Halo is a shooter made by idiots, for idiots. Just like Call of Duty, but at least COD has set-pieces and multi-player that's playable.

@NekuSakuraba said:

@Sevan: Maybe people are tired that the franchises are adding nothing new with each game they charge us full price for? It needs to be the same genre but you are acting like if they improve or change the formula in which they use it is bad. Halo for example is getting milked without doing anything to improve the game or innovate the genre and are simply cash-ins.

Also, someone seems upset that people don't like Halo. So I gotta ask -

Halo changed pretty significantly with every iteration, even ODST. So it's a little silly to say it was milked. They made genuinely good games with new and exciting mechanics and features that kept each installment enjoyable and fresh, if familiar. CoD would be a much better example.

every iteration of Bungie's Halo has been the top played game on xbox over every other shooter (and game in general) out there for alt least 6 months. Also, every shooter has taken several major pointers from Halo and adopted them into their games. And with the exception of not allowing people to join mid-game, Halo's online is the most consistent out of all of them, with virtually no hacks or bugs in any of the games, and truly balanced gameplay.

Do people hating franchises you like stop you from enjoying the franchise? No. So move along and stop wasting your time. Spend more time enjoying the franchises you like instead of uselessly defending them on an internet forum. Very few people will change their opinion just because you say they should. If, however, you're looking for a discussion about this, I think that went out the window as soon as you called everyone who doesn't agree (franchise haters) stupid.

I don't think entitling "Why You're Stupid" is ever the way to go.  Also, who cares if someone doesn't like a franchise. I like Halo (the first more than the sequels admittedly) and I don't care if people talk smack about it; they can hate it as much as they want but the games are still critically acclaimed and sell like hotcakes.

It's a bit like that, except if there were 40 Burger Kings on every street, and they kept closing every other eatery to replace them with more Burger Kings, and nobody bothered running 5 Star Restaurants anymore because all anybody wanted to do was eat fucking Whoppers all day.

In short: Fuck off.

@NekuSakuraba said:

@Sevan: Maybe people are tired that the franchises are adding nothing new with each game they charge us full price for? It needs to be the same genre but you are acting like if they improve or change the formula in which they use it is bad. Halo for example is getting milked without doing anything to improve the game or innovate the genre and are simply cash-ins.

Also, someone seems upset that people don't like Halo. So I gotta ask -

Some franchises are milked yes. However, most people fail to realize that the developers love their game. That's why they took their conceptual ideas and spent three years making it into a game in the hope that others would like it too. Sequels are in part a service to the fans of that franchise who like the core mechanics for what they already are and a way for developers to continue making games they also enjoy. If developers can find a way to make money for creating games they love, more power to 'em.

In the case of Halo, which you site specifically, that franchise has made more leaps with each iteration than almost any other franchise to date. Halo: CE proved FPS could be done well on a console and laid the ground work for almost every console FPS after that. Halo 2 had a new engine and created one of the first matchmaking systems; every online console game since Halo 2 has used their systems near exactly. Halo 3 popularized replays and map making in console multiplayer. Calling Halo a cash in is completely ignorant. This ignorance coming from a guy with a fucking Square Enix game in his avatar.

Bungie STARTED this craze by making a good couple of games, and now everyone else is trying to make a quick buck copying their business model, and you blame Halo?  and finally, in short: Get your Fucking analogies in order before you tell someone to fuck off.

I thought it would be a thread about Call of Duty and a big post on why Treyarch are gods and everything they did is right down to the weapon balancing in Black Ops and how their maps are the pinnacle of multiplayer FPS design.

Instead it's a guy who white knighting his fave franchise. Which reminds me of this guy I ran into who was really enthusiastic about giving rim jobs

@Sevan said:

every iteration of Bungie's Halo has been the top played game on xbox over every other shooter (and game in general) out there for alt least 6 months. Also, every shooter has taken several major pointers from Halo and adopted them into their games. And with the exception of not allowing people to join mid-game, Halo's online is the most consistent out of all of them, with virtually no hacks or bugs in any of the games, and truly balanced gameplay.

