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Does anybody else think...

...that the four star rating for halo reach was incredibly predictable? Honestly, ratings on this site can be predicted by the respective reviewer’s level of excitement prior to the game's release. Jeff's general apathy towards the release of the game (and I'm not just talking about that twitter post, you can listen to the bombcast and hear what I’m talking about) was clear evidence that none of the fundamental changes shown off in the beta or referenced in other reviews would make that much of an impact on him, as opposed to other games.
       That brings me to a question I've been considering for a while. By the logic of my thinking above, Drew should have reviewed this game. Clearly Drew has the most experience with the Halo franchise, and would have appreciated the changes the most, and he most likely would have given the game a higher score.

       HOWEVER, is that the best way to review a game? Should a spoken fan of the franchise review the game, because they will understand the gravity of the changes, or should someone who doesn’t care review the game, because they will be more willing to expose the game’s flaws?
 
EDIT: Please focus on the last paragraph of this post, I'm just using the Reach review as a framing device for my question

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...that the four star rating for halo reach was incredibly predictable? Honestly, ratings on this site can be predicted by the respective reviewer’s level of excitement prior to the game's release. Jeff's general apathy towards the release of the game (and I'm not just talking about that twitter post, you can listen to the bombcast and hear what I’m talking about) was clear evidence that none of the fundamental changes shown off in the beta or referenced in other reviews would make that much of an impact on him, as opposed to other games.
       That brings me to a question I've been considering for a while. By the logic of my thinking above, Drew should have reviewed this game. Clearly Drew has the most experience with the Halo franchise, and would have appreciated the changes the most, and he most likely would have given the game a higher score.

       HOWEVER, is that the best way to review a game? Should a spoken fan of the franchise review the game, because they will understand the gravity of the changes, or should someone who doesn’t care review the game, because they will be more willing to expose the game’s flaws?
 
EDIT: Please focus on the last paragraph of this post, I'm just using the Reach review as a framing device for my question

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4 stars. Good game, not perfect. I don't see what the problem is...

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post@TheLegendofLuke:  Not the point, man. I'm using that as an example to make a general point about the process of reviewing games. Read the whole post please. There is a reason this is in general discussion 

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The point of a review is for the audience to weigh if this game is for them.  If people share Jeff's view on games then they see the four stars and say "This is good."  It shouldn't matter who reviews it as long as they talk about the game in depth so people know what the game is about.

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@marlow83 said:
"      But, is that the best way to review a game? Should a spoken fan of the franchise review the game, because they will understand the gravity of the changes, or should someone who doesn’t care review the game, because they will be more willing to expose the game’s flaws?
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And every reviewer no matter what they're biases are should talk about the flaws.
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@SethPhotopoulos said:
" @marlow83 said:
"      But, is that the best way to review a game? Should a spoken fan of the franchise review the game, because they will understand the gravity of the changes, or should someone who doesn’t care review the game, because they will be more willing to expose the game’s flaws?
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And every reviewer no matter what they're biases are should talk about the flaws. "
That's very true. But, you're talking about a perfect world where critics can objectively describe the game's flaws and their overall impact on the game. I'm saying that most reviewers will either ride the game's flaws off as not serious, or will consider them a more serious detriment to the overall quality. All I'm asking is which is more beneficial to the audience of the reviewer. 
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@marlow83 said:
" @SethPhotopoulos said:
" @marlow83 said:
"      But, is that the best way to review a game? Should a spoken fan of the franchise review the game, because they will understand the gravity of the changes, or should someone who doesn’t care review the game, because they will be more willing to expose the game’s flaws?
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And every reviewer no matter what they're biases are should talk about the flaws. "
That's very true. But, you're talking about a perfect world where critics can objectively describe the game's flaws and their overall impact on the game. I'm saying that most reviewers will either ride the game's flaws off as not serious, or will consider them a more serious detriment to the overall quality. All I'm asking is which is more beneficial to the audience of the reviewer.  "
Reviews should be subjective because what works for some people doesn't work for others.  You have to get people scores who didn't care and people who are fanboys to get a wide assortment of opinions so the person reading the reviews can make an informed decision.  
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@marlow83: I did read the whole post. It just seemed like you were butthurt because a neutral (the kind of person who should be reviewing the game, IMO) didn't give it a perfect score.  
 
I really don't see the discussion to be had here.
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So your saying give a fanboy their favorite franchise to review so that it gets a perfect score so that other fanboys can say their game is perfect.  Or you could give it to an extreme hater of the game so they give it a low score so all the haters can bash on it with a smile.  Or or or give it to someone in the middle so the they can see the games flaws and strengths.  Thats why I think neither Jeff or Brad should review MK9 when it comes out. 

