Something went wrong. Try again later

LinksOcarina

This user has not updated recently.

233 285 14 15
Forum Posts Wiki Points Following Followers

How I Stopped Worrying About the VGA's and Dropped This Bomb

  

As the holidays draw closer to us, three things happen. One, a ton of shopping for your respected holiday, but it Christmas, Chanukah, or Festivus to name a few, will likely get done. Second, you’ll get fat with all the food you will eat. Always. Lastly, it becomes award season for all the entertainment industries, which begin to pump out the best stuff of the year, supposedly, in the span of eight weeks before January.

So what does this mean for video games? Why it’s the annual Spike TV Video Game Awards, a piece of poop that for the past six or so years has airs on the “network for men” channel to promote the best video games of the year. With star-studded hosts like Samuel L. Jackson taking center-stage with some other B-list celebrities, the VGA’s have become a fixture for the video game world, a fixture that is more like a dark stain on the souls of mankind that needs to be removed to the depths of hell as soon as possible.

You might be wondering right about now, why am I so bitter towards something that can be seen as harmless? It promotes decent games all the time and it also gives us some credit as a medium. To which I reply with a snarky roll of the eyes and say you’re wrong. The Spike TV VGA’s is really more detrimental than you think, because what it does is cater to the lowest denominator for the audience in the end, turning what a night of deserving accolades should be into a political popularity contest for the masses to enjoy. Granted this is similar to the Oscars and the Grammys, but at least they hide it better. The VGA’s are just blatant about it.

So what is really so bad about it? Well, for starters, it’s the inconsistency of the reward categories. Last year, there were 25 categories for games to win awards in. This year, they added four more to the list, some of which repeat themselves. It also the categorization’s in the past that sometimes made no sense. 2007 was particularly bad, having “Best Military Game” and “Most Addictive Videogame.” As major categories. The categories seem to come and go as they please. “Best performance by a male/female” voice actor (which for some reason is ALWAYS A KNOWN CELEBRITY over an actual voice artist.) disappeared in 2007, when it was a part of the ceremony in 2006, and was later added in 08 and the upcoming awards show this December. The inconsistencies’ make it hard to track anything in terms of a narrative of the show. The only staples are genre awards (usually best shooter, action game, RPG and sport sim and console games) and the two big awards (Game of the Year and Best Studio/Developer.)

Speaking of celebrities, they put a lot of emphasis on them over the games themselves, and even less emphasis on the game developers and producers. Unlike a more stable award show like the Interactive Achievement Awards (IAA), the VGA’s try to make things as flashy as possible for everyone to I guess enjoy.  The celebrity hosting, cameo’s and promotions for the celebs in-game essentially mask the purpose of the awards at times; which is honoring the hard work the developers did. Granted, the VGA’s used to have a designer of the year award, but that was dropped for two extra categories for the celebrities. In fact, of the 29 categories, five of them deal with celebrity voices in game, and some of these categories are repeats of themselves, like “Best voice” and “Best Male/Female performance.” The choices are all different, however, so perhaps it was just a bad ploy to get more celebs in the running.

Then we get nonsense categories like “Most Anticipated Game.” I mentioned this briefly above, but when your award show is going to hand out an award for a game that was not released yet, and is all about hype, there is a problem. In fact, a lot of the games nominated are usually the result of hype-fueled debates. These categories take away from the show, turning it into the prom contest we don’t need to see.

Another problem is the timing of everything. Most award shows begin around February, with selection throughout January on the previous year awards. The VGA’s seems to do things in December, and selects games in November. The timing is way too short of a deadline to pick a good list, and since the year is not finished yet and three of the five games up for game of the year came out literally within the week of the nominations being announced, it is hard not to draw conclusions over a major problem of biased nominations. The three games in questions, “Modern Warfare 2,” “Left 4 Dead 2,” and “Assassins Creed 2” were all hyped up to be the best games of the year, and while I am sure each has its own strengths and weaknesses, the fact that they came out days before the announcements of the nominations is a major problem. It once again seems to be more about hype over results, and while many gamers will argue for one over the other, the simple fact that other games which are just as good, or even better in some opinions, were left out on the cold.