@Sevan: No hacks in Halo? Really? I remember on Halo 2 I could join hacked and modded lobbies easily on the Xbox. In one game these guys were flying a Warthog around the map killing everyone.  Yea I played Halo. When I was in elementary school.   No shit really? I thought people who didn't like specific games always played them?   Why are you making threads about hating people who hate a franchise? You're doing the exact same thing. I will agree that someone who goes onto anything relating to a game they do not like and post stuff like "THIS GAME SUCKZ, THIS GAME IS BETTER LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO 8=======D" are immature and annoying. Except you're being "that" kind of person by making these threads which usually involve you defending Halo.

@Ygg said:

I don't like Halo anymore because the multiplayer and map design has gotten worse not better. They even removed being able to search for custom games/servers manually. I'm pretty sure Halo 2 had that on the Xbox so you could easily find people to play all sorts of custom games with. Now it's all matchmaking focused. Ew. 2 was the best Halo multiplayer experience. Dem maps. plus TF2 is king of online FPS right now.

Halo 2 didn't have custom game servers. Halo 2 and every subsequent Halo has had "player" matches, which are unranked games that you can narrow by game type.

@Twitchey said:

@Sevan said:

Bungie STARTED this craze by making a good couple of games, and now everyone else is trying to make a quick buck copying their business model, and you blame Halo? and finally, in short: Get your Fucking analogies in order before you tell someone to fuck off.

How did Bungie start the FPS genre? Halo: CE came out in 2001. The first Quake came out in 1996. 5 years before Halo. Also you have Doom amd Duke Nukem. Wolfenstein came out in 1992 also.
Saying Bungie started the rise in FPS is just fucking stupid. There is no nice way of saying it. You should have said "Bungie contributed to the rise of MULTIPLAYER FPS games".

You must admit though, every console game since Halo and Halo 2 has reused many of their core gameplay mechanics, such as regenerating health. Also, Sevan isn't saying that Bungie started the FPS, (although Marathon, Bungie's first FPS did come out in 1993) Sevan is trying to communicate that Bungie made it viable on consoles. See my post early for what they (Bungie) added to console matchmaking.

@Sevan said:

Bungie STARTED this craze by making a good couple of games, and now everyone else is trying to make a quick buck copying their business model, and you blame Halo?  and finally, in short: Get your Fucking analogies in order before you tell someone to fuck off.

How did Bungie start the FPS genre? Halo: CE came out in 2001. The first Quake came out in 1996. 5 years before Halo. Also you have Doom amd Duke Nukem. Wolfenstein came out in 1992 also. 
Saying Bungie started the rise in FPS is just fucking stupid. There is no nice way of saying it. You should have said "Bungie contributed to the rise of MULTIPLAYER FPS games".

@MentalDisruption said:

Do people hating franchises you like stop you from enjoying the franchise? No. So move along and stop wasting your time. Spend more time enjoying the franchises you like instead of uselessly defending them on an internet forum. Very few people will change their opinion just because you say they should. If, however, you're looking for a discussion about this, I think that went out the window as soon as you called everyone who doesn't agree (franchise haters) stupid.

i say again: there is a difference between not liking something and hating it. People who dont like Halo stay the hell out of my way. People who Hate on Halo buy it and jack up my games, troll every friendly discussion i have with others who share my opinion, and all around try to spoil my Halo-fun.
 difference.
 

@Twitchey said:

@Sevan: Here is some more back story on this. It wasn't a custom game. I searched for Team Slayer in the Matchmaking server for Halo 2. I joined a game on the map where it's all snowy and there are two bases on the different sides. These guys were flying their warthog the entire time. Also, I'm right in my comparison to you and the people you're criticizing. People bitch about a franchise you like, then you come onto a forum site and bitch about them bitching. Same shit, different person. Either way you're not fixing anything. People will still hate Halo and CoD because, now this may be hard for you but, they have the free will to hate these franchises.