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@TheLegendofLuke said:
" 4 stars. Good game, not perfect. I don't see what the problem is... "
 Giantbomb is the only site i can trust these days to put up a realistic review and score, other sites seem like they have an obligation to give a well renown game a high score, because they fear being the ones saying the what needs to be said, so IGN will always give a popular game a higher score, Jeffs review seems perfect, granted i haven't played the game but it seems in line with what I've seen and read so far
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@SethPhotopoulos said:
" @marlow83 said:
" @SethPhotopoulos said:
" @marlow83 said:
"      But, is that the best way to review a game? Should a spoken fan of the franchise review the game, because they will understand the gravity of the changes, or should someone who doesn’t care review the game, because they will be more willing to expose the game’s flaws?
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And every reviewer no matter what they're biases are should talk about the flaws. "
That's very true. But, you're talking about a perfect world where critics can objectively describe the game's flaws and their overall impact on the game. I'm saying that most reviewers will either ride the game's flaws off as not serious, or will consider them a more serious detriment to the overall quality. All I'm asking is which is more beneficial to the audience of the reviewer.  "
Reviews should be subjective because what works for some people doesn't work for others.  You have to get people scores who didn't care and people who are fanboys to get a wide assortment of opinions so the person reading the reviews can make an informed decision.   "
I appreciate the insight. Sorry if I came off like a bit of an asshole
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No, I think the person who should review Madden is the one who hates videogame sports and real physical sports. The guy who reviews Dragon Age should be the guy who only places rhythm games. And the guy who reviews shooters should be the guy who only plays casual popcap games.
 
Also - of course you can predict the score ahead of time based on the person's attitude leading up to the release. Because chances are they have been doing interviews, watching interviews, pouring through press kits, and playing the actual game since well before the release date.
 
Also, I'm not sure what the point is. Halo Reach got  a four star review. As someone who pre-ordered the game, but isn't a huge Halo person by any means, that tells me "cool, I'll keep my pre-order and am looking forward to this". I don't expect it to blow my fucking mind, but I don't expect it to be a waste of my cash, either. What's the problem here? Is this more of that "IT ONLY GOT A 89 BUT SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN A 91!" stuff?

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@marlow83 said:
" @SethPhotopoulos said:
" @marlow83 said:
"      But, is that the best way to review a game? Should a spoken fan of the franchise review the game, because they will understand the gravity of the changes, or should someone who doesn’t care review the game, because they will be more willing to expose the game’s flaws?
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And every reviewer no matter what they're biases are should talk about the flaws. "
That's very true. But, you're talking about a perfect world where critics can objectively describe the game's flaws and their overall impact on the game. I'm saying that most reviewers will either ride the game's flaws off as not serious, or will consider them a more serious detriment to the overall quality. All I'm asking is which is more beneficial to the audience of the reviewer.  "
whats beneficial to the audience is entirely subjective, so i dont think theres a simple answer [if at all]
on a side note its very rare that i'll let a review or score carry weight when thinking about purchasing a game. last time i did was with inFamous, and was really disappointed with it. On the other hand, Lost Planet 2 was hated on by most reviewers and yet I had an absolute blast playing that with friends.
 
im sure star ratings/scores are great for people who just want some quick visual feedback but really i try to ignore them [as i generally think they hinder more than help]
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@TheLegendofLuke said:
" @marlow83: I did read the whole post. It just seemed like you were butthurt because a neutral (the kind of person who should be reviewing the game, IMO) didn't give it a perfect score.   I really don't see the discussion to be had here. "
You just answered my question. A more objective, apathetic in of person should review a game. That's all of the discussion there is. I just meant by my last comment that this does not specifically apply to the Halo: Reach reviews.  And you are right, I kinda come off as a dick in my post
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You might want to rethink your posts, because you come across as someone who complains about halo not getting a perfect score.  
 
Yes, It's an interesting question whether reviews should be targeted towards people who are or are not predisposed to like the game/genre. In my opinion, the first would be rather like preaching to the choir. So go with what you know about the reviewer. I disagree with Jeff about almost everything game related, but I am still interested in hearing what he has to say about a game. And I can form my own idea about something from his impressions.  
 
Reviews are not about confirming ones conviction, it's about another users impressions about a subject, so that you can make a more educated guess whether or not you will like it.
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Honestly i pay more attention to quick looks these days. Rarely even bother with the review i can make my own mind up from a QL most of the time.

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Don't you love thread titles that...

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@Vinchenzo:
...remind you of MAD-magazines from the 70-ties? Yes I do.
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It shouldn't really matter who reviews the game, as long as I know enough about their tastes to be able to make up my own conclusion. For example, in this case Jeff reviewed Halo Reach. I know that Jeff is somewhat similarly apathetic towards the release of the game as I am. I enjoy the halo games, but am not a super huge fan of them. Jeff seems to be somewhat similar. So I can take from Jeff's review that I'll feel similarly about the game as he does. If Drew reviewed the game, I know that he is a super huge Halo fan, so I know he'll be more positive about the game than I would be. Reviews are one person's opinions on the game, and it's all about knowing the reviewer and filtering their opinions of the game so they apply to you.