And perhaps the most damning thing the VGA’s can do is being biased. As I said, the Oscars and Grammys do it all the time, but nine times out of ten they can mask it. Here, it’s blatantly obvious ALL THE TIME. Take, for example, “Muramasa: The Demon Blade.” While it was a really niche title in terms of it’s play style, and it was on the Nintendo Wii, it was beautiful, frantic and overall fun, an experience this year that is being overlooked at the VGA’s because it was not nominated in any category. Even for “Best Wii Game” it was shut out, and instead we get “Madworld” and “Wii Sports Resort” two games that, while good, paled in comparison to “Muramasa.” The inclusions of these two show something about the VGA’s. For one, they rely on bigger name companies, SEGA and Nintendo respectfully, over an obscure developer like Vanillaware and Ignition entertainment. It also shows a major difference between tastes of gaming; “Muramasa” was a Japanese developed game which looked the part, the latter were games that looked more western, or at least not as Japanese as they could have been depending on the company like Nintendo and Sega. Lastly, one can argue that “Madworld” is included just because it waas  rated M filler game that was on a Wii. This can bring up a whole new debate if it win’s best Wii game over the likes of “Punch Out!!” and “Super Mario Bros. Wii," although to be fair this is unlikely.

But the shafting of “Muramasa” is not the only oversight. Other great games this year, “Dragon Age: Origins,” “Scribblenauts,” and “Blazblue” each got shafted in their own way. “Dragon Age” is up for best RPG and PC game, but not game of the year, developer of the year, and best cast. “Blazblue” is only up for best fighting game this year, and not for soundtrack and graphics. Lastly, “Scribblenauts” was shafted by being nominated for best Hand held game only, and is not up for any other categories like best developer, which it could be nominated for.

Now granted, the majority of the games nominated were chosen for a reason in their categories. And this is where varying opinions as to why these games are up for game of the year, or why other games are not nominated at all. But, it seems to me at least, the bottom line always comes down to two things, money and ratings. To put butts in front of the boob tube they need to pick the big draws. There is no denying games like "Modern Warfare 2," which had so much pre-release hype and sold around 2 million copies on launch day, is a big draw. It puts any Wii gay nominated for Wii Game of the year to shame, in fact I doubt those five games combined can even be half of  what "Modern Warfare 2" has sold in general since launch. There is nothing wrong with popularity in this sense, but it is the business-like mentality that lets games like "Muramasa" slip by. It is more about the bottom line over the merits of the game; to sell it for viewers at home they put the AAA titles, whether they deserve it or not, up for nominations over the little guys which, to some gamers, should at least get some degree of recognition for their hard work.

And this is what you can say separates the VGA's from other award shows. The Oscars, despite being political, at least nominate movies that, while for the general audience may not enjoy, understand, or like them at all, they get the recognition they deserve. Not every "Gladiator" or "Lord of the Rings" movie nominated would win either, sometimes we get the more obscure "Crash" or "The English Patient" over something more well known. It is debatable if they deserve it again, but the fact that they are nominated is recognition for the merits of the medium they are trying to present. For games, it comes down to partially what is known to be popular through sales and word of mouth, and partially what is familiar to the general population. 

 

The Spike TV VGA’s are, in effect, the obvious popularity contest you would expect at a high school prom. The most likeable to the masses get’s the top billing, even when they don’t deserve it. The flashy celebrity appearances, the lack of respect for the developers, both mainstream and independent, the total exclusion of deserving games in numerous categories all concocts a disgusting potion that frankly is not worth our time as gamers. Yet the problem persists because now outlet’s like Gamestop try to promote the VGA’s as much as possible. There is nothing wrong with that, but when the popularity contest is getting more ink than the peer-reviewed award shows, like the IAA’s, there is a serious problem for the industry as a whole, because even the Oscars, for all of its political dealings, is peer reviewed. If we want to be taken seriously, the IAA’s, or an IAA-style award show needs to be pushed more over the bloated mess that the VGA’s takes on every year. We may not be able to stop it, but as time goes on and gamers grow up with their medium, I just hope that they discover how much of a stinking turd this award show is.