@Sevan: Twitch is right Sevan, you can't change how people think of games at this stage. I blame games journalism for the most part because they perpetuate an image of what a "typical" Call of Duty or Halo player is, and it's never a positive portrait. It's also unfortunate that ignorance, such as Twitch's, will continue because they cannot appreciate what Halo 2 and Call of Duty 4 did for modern multiplayer gaming.

has there been much hate for halo though ive only seen the rise in hate for franchises since cods become the madden of fpses.  i think its deserved though cod does not update its engine or add anything really new. it did with cod4 but eversince that one great game its kinda hard to tell one from the other

@Sevan: Here is some more back story on this.   It wasn't a custom game. I searched for Team Slayer in the Matchmaking server for Halo 2. I joined a game on the map where it's all snowy and there are two bases on the different sides. These guys were flying their warthog the entire time.  Also,  I'm right in my comparison to you and the people you're criticizing. People bitch about a franchise you like, then you come onto a forum site and bitch about them bitching. Same shit, different person.  Either way you're not fixing anything. People will still hate Halo and CoD because, now this may be hard for you but, they have the free will to hate these franchises.

@LeetBalla said:

@NekuSakuraba said:

@Sevan: Maybe people are tired that the franchises are adding nothing new with each game they charge us full price for? It needs to be the same genre but you are acting like if they improve or change the formula in which they use it is bad. Halo for example is getting milked without doing anything to improve the game or innovate the genre and are simply cash-ins.

Also, someone seems upset that people don't like Halo. So I gotta ask -

Some franchises are milked yes. However, most people fail to realize that the developers love their game. That's why they took their conceptual ideas and spent three years making it into a game in the hope that others would like it too. Sequels are in part a service to the fans of that franchise who like the core mechanics for what they already are and a way for developers to continue making games they also enjoy. If developers can find a way to make money for creating games they love, more power to 'em.

In the case of Halo, which you site specifically, that franchise has made more leaps with each iteration than almost any other franchise to date. Halo: CE proved FPS could be done well on a console and laid the ground work for almost every console FPS after that. Halo 2 had a new engine and created one of the first matchmaking systems; every online console game since Halo 2 has used their systems near exactly. Halo 3 popularized replays and map making in console multiplayer. Calling Halo a cash in is completely ignorant. This ignorance coming from a guy with a fucking Square Enix game in his avatar.

Yeah, because Halo: ODST wasn't a cash in, Halo: Reach wasn't a cash in, Halo 4, 5 and 6 (another 3 games after the fight is finished?) won't be cash ins. You are ignorant if you think that having 8 Halo games isn't milking it that have the same base formula every time.

@Twitchey said:

@Sevan: Here is some more back story on this. It wasn't a custom game. I searched for Team Slayer in the Matchmaking server for Halo 2. I joined a game on the map where it's all snowy and there are two bases on the different sides. These guys were flying their warthog the entire time. Also, I'm right in my comparison to you and the people you're criticizing. People bitch about a franchise you like, then you come onto a forum site and bitch about them bitching. Same shit, different person. Either way you're not fixing anything. People will still hate Halo and CoD because, now this may be hard for you but, they have the free will to hate these franchises.

@Sevan: Twitch is right Sevan, you can't change how people think of games at this stage. I blame games journalism for the most part because they perpetuate an image of what a "typical" Call of Duty or Halo player is, and it's never a positive portrait. It's also unfortunate that ignorance, such as Twitch's, will continue because they cannot appreciate what Halo 2 and Call of Duty 4 did for modern multiplayer gaming.

@NekuSakuraba: I might agree with ODST, but you will actually have to construct an argument to win me over. Reach however was a huge change for the series in terms of online play and some games journalist regard it as the best Halo campaign after Halo CE. The Multiplayer engine in Reach is widely different from that of the previous games. I actually fell out of Halo because I felt as though Reach tried too hard to bridge a gap between the ease of play found in CoD and the more competitive style Halo maintained in it's previous games. Also Reach had a lot of new features not found in previous Halo games.

