarked images, the fanart and the wallpapers. As you said, Google can be used for fanart and wallpapers.

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Johnny, I wasn't saying that posting that itself is bad- feel free to post it in the root gallery- but "Boxart," at least in my opinion, refers specifically to the BOX and what the BOX looks like. Post your cartridges and CDs in the root gallery, but Boxart will get cluttered if people are putting extra shots in there. I mean, when I'm working on an article, I just want to be able to find the shots to post on releases quickly and painlessly.

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Edited By Hulk

This post very funny to Hulk, especially since Hulk usually get behind the scenes up to the minute commentary as Leone mod pictures.

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I disagree with most of your points. It seems you don't want to have an open user based community at all.

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Edited By Johnny5

Oh sorry my mistake. Then yes you're totally right.

However we need to be able to delete our own submissions if we realise we accidently overlooked something, instead of having to wait for a mod to reject (or possibly accept) it.

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I think a distinction should be drawn between official desktop wallpaper produced by a company and fanart wallpaper. It actually is kind of nice to have a single resource where I can find wallpaper related to a game, but it needs to be of a certain level of quality. This is generally a level of quality that can only be achieved by the game's production company. For example these Okami backgrounds were found on the Clover website and look amazing. Yes, they are like artwork, but only because that's the style of the game. It's nice to have all of those in one area.

I also disagree with the cartrdige/manual images. The look of a cartridge or disc can often be interesting and it is nice to have a record of these things.

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Edited By Leone

@Bobby, Like I said in my own comment- my gripe is not towards the contents themselves, but the fact that they're being put in the "Box Art" gallery. If any of the galleries are gonna be clean, at the very least it can be the box-art one.

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Thank you for not blaming me.  I just code, if you call coding slapping my knuckles on the keyboard and hope for the best.

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I agree for the most part, I do however disagree with the stance on fanart. I believe that as long as the fanart is of high quality, or otherwise sports some kind of redeeming attribute like humor or information, that it is worth posting in the gallery. Theres some really good stuff out there.

I guess the only problem, however, is that people have different standards in terms of what they consider quality... some a lot lower than others.

Great post, though. Good advice.

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Yeah, overall my intention with this blog was less "Here, let me force my opinion on you" and more of a "read the rules for crying out loud" because some of my main ones on the list are essentially reiterations of the rules.

My personal stance on fan-art: There's good fan-art, there's bad fan-art and there's every shade of gray in between. I just think the game pages are supposed to be more objective, informational and technical. I wouldn't give a rat's ass if there were "official fan-art" thread/galleries in the game's forums, but that the page itself be for people who are just looking for information about the game.

I know the guys said in the most recent bombcast that they're up for putting in merch, so I guess my views are just a little off from what the staff thinks and I figured as much. If they're for fan-art, go ahead- I'm one dissenting voice out of some 15,000.

My gripe with fan-art is less that people are putting it in there, but that people make multiple galleries for it. Too many games are cluttered with redundant galleries, so while I don't necessarily shoot down fan-art (because shit, some of the stuff that gets uploaded looks great), it's me shooting down the gallery because it just promotes the action of creating hundreds of galleries.

A game page does not need Box-art, Screenshots, <Platform> Screenshots, Concept Art, concept art, art, artwork, level art, maps, Art, player art, character art, character concept art, ad inifinitum, all at the same time. It gets out of hand quickly and goes from looking professional to sloppy in an instant.