But you know what? What is the point? Everyone reading this knows that the VGA's are a joke, so why make this point. I guess there really is no point to the pointlessness, other than a plus one rant for my own ego to stroke for a week. But frankly, the fact that no one talks about issues like this is a problem if you ask me. Every year many games shout in disdain against the VGA's and other subsequent award ceremonies, so what is stopping these said gamers from showing it to others out there. There is no point to this, but I guess I shouldn't worry either, because everyone knows it in the end as well.

25 Comments

25 Comments

Avatar image for linksocarina
LinksOcarina

233

Forum Posts

285

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 56

User Lists: 0

Edited By LinksOcarina

  

As the holidays draw closer to us, three things happen. One, a ton of shopping for your respected holiday, but it Christmas, Chanukah, or Festivus to name a few, will likely get done. Second, you’ll get fat with all the food you will eat. Always. Lastly, it becomes award season for all the entertainment industries, which begin to pump out the best stuff of the year, supposedly, in the span of eight weeks before January.

So what does this mean for video games? Why it’s the annual Spike TV Video Game Awards, a piece of poop that for the past six or so years has airs on the “network for men” channel to promote the best video games of the year. With star-studded hosts like Samuel L. Jackson taking center-stage with some other B-list celebrities, the VGA’s have become a fixture for the video game world, a fixture that is more like a dark stain on the souls of mankind that needs to be removed to the depths of hell as soon as possible.

You might be wondering right about now, why am I so bitter towards something that can be seen as harmless? It promotes decent games all the time and it also gives us some credit as a medium. To which I reply with a snarky roll of the eyes and say you’re wrong. The Spike TV VGA’s is really more detrimental than you think, because what it does is cater to the lowest denominator for the audience in the end, turning what a night of deserving accolades should be into a political popularity contest for the masses to enjoy. Granted this is similar to the Oscars and the Grammys, but at least they hide it better. The VGA’s are just blatant about it.

So what is really so bad about it? Well, for starters, it’s the inconsistency of the reward categories. Last year, there were 25 categories for games to win awards in. This year, they added four more to the list, some of which repeat themselves. It also the categorization’s in the past that sometimes made no sense. 2007 was particularly bad, having “Best Military Game” and “Most Addictive Videogame.” As major categories. The categories seem to come and go as they please. “Best performance by a male/female” voice actor (which for some reason is ALWAYS A KNOWN CELEBRITY over an actual voice artist.) disappeared in 2007, when it was a part of the ceremony in 2006, and was later added in 08 and the upcoming awards show this December. The inconsistencies’ make it hard to track anything in terms of a narrative of the show. The only staples are genre awards (usually best shooter, action game, RPG and sport sim and console games) and the two big awards (Game of the Year and Best Studio/Developer.)

Speaking of celebrities, they put a lot of emphasis on them over the games themselves, and even less emphasis on the game developers and producers. Unlike a more stable award show like the Interactive Achievement Awards (IAA), the VGA’s try to make things as flashy as possible for everyone to I guess enjoy.  The celebrity hosting, cameo’s and promotions for the celebs in-game essentially mask the purpose of the awards at times; which is honoring the hard work the developers did. Granted, the VGA’s used to have a designer of the year award, but that was dropped for two extra categories for the celebrities. In fact, of the 29 categories, five of them deal with celebrity voices in game, and some of these categories are repeats of themselves, like “Best voice” and “Best Male/Female performance.” The choices are all different, however, so perhaps it was just a bad ploy to get more celebs in the running.

Then we get nonsense categories like “Most Anticipated Game.” I mentioned this briefly above, but when your award show is going to hand out an award for a game that was not released yet, and is all about hype, there is a problem. In fact, a lot of the games nominated are usually the result of hype-fueled debates. These categories take away from the show, turning it into the prom contest we don’t need to see.