To another point, you don't know what is in store for Halo 4. You are not in position to even construct an argument for why Halo 4 is or isn't a "cash in" because no one outside of 343 has even played the fucking game. I really don't even know what point you are trying to get across, please clarify with an actual argument next time.

calling people stupid for having a different opinion than you.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem.  Classic way to loose an argument before you even begin.  And make yourself look stupid.

@Sevan I couldn't care less what sign is hanging outside the door, because inside they're all selling the same bland, tasteless shit. Our city, Gamingville, has been completely overrun with cheap burger joints to the near exclusion of everything else. I didn't know you were even talking about Halo specifically until you went back and changed your op. Halo didn't start shit apart from taking FPS, making it fucking boring and making it available to the masses. If that makes it responsible for all of these burger places everywhere then fuck Halo too.

@Jimbo said:

@Sevan I couldn't care less what sign is hanging outside the door, because inside they're all selling the same bland, tasteless shit. Our city, Gamingville, has been completely overrun with cheap burger joints to the near exclusion of everything else. I didn't know you were even talking about Halo specifically until you went back and changed your op. Halo didn't start shit apart from taking FPS, making it fucking boring and making it available to the masses. If that makes it responsible for all of these burger places everywhere then fuck Halo too.

I think you need to calm down.

@Jimbo said:

@Sevan I couldn't care less what sign is hanging outside the door, because inside they're all selling the same bland, tasteless shit. Our city, Gamingville, has been completely overrun with cheap burger joints to the near exclusion of everything else. I didn't know you were even talking about Halo specifically until you went back and changed your op. Halo didn't start shit apart from taking FPS, making it fucking boring and making it available to the masses. If that makes it responsible for all of these burger places everywhere then fuck Halo too.

I think you need to calm down.

You really shouldn't give a shit what other people are thinking about the games you like.

@project343 said:

I bought Shadows of the Damned just to give Grasshopper Manufacture money--because they do new and crazy things. And I try to avoid paying Activision money--even if it involves doing slightly illegal things. They should not be rewarded for running on a brand name and millions upon millions of advertising dollars.

I do the exact same thing, although I try to avoid doing slightly illegal things. I loved SotD, but I don't think it was worth full price, but since the money went to a developer that dares to stay away from the norm it was worth it for me(and maybe there will be a sequel :3 )

@Twitchey said:

@Sevan: Here is some more back story on this. It wasn't a custom game. I searched for Team Slayer in the Matchmaking server for Halo 2. I joined a game on the map where it's all snowy and there are two bases on the different sides. These guys were flying their warthog the entire time. Also, I'm right in my comparison to you and the people you're criticizing. People bitch about a franchise you like, then you come onto a forum site and bitch about them bitching. Same shit, different person. Either way you're not fixing anything. People will still hate Halo and CoD because, now this may be hard for you but, they have the free will to hate these franchises.

@Sevan: Twitch is right Sevan, you can't change how people think of games at this stage. I blame games journalism for the most part because they perpetuate an image of what a "typical" Call of Duty or Halo player is, and it's never a positive portrait. It's also unfortunate that ignorance, such as Twitch's, will continue because they cannot appreciate what Halo 2 and Call of Duty 4 did for modern multiplayer gaming.

@Sevan:  I honestly do not know why I decided to argue with "the smartest" Halo fanboy there is. So I'm done here. Let's agree to disagree, you keep playing generic FPS like Halo and CoD and I'll play a good FPS like Battlefield.

I'm not quite sure which group is more annoying, Halo fanboys or Halo haters. I'd have to go with Halo fanboys such as the OP. Really, there's no point in bashing Halo, it's just too easy. I don't have a dog in this fight, really I don't. But Halo isn't anything special in hindsight, strictly in terms of gameplay. I was serious when I said that CE was the best of the series before Reach was released. I tried to like H2 & H3, but gameplay enhancements need more than just adding dual-wielding weapons. Unfortunately, Bungie got so lost in cosmetic changes and plot that actual gameplay and level design were put on the backburner. That shouldn't happen in a shooter where gameplay is everything.