Another problem is the timing of everything. Most award shows begin around February, with selection throughout January on the previous year awards. The VGA’s seems to do things in December, and selects games in November. The timing is way too short of a deadline to pick a good list, and since the year is not finished yet and three of the five games up for game of the year came out literally within the week of the nominations being announced, it is hard not to draw conclusions over a major problem of biased nominations. The three games in questions, “Modern Warfare 2,” “Left 4 Dead 2,” and “Assassins Creed 2” were all hyped up to be the best games of the year, and while I am sure each has its own strengths and weaknesses, the fact that they came out days before the announcements of the nominations is a major problem. It once again seems to be more about hype over results, and while many gamers will argue for one over the other, the simple fact that other games which are just as good, or even better in some opinions, were left out on the cold.

And perhaps the most damning thing the VGA’s can do is being biased. As I said, the Oscars and Grammys do it all the time, but nine times out of ten they can mask it. Here, it’s blatantly obvious ALL THE TIME. Take, for example, “Muramasa: The Demon Blade.” While it was a really niche title in terms of it’s play style, and it was on the Nintendo Wii, it was beautiful, frantic and overall fun, an experience this year that is being overlooked at the VGA’s because it was not nominated in any category. Even for “Best Wii Game” it was shut out, and instead we get “Madworld” and “Wii Sports Resort” two games that, while good, paled in comparison to “Muramasa.” The inclusions of these two show something about the VGA’s. For one, they rely on bigger name companies, SEGA and Nintendo respectfully, over an obscure developer like Vanillaware and Ignition entertainment. It also shows a major difference between tastes of gaming; “Muramasa” was a Japanese developed game which looked the part, the latter were games that looked more western, or at least not as Japanese as they could have been depending on the company like Nintendo and Sega. Lastly, one can argue that “Madworld” is included just because it waas  rated M filler game that was on a Wii. This can bring up a whole new debate if it win’s best Wii game over the likes of “Punch Out!!” and “Super Mario Bros. Wii," although to be fair this is unlikely.

But the shafting of “Muramasa” is not the only oversight. Other great games this year, “Dragon Age: Origins,” “Scribblenauts,” and “Blazblue” each got shafted in their own way. “Dragon Age” is up for best RPG and PC game, but not game of the year, developer of the year, and best cast. “Blazblue” is only up for best fighting game this year, and not for soundtrack and graphics. Lastly, “Scribblenauts” was shafted by being nominated for best Hand held game only, and is not up for any other categories like best developer, which it could be nominated for.

Now granted, the majority of the games nominated were chosen for a reason in their categories. And this is where varying opinions as to why these games are up for game of the year, or why other games are not nominated at all. But, it seems to me at least, the bottom line always comes down to two things, money and ratings. To put butts in front of the boob tube they need to pick the big draws. There is no denying games like "Modern Warfare 2," which had so much pre-release hype and sold around 2 million copies on launch day, is a big draw. It puts any Wii gay nominated for Wii Game of the year to shame, in fact I doubt those five games combined can even be half of  what "Modern Warfare 2" has sold in general since launch. There is nothing wrong with popularity in this sense, but it is the business-like mentality that lets games like "Muramasa" slip by. It is more about the bottom line over the merits of the game; to sell it for viewers at home they put the AAA titles, whether they deserve it or not, up for nominations over the little guys which, to some gamers, should at least get some degree of recognition for their hard work.

And this is what you can say separates the VGA's from other award shows. The Oscars, despite being political, at least nominate movies that, while for the general audience may not enjoy, understand, or like them at all, they get the recognition they deserve. Not every "Gladiator" or "Lord of the Rings" movie nominated would win either, sometimes we get the more obscure "Crash" or "The English Patient" over something more well known. It is debatable if they deserve it again, but the fact that they are nominated is recognition for the merits of the medium they are trying to present. For games, it comes down to partially what is known to be popular through sales and word of mouth, and partially what is familiar to the general population. 

 

The Spike TV VGA’s are, in effect, the obvious popularity contest you would expect at a high school prom. The most likeable to the masses get’s the top billing, even when they don’t deserve it. The flashy celebrity appearances, the lack of respect for the developers, both mainstream and independent, the total exclusion of deserving games in numerous categories all concocts a disgusting potion that frankly is not worth our time as gamers. Yet the problem persists because now outlet’s like Gamestop try to promote the VGA’s as much as possible. There is nothing wrong with that, but when the popularity contest is getting more ink than the peer-reviewed award shows, like the IAA’s, there is a serious problem for the industry as a whole, because even the Oscars, for all of its political dealings, is peer reviewed. If we want to be taken seriously, the IAA’s, or an IAA-style award show needs to be pushed more over the bloated mess that the VGA’s takes on every year. We may not be able to stop it, but as time goes on and gamers grow up with their medium, I just hope that they discover how much of a stinking turd this award show is.