You are very rude

Guy with Halo avatar makes thread bitching about people who don't like Halo. Film at 11.

I don't like Halo anymore because the multiplayer and map design has gotten worse not better.   They even removed being able to search for custom games/servers manually. I'm pretty sure Halo 2 had that on the Xbox so you could easily find people to play all sorts of custom games with. Now it's all matchmaking focused. Ew.  2 was the best Halo multiplayer experience. Dem maps.  plus TF2 is king of online FPS right now.

@Twitchey said:

@LeetBalla said:

@Twitchey said:

@Sevan: Here is some more back story on this. It wasn't a custom game. I searched for Team Slayer in the Matchmaking server for Halo 2. I joined a game on the map where it's all snowy and there are two bases on the different sides. These guys were flying their warthog the entire time. Also, I'm right in my comparison to you and the people you're criticizing. People bitch about a franchise you like, then you come onto a forum site and bitch about them bitching. Same shit, different person. Either way you're not fixing anything. People will still hate Halo and CoD because, now this may be hard for you but, they have the free will to hate these franchises.

@Sevan: Twitch is right Sevan, you can't change how people think of games at this stage. I blame games journalism for the most part because they perpetuate an image of what a "typical" Call of Duty or Halo player is, and it's never a positive portrait. It's also unfortunate that ignorance, such as Twitch's, will continue because they cannot appreciate what Halo 2 and Call of Duty 4 did for modern multiplayer gaming.

I completely agree with you on the part of CoD 4 and Halo 2 helping multiplayer. I understand that these games helped pave the way for every modern FPS multiplayer game.


@Sevan: I honestly do not know why I decided to argue with "the smartest" Halo fanboy there is. So I'm done here. Let's agree to disagree, you keep playing generic FPS like Halo and CoD and I'll play a good FPS like Battlefield.

This seems like a weird way to call a truce. "I respect your stupid opinion, let me show you my clearly superior taste. Also you smell."

The only thing fun about Halo for me is playing multiplayer with friends. Used to go to an old friends house to have a Halo LAN party since it was his birthday with tons of other people. I haven't personally bought Halo or played the story modes for them so who knows maybe I like Halo for that aswell as the multiplayer. This thread is about how Halo is the best game franchise ever right? 
 
Being serious though, just because people hate a franchise doesn't mean they're stupid, I'll say that whether you're a troll or not. There could be stupid reasons why people hate a franchise but who gives a shit, play the damn game and enjoy it for yourself, some dudes opinion isn't going to destroy the franchise. I think.

You know what I hate? People saying "This is america" on the internet.

halo sux.

@ahaisthisourchance said:

@project343 said:

I bought Shadows of the Damned just to give Grasshopper Manufacture money--because they do new and crazy things. And I try to avoid paying Activision money--even if it involves doing slightly illegal things. They should not be rewarded for running on a brand name and millions upon millions of advertising dollars.

I do the exact same thing, although I try to avoid doing slightly illegal things. I loved SotD, but I don't think it was worth full price, but since the money went to a developer that dares to stay away from the norm it was worth it for me(and maybe there will be a sequel :3 )

I completely hate this mindset. You don't owe a developer shit. It's their job to make a product worth the asking price and your time. Call of Duty, even though I personally don't buy it, has captured millions of fans and they should be rewarded for doing so. Also, if a game developer can find a way to keep making games they love, more power to them.

As for the rest of us elitist internet assholes who like to sit around and judge other games and publishers, to what end? The fans of that franchise love getting new games every year. Also, Shadows of the damned is still a game about shooting dudes in the face -- straying from the norm indeed.

At least you didn't title it : Why Your Stpid
 
thank god

You know what I hate? People saying "This is america" on the internet.

Butt hurt?

Closing this due to lack of discussion value, stupid flame bait thread title, and general fanboyism all around. Take it to system wars or some other site where this sort of thing will be more appreciated.