But you know what? What is the point? Everyone reading this knows that the VGA's are a joke, so why make this point. I guess there really is no point to the pointlessness, other than a plus one rant for my own ego to stroke for a week. But frankly, the fact that no one talks about issues like this is a problem if you ask me. Every year many games shout in disdain against the VGA's and other subsequent award ceremonies, so what is stopping these said gamers from showing it to others out there. There is no point to this, but I guess I shouldn't worry either, because everyone knows it in the end as well.

Avatar image for rhaknar
Rhaknar

6300

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 12

Edited By Rhaknar

no offense, but all that to say the VGAs are worthless? we already know that mate, or most of us do I hope

Avatar image for raikohblade
RaikohBlade

603

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By RaikohBlade

 @LinksOcarina:  Of course, I think we all know that such awards only serve to increase sales on mainstream games. And if some of us don't know that, they need to educate themselves with great haste. Such awards, along with that Game of the Year garbage are utterly useless and totally subjective. All of these awards are subjective, yes, even the best graphics award, as you have already shown. A game can have really awesome realistic graphics, but what if you are into high quality 2D art, like Blazblue? See, awards are complete nonsense.

Avatar image for sparky_buzzsaw
sparky_buzzsaw

9909

Forum Posts

3772

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 39

User Lists: 42

Edited By sparky_buzzsaw

Good read.  My biggest problem with the VGA's is the blatant bias towards games with larger advertising dollars - read: the companies who can provide the biggest bribes.
Avatar image for linksocarina
LinksOcarina

233

Forum Posts

285

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 56

User Lists: 0

Edited By LinksOcarina
@Rhaknar said:

" no offense, but all that to say the VGAs are worthless? we already know that mate, or most of us do I hope "

The original title of this was "The Point of Pointlessness: Or How I Stopped Worrying about the VGA's and Dropped This Bomb." I know it's pointless to rant on something everyone knows is true, but in a weird sense that is the point of the article too.
 
Darn Giant Bomb for making me choose between a clever title and a double entendre.
Avatar image for luke
Luke

1816

Forum Posts

8475

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 5

User Lists: 7

Edited By Luke

This was very well written and I feel the same way on almost every point (as I stated in this Thread:  http://www.giantbomb.com/forums/general-discussion/30/spike-vga-awards-get-hype/272330)
 
Muramasa was one of the best games on the Wii along with Little King's Story and yet they totally got the shaft.  I believe they even reviewed better than Madworld did, yet somehow it got put on the list over them.  
 
Furthermore, since regular old joe internet users are voting for these games on a public poll, then why in hell were Modern Warfare 2, Left 4 Dead 2, and Assassins Creed 2 even up there?!  There is no possible way that anyone can make a 100% unbiased full opinion on these nominations, within such little time. 
 
Anyway, I really can't read these VGA Topics anymore on any website.  They kinda just piss me off that the gaming industry has become so lame :'( 

Avatar image for deactivated-5c5cdba6e0b96
deactivated-5c5cdba6e0b96

8259

Forum Posts

51

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 3

I don't know how Modern Warfare isn't going to win every award there, not because it's good but because the VGA's are fucking stupid and it's the only big mainstream video game awards event so every single MW2 fan is going to vote, it'll probably even win best sport sim.

Avatar image for torus
torus

1106

Forum Posts

6

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

Edited By torus

I love the title. 

Avatar image for jeffgoldblum
jeffgoldblum

3959

Forum Posts

4102

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

Edited By jeffgoldblum

It will be okay. We won't let the VGA's hurt you again.

Avatar image for linksocarina
LinksOcarina

233

Forum Posts

285

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 56

User Lists: 0

Edited By LinksOcarina
@JeffGoldblum said:
" It will be okay. We won't let the VGA's hurt you again. "
I feel all warm and fuzzy now, thank you :).
Avatar image for yetiantics
yetiantics

1520

Forum Posts

19

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: -1

User Lists: 4

Edited By yetiantics

Madden won GOTY in the first VGA (or was it 2nd)... still the show was doomed from the start. 
Still a good watch though... still a good watch.
Avatar image for linksocarina
LinksOcarina

233

Forum Posts

285

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 56

User Lists: 0

Edited By LinksOcarina
@PantyshotMQN said:
" Madden won GOTY in the first VGA (or was it 2nd)... still the show was doomed from the start. Still a good watch though... still a good watch. "
 
As a little bonus, here is the list of  Game of the year winners. 

2003: Madden 2004
2004: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
2005: Resident Evil 4
2006: Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
2007: Bioshock
2008: Grand Theft Auto IV
 
Of this list of highest praise, I would say they at least gave it to some appropriate titles, with the exception of Madden, GTA IV, and arguably RE 4, but frankly nothing good came out in 2005 that I can remember anyway.
Avatar image for luke
Luke

1816

Forum Posts

8475

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 5

User Lists: 7

Edited By Luke
Avatar image for staticfalconar
StaticFalconar

4918

Forum Posts

665

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 2

Edited By StaticFalconar

yeah, that would totally explain why batman is up there.

Avatar image for capum15
Capum15

6019

Forum Posts

411

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Capum15
@PantyshotMQN said:
" Madden won GOTY in the first VGA (or was it 2nd)... still the show was doomed from the start.  Still a good watch though... still a good watch. "
Pretty much my feelings on it. It's entertaining, but I don't take it seriously. 
 
Plus, the "World Exclusives" are my main motivation; show me some Reach!
 
Good read though TC, said what everyone thinks.
Avatar image for pause
pause422

6350

Forum Posts

16

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By pause422

The VGAs is trash and it always will be trash. Its the laughing stock of the video game industry in terms of a big show of some kind. pretty sure 99.9% of everyone knows this already. I dont know how you ever "worried" about the VGAs, though. Its nothing to worry about, its something to make fun of if anything.

Avatar image for yeahno
yeahno

282

Forum Posts

40

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By yeahno

Isn't Jeff a judge? I wonder how he feels about it.

Avatar image for nighttide
Nighttide

35

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Nighttide

I've never watched a single VGA. To me, it just seems like one giant, glorified advertisement for multiple game companies at once. Not an awards show.

Avatar image for hatking
hatking

7673

Forum Posts

82

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By hatking

DR.STRANGELOVE REFERENCE! ♥  
 
Also yeah they are pretty pointless but I still watch it for the hell of it... although I usually find myself cringing through most of it. :/
Avatar image for quacktastic
Quacktastic

1065

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Quacktastic

It's on Spike, of course it's an advertisement-driven appeal to the lowest common denominator.  It might as well be on the Disney Channel.  That's how things make money.
The Twilight movies and books have likely outsold your respective favorites and might win more irrelevant accolades.
Stanley Kubrick has never won an MTV Movie award.  Should you give a shit?  Of course not.

That said, idiots are allowed to have fun.  Let them.

Avatar image for captain_insano
Captain_Insano

3658

Forum Posts

841

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 5

User Lists: 15

Edited By Captain_Insano
No Caption Provided
Avatar image for linksocarina
LinksOcarina

233

Forum Posts

285

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 56

User Lists: 0

Edited By LinksOcarina
@Captain_Insano said:
"
No Caption Provided
"
I'm glad so many people like the reference....
Avatar image for emilio
Emilio

3581

Forum Posts

1268

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 6

Edited By Emilio

Dude, who takes the VGA's serioulsy? I can't believe people actually watch that garbage (but then again, we're on season 54 of American Idol).

Avatar image for claude
Claude

16672

Forum Posts

1047

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 18

Edited By Claude

For entertainment purposes only.

Avatar image for dalai
Dalai

7868

Forum Posts

955

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 0

Edited By Dalai

I kinda put the VGAs in the same category as the VMAs... a bunch of mainstream bullshit that matters little to actual people.  I don't care who wins or loses, it's just another celebrity party.